Funny thing. I left Oz in 1989 having lived there or thereabouts for some 20 years. I recall some nutter suggesting that we dragged icebergs up from the South Pole to top up the water scarcity of the perennial Oz water shortage. I also recall the fact(?) that the first hole in the ozone layer (whatever happened to that?) was over Oz, and as Oz is not/was not a great industrial nation with a small population spread over a huge amount of land the argument moved to agriculture, where Oz is a major player. Suggestion - cows burping and farting was the answer. Apparently cows fart about 200 time per day - there's a thought? We are surrounded by herds here, and it can get a bit whiffy on a hot day - but then again so can I? Keep yourselves nice! Australia they say was built on the back of the sheep, and the big problem with sheep is that they are root grazers - i.e. they pull grass up by the roots, which is one reason why the land is exhausted there. NB - Kangaroos are surface grazers, more brains and indigenous to boot! So humans at fault? Cows and sheep are not indigenous to Oz, men messed it up again. Ditto land clearance, ripping out trees by the roots and raising the salt levels - messing up the land again. So does Nature take revenge - very probably. My major problem though is this. What is the difference between a Climatologist and a Meteorologist? 'She Who MustBe Obeyed'and 'moi-meme' have done a check on the latter via the weather forecasts on television here. They are upwards of 60% incorrect - ALL the time! That does not stop them, from farcically doing projections for the next five days, which are so wrong as to be hopeless. We have worked it out that by taking a completely opposite view from these 'experts' that we are right 60% of the time. Wonder why I have a problem with Experts? Incidentally the definition of an expert is this - 'X is an unkniown factor, whilst 'spurt' is a drip under pressure!' Final little homily from a renowned English Professor whose name I have forgotten "despite whatever advances we make, whatever medical miracles we perform, the mortality rate stays at EXACTLY 100%" Dooby, dooby-do! Norm

Dear friends.

I have read all the posts here. Though I don't agree in most of the cases, this is a nice and friendly exchange of opinions. To make this discussion more balanced I give you latest reports from the United Nations.

LATEST NEW FROM UNITED NATIONS.

UN chief urges immediate climate action By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent
1 hour, 5 minutes ago

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told an unprecedented summit on climate change Monday that "the time for doubt has passed" and a breakthrough is needed in global talks to sharply reduce emissions of global-warming gases.

"The U.N. climate process is the appropriate forum for negotiating global action," Ban told assembled presidents and premiers, an apparent caution against what some see as a U.S. effort to open a separate negotiating track.

The U.N. chief also addressed a chief U.S. objection to negotiated limits on greenhouse-gas emissions, that it will be too damaging to the American economy.

"Inaction now will prove the costliest action of all in the long term," Ban said.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, another speaker opening the summit, told the international delegates U.S. states are taking action.

While Bush administration has resisted emissions caps, California's Republican governor and Democrat-led legislature have approved a law requiring the state's industries to reduce greenhouse gases by an estimated 25 percent by 2020. Other U.S. states, in various ways, are moving to follow California's lead.

"California is moving the United States beyond debate and doubt to action," Schwarzenegger said. "What we are doing is changing the dynamic."

The one-day meeting, with more than 80 national leaders among some 150 participants, also was scheduled to hear from Al Gore and international figures including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and France's President Nicolas Sarkozy.

U.N. chief Ban organized the summit to build political momentum toward launching negotiations later this year for deep cutbacks in emissions of carbon dioxide and other manmade gases blamed for global warming.

President Bush, who has long opposed such negotiated limits on "greenhouse gases," wasn't participating in the day's meetings but was to attend a small dinner Monday evening, a gathering of key players hosted by Ban.

Rather than accept treaty obligations, Bush has urged industry to cut emissions voluntarily, and emphasizes research on clean-energy technology as one answer. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, leading the U.S. delegation, was to address a technology session at Monday's conference.

On Thursday and Friday, Bush will host his own two-day climate meeting, limited to 16 "major emitter" countries. It's the first in a series of U.S.-sponsored climate gatherings.

Many environmentalists fear the separate U.S. "track," which will involve China and India, may undercut the global U.N. negotiating process. But some hope it eventually helps draw those two big developing nations and others into a new, U.N.-negotiated emissions regime.

This first-ever U.N. climate summit looked ahead to December's annual climate treaty conference in Bali, Indonesia, when the Europeans, Japanese and others hope to initiate talks for an emissions-reduction agreement to succeed the Kyoto Protocol in 2012.

The 1997 Kyoto pact, which the U.S. rejects, requires 36 industrial nations to reduce heat-trapping gases emitted by power plants and other industrial, agricultural and transportation sources by an average 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

Advocates say a breakthrough is needed at Bali — almost certainly requiring a change in the U.S. position — to ensure an uninterrupted transition from Kyoto to a new, deeper-cutting regime.

To try to spur global negotiations, the European Union has committed to reduce emissions by at least an additional 20 percent by 2020.

Bush has objected that Kyoto-style mandates would damage the U.S. economy, and says they should have been imposed on fast-growing poorer countries, such as China and India, as well as on developed nations.

The U.N. summit follows a series of reports by a U.N. scientific network that warned of temperatures rising by several degrees Fahrenheit by 2100 and of a drastically changed planet from rising seas, drought and other factors, unless nations rein in greenhouse gases.

The U.N.-sponsored scientists reported global average temperatures over the past 100 years rose 1.3 degrees, and the planet's sea levels rose 6.6 inches, as oceans expanded from warmth and from the runoff of melting land ice.

Just last week, U.S. scientists reported that warmer temperatures this summer had shrunk the Arctic Ocean's ice cap to a record-low size.

HERE IS ANOTHER REPORT
Also from The UNITED NATIONS  Today

These both reports find are close to my opinion on Global Warming.
I will not commend them since I am not an expert but I want you all to have a idea of what is going on.

Future generations will judge us on climate change:
UN chief by Richard Ingham:  30 minutes ago
 


UN chief Ban Ki-moon, opening a landmark summit on climate change, warned world leaders Monday they face condemnation by future generations if they fail to tackle greenhouse-gas pollution.

"Climate change, and what we do about it, will define us, our era, and ultimately the global legacy we leave for future generations," the secretary general said.

He demanded a breakthrough at a key conference taking place in Bali, Indonesia, in December.

"The time for doubt has passed," said Ban, as he noted the grim 4th assessment on climate change by the United Nations' top scientific panel this year.

"If we do not act now, the impact of climate change will be devastating," he added. "We have affordable measures and technologies to begin addressing the problem right now. What we do not have is time."

The exceptional one-day summit entitled "The Future in Our Hands: Addressing the Leadership Challenge of Climate Change," gathered around 150 nations, some 80 of them at the level of head of state or government.

It aimed to break the deadlock in efforts to deepen cuts in emissions of greenhouse gases, which trap heat from the sun and are inflicting damaging change to Earth's climate system.

Ban said that, if as scientists have indicated, global emissions are to peak within the next 10 to 15 years to keep warming to a tolerable level, "all sectors will need to be engaged," at the political level, by business, technology and finance.

He said the December 3-14 UN conference on global warming in Bali, Indonesia, has to set the stage for a comprehensive agreement for deepening and accelerating action from 2012, when the first phase of the Kyoto Protocol runs out.

"Our goal must be nothing short of a real breakthrough in Bali," he declared.

Industrialised countries should show "enhanced leadership" on reducing their own emissions, and developing countries should have incentives to tackle their own pollution, "but without sacrificing economic growth or poverty reduction," said Ban.

The chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Rajendra Pachauri, gave a brief summary of the 4th assessment report.

Glaciers and Arctic sea ice were retreating rapidly and "major precipitation changes" -- droughts and floods -- were occurring.

On present trends, hundreds of millions of people faced worsening water scarcity as a result of glacier loss in the Himalayas, which fed key rivers in China and South Asia. Water scarcity would affect the growing of key crops.

"Climate change is accelerating," he said.

Tackling the problem swiftly though would keep the bill to a manageable level, but the cost will rise in line with the global temperature, he said.

To keep within range of the 2.0 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) goal would cost less than three percent of the gross domestic product by 2030, he said.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, the world's seventh largest economy, spelled out the possibilities for tackling greenhouse gases at the local level and with the help of business.

In California, "something remarkable is beginning to stir -- something revolutionary, something historic and transformative," he said.

Schwarzenegger pointed to the state's actions on emissions and low-carbon fuel standards, and the actions of its famously dynamic entrepreneurs who were seizing the opportunity to make money from the carbon cleanup.

"Last year alone, California received more than 1.1 billion dollars in clean tech investment," said Schwarzenegger. "This amount is expected to grow 20-30 percent a year for a decade."

Ban was later to present a summary of conclusions, following this with a dinner gathering representatives from the world's biggest carbon polluters.

On Thursday and Friday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will host a meeting in Washington of the world's 16 biggest polluters, plus representatives the European Union (EU) and the United Nations.

yeah.. I also wonder about the whole 2012 thingy and our climate since the whole solar system is effected, not just earth.

I see Dave still has the hot topics.

According to all inforamtion in this forum THE SCIENTISTS state what Dave and many friends support.

Al Gore and UNITED NATIONS,  the highest organization in the world, are saying the opposite.

The very special NOBLE PRIZE COMMITTEE will in 48 hand over the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE to Al Gore. are the wrong?

Is anyone lying to us. Are YOUR FACS correct. THere is amy links now on how many scientists and experts for very strong companies, paying them to give out a False Alarm.

WHO ARE THE EXPERTS ND THE SCIENTIST behind the myth behind Globan Warming. Shall we trust them or UN?

THE NOBEL AWARD COMMITTEE. The best award in the word today Will hand over the PRIZE to Al GORE for excatly the opposite.

WHO IS TELLING US THE TRUTH! The supporters of the myth supported by President Bush or The Nobel Comittee who hads over the Prize of PEACE to Al Gore an UN's work on Global Warming reseach?

International HERALD TRIBUNE

Al Gore and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are certainly worthy of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Coming from different directions, they have done a remarkable job of calling the world's attention to what Gore rightly calls "a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity." A lot of people will also see this as a serious slap to the Bush administration. They'll be right.

The whole article: (link)

Not one not two 11 million BLOGGERS say you are lying

The AGI Aticle (copy below)


(AGI) - Oslo, Oct 12 - The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to the former vice president of the USA, Al Gore, and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The Nobel Committee announced this from Oslo. Al Gore and the IPCC, presided by the Indian Rajendra Pachauri, have been awarded for their "efforts in spreading knowledge on the impact of climate change, and for proposing measures necessary to contain the negative effects". Al Gore, vice president under Bill Clinton and failing to make president himself in 2000, this way has his "revenge" as champion of climate protection, also winning an Oscar in 2006 for his documentary "An inconvenient truth". The IPCC is a UN commission with 3000 scientists, including oceanographers, specialists in atmosphere, glaciers, economists; the commission is considered the highest scientific authority on global warming and its environmental impact.

Georgios