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Shameless Plugs is the reason we do this. Let's be brutally honest here. If we didn't think it would pay off for us in the end, would you still do it? Every mentor, good ones I've ever had cost me something, not always money, but something.

That aside we do it to help ourselves help others( I forgot to finish this sentence) help themselves help others. (sorry for slow fingers and quick thought process). Plain and simple. I hope.

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This is an interesting line of discussion! It has actually gone in a direction I was not considering.

This being a community board, I think the main purpose is sharing business/advertising ideas and building relationships. If that is the case, then our focus should be on helping and sharing our experience with new people/members, not creating a link back to our own program.

I personally do not expect to "personally get anything out of this" other than the satisfaction knowing I helped someone get off to a good start. Much like I did when I started back in the 90's.

I still believe success in our type of business requires building relationships first not building fancy sales pitches. I think, for the long term, success requires both online and offline efforts. And long term success is not found in a money game, ponzi scheme or matrix program ($10 gets you $98,455).

I believe a newbie has a better probability of success by focusing on finding a good sponsor verses a hot, new program. That is a reason why I wrote the "Worthless Sponsor" series of articles (shameless plug).

Hello All, I've been reading some of these posts, and it all has me somewhat concerned... Programs come and go, and unless you and I know who the owner/owners are of each program and how they operate, can we really determine whether the program is going to be a success or not until it's been around for two years or more? Let's not lose sight of what the real reason Adland/Adlanders are here for... is it to show others our business opportunity, or is it to make friends and learn to trust people, and then sell our business opportunity? Are we to be the judge? Each person has to make their own choice, and they will, primarily of course upon their knowledge and experience level, in any business for that matter.

I read a statement just yesterday that says it all. "People join people... Not business opportunites." Hence, the evolvement of social networks and socializing.

Thank You

I believe that this constructive discussion went from being constructive to pass on some kind of judgement on those who actually are building an ethical business to help others and this isn´t unusual on AdlandPro.Suddenly those come in after a while in the discussion to be the judge over what others are doing.I don´t think we are going to achieve anything without the long term perspective online.So, I agree on some points you have mentioned here James but this discussion was more constructive in the beginning.Let´s respect also those who actually succeed in what they are achieving in the internet business or else we aren´t going anywhere in those discussions.I want so many to succeed as possible but there will always be those who don´t put in their efforts to be better.Learn and help each other so much as possible and keep it ethical!

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Hello All, I've been reading some of these posts, and it all has me somewhat concerned... Programs come and go, and unless you and I know who the owner/owners are of each program and how they operate, can we really determine whether the program is going to be a success or not until it's been around for two years or more? Let's not lose sight of what the real reason Adland/Adlanders are here for... is it to show others our business opportunity, or is it to make friends and learn to trust people, and then sell our business opportunity? Are we to be the judge? Each person has to make their own choice, and they will, primarily of course upon their knowledge and experience level, in any business for that matter.

I read a statement just yesterday that says it all. "People join people... Not business opportunites." Hence, the evolvement of social networks and socializing.

Isn´t this Mark what we have warned for in our discussion? You are advertising here in a forum where we are discussing how to raise the ethical standard on AdlandPro.This is a typical example why we are having discussions about a list of proven opportunities that are more long term and where the admin is honest and where he honestly communicates with his members.Get into reality now!

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