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Hi Luis,

This is so in depth and thorough. I am as impressed with your research as I am your remarkable gift for writing. Good writing is all forms that conveys the original intent and information to the reader.

With religion, there is always in ancient texts and scripts the intimation that there was a beginning, thus implies not only that religion was created but also part created by man and part created by the knowing of a higher state of being than just the human animal. That is to say there is a knowing even in the most deteriorated societies that there is another aspect of the human that needs a new medium of expression.

Of course our history spans 3800 b.c. to the present. Research has proved that there is a hint of a parent civilization that is much older. There is talk among exo-historians and archaeologists that we may even be looking at 50,000 year old advanced civilizations.

Now here is a reason for the symbols to be so alike in their nature and design.

Love and Blessings,

Robert

Fascinating Luis.

Here's really hoping you are

You are much too nice to be sick.

Love,

Sara

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Here's really hoping you are

You are much too nice to be sick.

Love,

Sara

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I agree with Einstein and he says it better than I could, but, I'm still a Christian because of my personal experience of spiritual things and I have a feeling of being nutured which science alone cannot offer to me.

Fascinating Luis.

Roger

Hello Roger,

You are of course right. I agree science alone cannot offer all that your spiritual soul mainly aspires to, i.e. spiritual nutrition. My experience is also that of the Christian faith, only at a given point in my life I found it difficult to believe in certain things like eternal condemnation and the like. That is how I learned about cosmic cycles and ages, successive lives, and other profound truths in books like Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu and Buddhist scriptures. The next thing I found was, even in the Gospels and the Old Testament they are hinted at.

If I have started this section with the presentation of a purely scientific view (that is, from "official" science) is for comparative purposes mainly, but also to see how it fits with the rest of the material offered. As I have said elsewhere in this forum, I am going to try to present all of it as in as spontaneous as possible a way.

Thank you for your important contribution at this early stage.

Best Wishes,

Luis Miguel Goitizolo

Hi Luis and Roger,

I have to admit that reading all of what Einstein wrote was more than I could do today!
But... from what I perused and your comments... I think my comment fits in...

I've always wondered what a person raised to be good, but without any knowlege of any religion, would be like. I had a friend as a child who was much like me. Her parents didn't belong to any church. I knew my mother had been a loving and gracious Christian woman and I had her Bible and had begun reading it by the age of eight years old... But my friend who was also loving and gracious had really no concept of religion.

It would be near impossible to raise and educate a person in our culture without there being an examination of religion because of the world's history and philosophy... it is hard to imagine...

But, assuming one could raise someone with no knowlege of religion(s) or what we call spirituality... Then ... what would the so-called 'god part of the brain' do when stimulated?
(Matthew Alper's book which suggests that "humans are innately hard-
What imaginings or responses would there be? The person who knew naught of religion would have experienced nature and the beauty of the world, the sorrows the exhilaration of life. The connection to the world and nature that is what some consider a spiritual connection would be experienced in maybe a more fundamental way (fundamental as the word actually means and not describing a religion as fundamental) and the so called 'god-part of the brain' would have to respond to a different set of life-long learnings and perceptions.

I've heard of anthropological studies of peoples who had no god, burial rites or any indication that they had a religion as the Western thought percieves it (William Durant ? wrote of this?)

I may be getting at how our language influences how we perceive the world about us and to have religion one must also have the words/language for this.

So, if one were raised with no language pertaining to religion... how could they have a god-part of the brain?

I can't recall how they stimulate that part of the brain. But it invokes visions and generally reactions relating to ones understandings of their personal beliefs or understandings.

So, would one without religion have a transcendental experience of nature and the world-at-large as they perceive it?

Would say, a medium, one who is in touch with the other-side have a new gateway to their friends on the other-side?

or is it that, because this can be caused by science, it is a part of the brain that processes what is truly not known or meant to be known in an empirical way ... but it is what makes some sort of sense out of the unknown for humanity as part of our evolutionary necessity to survive?

So ... back to a person with no perceptions or knowledge of religion or spirituality...

would this show that there is no such thing as god or spirituality?
that it is a learned behavior?