Transcript: Sheldan Nidle on The Light Agenda – Part 1/2

This is Part 1 of my interview with author and Galactic messenger Sheldan Nidle on The Light Agenda from August 9, 2012. Thanks to Ellen for the transcript.

Sheldan first went public with the messages he received from his Sirian star brothers and sisters in 1992. He has since written several books, including You Are Becoming A Galactic Human, and continues to share his messages with us every week and host monthly webinars. We talk about Sheldan’s childhood, family and what lies ahead with regards Ascension, Disclosure and December 21 – and more..

You can listen to the full The Light Agenda interview here:http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio/2012/08/09/the-light-agenda

Stephen Cook: My wonderful guest today knows a great deal about our star brothers and sisters. And yes, we, too, will be talking about Disclosure today.

Sheldan Nidle is one of the pioneers of galactic messages. He is a representative and lecturer for the Galactic Federation of Light, and he has now been bringing us direct communications from the Federation since 1992.

And in fact Sheldan has been meeting, conversing and sharing with the Federation and his own personal guide Washta and traveling back and forth between Federation ships for almost all his life.

He set up the Planetary Activation Organization in 1997, and he has written several books, including one of the first books I ever read, called You Are Becoming a Galactic Human. I can highly recommend this book to any one of you who would like to know the real history of our planet and our race’s origins.

And, no, the Darwinian theory of evolution is not in there.

Now, Sheldan has also written three other books: Your First Contact; Selamat Ja — A Handbook for Galactic Humans, and Your Galactic Neighbors.

He continues to post his weekly message from the Federation and has made words like dratzo and selamat ja part of our many of us lightworkers’ vocabularies, and he also continues to host his monthly webinars on a variety of subjects and topics. And this month — incredibly timely, of course — he will be covering preparing for Disclosure.

Now, what you might not know about Sheldan are the things we’re also going to be discussing today, including his life, his childhood, his degree in political science, his role in scientific programming and free energy, and his fascination with the man who brought free energy to Earth, Nikola Tesla, which also resulted in him making a documentary about Tesla.

Sheldan Nidle, I think that’s the longest intro I’ve ever done on the Light Agenda! What a life! And welcome, and thank you so much for joining us today.

Sheldan Nidle: And I am very glad to be here, Stephen. I’m sure we’re going to have a fun time together.

SC: Oh, I hope so! We always have fun! [laugh] Now, you have been front and center for 20 years now, and you are still every week keeping us abreast of the latest information and the situations. What keeps you going?

SN: I’m here to do certain things, and one of them is to prepare the planet for contact. And so as long as that is up there, and on schedule, here I be.

SC: Does that mean you’re going to be out of a job when first contact’s made? [laugh]

SN: They said I’m going to be doing something else. So, I don’t know what that quite is yet, but I suppose as we get closer to the actual event, I will find out exactly what that is. But right now I can say I have concepts, but I don’t know what really is really it, because you might say my new orders haven’t been published in front of my face yet.

SC: Okay. It’s been your lifelong mission. Do you love what you do?

SN: Well, it’s been all-consuming, and I’ve been doing this. So this, to me, is kind of like what I’ve been doing. People can say, “Well, what do you do?” and I’ll say, “I do this, because that’s what I do,” so…

SC: But, okay, so, so, it’s not just that you love it, it’s kind of like, well, this is my job.

SN: This is my job, and I have a passion for it. It’s very fascinating. Of course, it gives me a very odd kind of life, but I just … it’s me. It’s become me.

SC: Okay. Now, unlike many messengers and channelers, you’re not sitting there trancing. You’re not being asked to take dictation. The messages that you share with all of us have, and always have been, actual conversations where you’re involved with I think it’s a committee of around about 20 members of the Galactic Federation. And you’re, like, in a meeting, and then they tell you bits and pieces of what they all wish to share. So, is that how it works?

SN: Right. They all pick up what they want to do in certain paragraphs, and then they come on and tell me those things. Because that’s my job. I’m the messenger. So, my job is to take the dictation as best as I can, and of course they did pick a guy who was just a hunt and peck typer. I’m just a one finger — a one finger magician with the keys.

SC: [laugh]

SN: So, I’m always looking down at the keyboard, unlike people who are trained typists who can actually see what they’re doing.

SC: But in taking that — all right, we said it wasn’t dictation because they’re actually conversing with you, but when you’re sitting there is it really difficult because you’ve got 20 people speaking to you at the same time?

SN: Well, we’ve learned how to work out the general concepts of an etiquette for how it’s done. So, because of that, it’s not that difficult. But yes, we are constantly … as I’m typing we are constantly carrying on a conversation, because I’ll be asking questions about what that one person or a couple of people are talking about. So, and they’ll all be … they sometimes complain to me a little bit, saying, “You’re a little too slow,” or I talk too much…. [laugh]

SC: [laugh] So they tell you to shut up, do they?

SN: No, they don’t. They do it in a nice and kind way. They don’t say it that way. They just say, will say things like, “Well, I’m going to go over it again for the second time. Now, please, keep your attention on what I’m saying…” because they can see what I’m doing. I mean, they … they do what the computer does, which is correct words, but they also correct the syntax and everything, so…

SC: Oh, well, that’s good.

SN: It’s interesting. Sometimes I’ll be writing and I’ll stop for a second, and I’ll see the screen changing. So it’s kind of an odd thing. But I’m — I’m used to that. That doesn’t freak me out either. I just keep going. So, I’m used to it.

SC: So, with that committee of 20, do you know who they all are? Are they regulars?

SN: No, they change every week.

SC: Okay. So, do you get to see them at all? Are you, like, when …

SN: Right.

SC: Yeah?

SN: Well, with the, with the system they’ve set up with me, I have the equivalent of like a 3D conference call in my head. So I have like the equivalent in my head of a 3D video phone. So I hear them crystal clear, I see them crystal clear, and in fact in 3D. So I don’t just see them like you do on these computers, I don’t just see them as a flat thing, I see them as real people, with depth.

SC: Wow. And what do they look like?

SN: Big humans.

SC: Okay.

SN: All of them are…. They usually are dressed in different color jumpsuits, but the Galactic Federation sets it up that each star nation has a different color. They all have different pastels or dark colors. And they’re … it’s like I said, they’re mostly in jumpsuits, and they just … they sit there and we converse. Because they’re used to using … telepathic communications, I guess would be the best way to say it. As … because they’ve been doing it since they were born. So to them it’s no new, unique thing.

And, so, that’s what we do. I tend to talk aloud more than they do. They … matter of fact, sometimes they will ask me to not speak that way, to just be quiet and just talk in their head. Because they can pick it up either way, but they would prefer it that way because they’re more used to that form of communication. So, we go back and forth with that. So a lot of times I’m not saying anything except in my head. Other times I’m speaking.

I like to … I’ve learned since I was a kid to speak aloud. So, people maybe think kind of weird, when they watch me doing this, this stuff. They probably say, well, he’s typing and he’s talking to somebody, and I don’t see anybody. [laugh]

SC: So, I guess it…. That’s no different to any of us walking down the street on our mobile phone, I might add. [laugh]

SN: Oh, no. It’s not.

SC: And you just said they’re in pastel colors. That surprises me. Because I would have thought everybody was in very bright colors.

SN: They’re … they’re from … they go from a very bright blue to a very pastel light blue, to all different colors like that.

SC: Wow. Okay. Now… Sorry?

SN: It’s very, very colorful. I mean, if you look … if you were to see them like I do, you would see, wow, this is really a complete spectrum of colors.

SC: So it’s like a rainbow?

SN: Yes, it is.

SC: Wow. So, when you’ve been writing your books as well, though, have they been there as a committee assisting you when you’re actually sitting there writing?

SN: They come in and they help me with it, yes.

SC: Um-hmm?

SN: In fact, that’s how I … how I do these particular things. I, when I was doing chapters it would be on a certain subject, so I would have them come in and they would narrate it for me. So I would start just doing the same process we were just talking about. They come in, they give it to me as one sentence, three, four sentences, whatever, paragraph, and we keep going that way.

SC: And I suppose when you’re writing the book you have access to the particular expert who’s … within that topic that you’re actually penning that chapter about?

SN: Like, they will have … if I’m talking a certain thing, or talking about a certain thing in that book, that chapter, for instance, or that paragraph in that chapter, or that section, the person who they have decided to be the in-house expert on this particular subject is there to do the narration.

SC: Wow. I’m so envious that you have access to this incredible and direct communication!

SN: Well, it’s something that to me is like, you know, it’s normal. It’s not something that seems odd…. In the beginning it may have to me, but that was so long ago that I just … this … like I said at the beginning, this is what I do. I’m the person in charge of being the messenger, and this is, this is what I do. So…

SC: Well, when you first wrote You Are Becoming a Galactic Human, you talked about our true history. And I have to say when I read that, while it totally was the opposite of everything I’d ever been taught at school or anything I’ve ever read, in, you know, encyclopedias or whatever, or anything I’ve ever seen on TV, it rang true for me. And I thought, I remember thinking to myself, oh, my gosh! We’ve really been lied to all this time!

SN: What we have to begin to understand is that all the stuff that you may have heard in biology or anthropology or anything related to that is wrong. We did not evolve as from primitive apes all the way up to these advanced, sentient beings that we are today; we actually evolved on another world, which is a planet in Vega, which is a star that’s roughly about 25 light years away from us. Vega is a part of another system which is called in English the Harp.

And so what happened was we moved out of that into other systems. The first one to be colonized, with the permission of the local hierarchies in that area, was Sirius, which is a multi-star system. Sirius A is the bright big blue star that everybody sees. Around it are a bunch of smaller stars, almost near dwarf in size. These are Sirius B, C and D.

Sirius B is where humans came. We came roughly around 4.3 million years ago. We became fully conscious beings, we moved quickly through technology into very advanced technologies, we learned to unite with other light species that were non-humans, and we created our first groups of what later became, what is now the Galactic Federation of Light.

If you want the details and the step by step of this procedure, read the book.

SC: Yeah. Exactly! [laugh] Okay, so it’s been a gradual, gradual move back to the light, but it’s certainly sped up in the last few years.

SN: Right. This is the time when we’re supposed to make the big move, so to speak the jump, the shift, whatever conceptual names you come up with for it. We are now at the edge of a time when the Anunnaki and their groups on this planet — the various minions they have, which I now call the dark cabal in my updates, whose purpose was to do two things — step aside, and encourage, by bringing out all the hidden technology and other things that they had kept hidden, into our knowledge.

And that would also allow us, through Disclosure, to see basically that we are not just a limited being that has a small mortal lifespan of a few decades, to a being that actually has the potential to being a physical angel and being a person who has an immortal life, and who now understands the nature of how heaven works — the basic laws of heaven, the rules of heaven — and can take those laws and move them into this physical world and apply them and then become a true co-creator with heaven of unfolding the divine plan.

And this is what we are really meant to be. We are now returning to all those things that we are meant to be. So …

SC: And about time! [laugh]

SN: If I had my way, it would have happened yesterday. But anyway…

SC: Well, funny talking about that, though, because in your message this week you’ve talked about the fact, or the Galactic Federation have talked about the fact, that many of us have been feeling that nothing is happening — you know: Where is this change? Where is what’s happening? Why can’t I see it? Why can’t I feel it? — when in fact a lot is happening.

SN: Oh, there is — there are tons of things happening on this planet. Like in Mexico we have this huge set of demonstrations going on everyday about changing the government, about the fact that their last election was not real, and we need to redo this in a fair way.

You have things going on in Iceland, where Iceland has completely overthrown its old government, has told the cabal banks to take a leap and has thrown the leaders of these banks into jail, and is now writing a constitution based upon what people who are elected by other people in that nation decide is what needs to be in the constitution, and that that constitution will have in it things that prevent what the banks and what the Anunnaki and their minions were doing in Iceland to never happen again.

And we have a massive debt problem all over the planet. The entire EU, the European Union, is on the verge of collapse because the Euro has a hard time being supported when it has virtually un-amounts of monstrous amounts of debt that are so unspeakably huge, that if everybody knew what was really happening they would prob — the world would probably be in panic.

Luckily they don’t know, but they do know that something is happening. There is a whole new system that is going on now. There are new … new banking regulations that are slowly making their way to the top.

Occurring on our planet right now is a massive change, but it has not yet bubbled over to where it becomes this massive thing. But is nothing happening? No. Lots and lots of things are happening all over the planet.

Ireland, with its studies which start the court case against the banks and their debt; Greece, which is in problems right now, which mirror everything else in Europe. I mean, Spain, Portugal, France and Germany are not that far behind in doing all the incredible problems of just living that is going on in Greece.

So, the only way out if you start looking at it country by country, continent by continent, is that we need massive debt forgiveness, we need a new system. The present system has basically failed; it’s just hanging on because the minions know that to change the system as drastically as is required will mean that they’ll lose their power. So they do not wish to do that.

So, the tipping points, the tipping scale, you might say, is now happening.

SC: Which is fantastic. Now, speaking of history, I’m not sure that many people know your true history itself. Now, you were born in New York City on November the 11th, so an 11/11 baby — I wonder if that’s prophetic or not — in 1946. Your grandparents were immigrants from Germany, and because you basically spent a lot of your early life growing up with your grandparents, you actually spoke as a child with a German accent, which surprised me.

And your father … well, you’ve said that your family was quite dysfunctional, but your father was quite violent and he would actually beat you senseless as a child. So can you tell me a little bit about growing up, what that was like?

SN: It was like living in two worlds. It was crazy. Okay. He was a man who lived in a world of violence. He was a former boxer, boxer trainer, and promoter. And feeling very dysfunctional, and he took it out with violence. And of course my …

SC: And often on you.

SN: Yes. Especially when we moved from New York City to Buffalo, New York, which was where my mother was originally from. He suddenly felt isolated, and then he became even more violent. And what further made the whole thing worse for him was all the phenomena that started occurring almost immediately after my birth.

SC: Okay. Now, your mother, though — and we’re going to come back to some of those things — but your mother was a mathematical genius.

SN: Right. She wo — she twice won the Jesse Ketchum Award in Buffalo Public Schools, which meant you could go to college basically free. Now, it was in the Depression, and of course she was — she was basically keeping the books for her father’s business. My grandfather on my mother’s side was a baker, and he had come from the German liners. He was — he basically left the German liners in the early 1900s. I think he came to Buffalo originally around 1906, 1908, some time-line around there, and he of course started a bakery, a German bakery.

And of course I grew up with baking. And my mother was an excellent baker. She wasn’t much of a cook, but she was an excellent baker.

SC: So, in fact, though, you’ve got a mother who’s a fina — or, sorry — a mathematical genius, and a father who came from a quite pugilistic background, and yet the two of them really loved you from the moment you were born.

SN: They had a love-hate relationship with me. It was really weird. I had this … It was insane, actually, as far as I’m concerned ….

SC: [laugh] In what way?

SN: My dad would take great deference to me. My mother would take great deference to me. Because they were afraid of me because of the stuff that happened around me, the phenomena. The … so …

SC: Well, talking about that phenomena, your first extraterrestrial UFO experiences actually began quite soon after birth. And you were quite threatening to them in many ways, as in your parents.

SN: My parents had never seen blue lights flashing in their homes. They had never seen strange beings come in and leave. They had never seen the fact that I suddenly was there, and I wasn’t there. They also saw that I had the ability to move things around. They also saw I had the ability to talk to them even when I was a small child and couldn’t quite talk yet — when I was like six months old I would be able to telepathically speak to them.

That caused a great deal of difficulty with them. They were totally confused by this.

SC: Well, you would be, though, because in that day, in that age, it would almost be like you thought you had — and I don’t like this word — but almost like you had a devil child come into your home.

SN: Probably. You could see, you could see that. Of course, the thing that probably got them was when … if they would try to get too violent with me, there would be this energy around me. So they couldn’t do really anything initially.

SC: So, when did visitation begin for you?

SN: From the beginning.

SC: Okay. So, almost from the moment you were born, and you can remember that vividly?

SN: Yes.

SC: And what were those first visits like? Because you had a guide. His name was Washta

SC: … and he instantly made himself known to you.

SN: He made himself known instantly. He just took over — he said his job was to be my mentor. And that’s what he was.

What happened was I, I began to believe that their world, meaning the world of the ships, was the real world, and the stuff I was encountering every day in my life on Earth, whatever incidents or whatever things going on to me seemed totally crazy. I could not understand why people were violent. I could not understand at all what was going on.

SC: So this is even as a very, very young child?

SN: Very young child. I did not und …. I felt like I was like a Chinese coolie who had escaped across the ocean and suddenly wound up in San Francisco.

SC: [laugh] So tell me about Washta. I mean, I know that you’ve said he came to you in blue and purple robes. But what was his energy like, and what did he do for you when you were a baby?

SN: It was like being with an angel. It was the most beautiful, fantastic, incredible experience. I cannot say enough about that energy. It was like being in heaven.

SC: Wow.

SN: …it was heaven expanded. You had no fear. You had no anything, except feeling this unbelievable, incredible joy.

SC: Because he told you you were Sirian, but through him you also had contact with Andromedans and Pleiadians. And he helped take you to and from the ships even as a young child. How did you travel to and from those ships?

SN: We teleported.

SC: But he also placed you in a bit of a heavy trance?

SN: They did when I was young. Was they said the best way for me to teleport was to do it gradually. And so they would put me in a stasis state, which would put me to sleep. And then I would go … and the only sense I would have.… When I finally grew older and I finally went to … I used to love to go up to the top of the Empire State Building, and the way the elevator feels just about the time before it stops? That’s what it felt like.

SC: Okay.

SN: …..wonderful feeling. And so I’d have two minutes of that, and then you would be there. And the energy was immediate, and you would feel it, and you would no longer feel any, like I said, any fear, any limitations. You were put in a special state on that ship where you were completely able to be almost like a fully conscious being. And so I began adapting that that reality.

SC: And they instantly started teaching you, though, didn’t they? You were six months old knowing how to speak or to telepathically speak. They downloaded information to you the whole time?

SN: Right. I felt this information. And when I got a bit older, when I got a few years old, like two or three or four, and to have full-out use of their educational system, which is … I call it the learning wall. They would take you to the ship, they would put you in this special chair where you felt absolutely comfortable, they would turn the energy on on the wall of light, and you would telepathically feel, and you would see … it was like in 3D television, which I experience right now. That’s why when I experienced it after what I did with the learning wall it didn’t feel anything odd or strange or unusual.

So, you would just go in there, and you would wind up falling asleep, because it was perfectly balanced energy, and you’d just go into a natural stasis. And you would feel this energy around you, and you would feel like you were a fly on the wall in any kind of history situation. They would take me backwards in history, and they would take me a little bit forward.

And once they even showed me, well, what will the world look like after all the changes happen? And so they, they did this. They showed me what the world would look like. And there were no buildings, there was no civilization whatsoever on this planet. It was just incredibly pristine, and you didn’t see roads, you didn’t see planes, and all that, all that stuff was nonexistent.

SC: So, when you were going up and back, though, like, were you freaked out? Because in my visual of, you know, reading your books and seeing and talking to you and hearing you over the last few years, it sounds like it was a scene out of Star Wars. You know when you walk into that cantina and there’s all those incredible faces and beings from all around the world? Sorry, the galaxy, rather, or the universes. Is that what it was like? And was it scary at that time? Because you were young.

SN: It wasn’t. Mostly, I started out mostly with humans.

SC: Um-hmm.

SN: Actually, what Washta started doing was he saw I was totally acclimated to the fact that you felt awfully small because … I was a small kid until I was about ten, then I started to really grow. But — I’m about five eleven right now. But I was little, and of course when you see a dinosaurian, they are eight to nine feet tall. So to me they looked like these huge monsters. Because they were so big.

And of course they looked like the dinosaurs. And my sister at the time was, was a, doing all the stuff that I guess a lot of kids now that are eight, nine and ten and eleven do, which is to get totally into dinosaur paleontology. And so I would see these pictures in these books on Earth, and then I would see these guys, and they looked just like ’em! [laugh]

So, even with these energies, my initial concept, first basic conception of these guys, was that they were dinosaurs. And what had happened, when I was three years old, I watched this movie — maybe I was four; anyway, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that this movie, which was called The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, completely scared me. I took … went to my dad, too, and it completely scared me for three days.

And, so when I saw these guys, when I was six and seven and eight, that was my first basic image. Okay? So, I got over it quick, but the initial aspect was, “Oh, my God!” [laugh] And I got over it fast, because these were actually very wondrous beings. They just looked like the creature in the movie. [laugh]

SC: It would. It would. So, just going back a little bit, prior to that, you were actually reading, back on Earth, by the age of three, even though you hadn’t been to Earth school, as I’ll call it. But in going up to the ship, were your parents aware that you were going up there and having lessons at the, you know, the wall of education, if that’s what you want to call it?

SN: Well, the crazy thing that I did was when I would come back I would tell everybody what happened to me. I wound up getting treated, when I was six, seven, eight years old, you know, second, third, fourth grade, people continually, you know, made fun of me all the time. They thought I was crazy.

And so I didn’t understand. And I also started telling this stuff to my mother. And of course she would look at me in awe, but she wouldn’t say anything. I guess it was just feeding the, “Why, why did I end up with him?” you know, kind of concept. Because I’m sure she was looking at… being a very intelligent woman she was probably trying to figure it out, and she couldn’t.

All she, all this crazy stuff happening — the lights going on and off, the abilities I had, like to open and close light switches, move furniture or small pieces of statuary or plates, whatever, around, things like that. So, it was scary to them, and of course, as I said, my dad’s only reaction was to be violent.

My mother was trying to figure it out. At first she tried to control by saying if I didn’t do certain things my dad would get upset at me, and all this kind of stuff like that. Then, finally around 12, she changed. And I came down one day, and to my amazement, she had totally shifted. She put all these various newspaper articles that she had collected on the refrigerator with these magnets, and she had put in a whole thing by Wadsworth and a few other of the transcendentalist philosophers about a different drummer.

And so she suddenly said to me, when I sat down, she said, “Son, I’ve been wanting to ask you this. What planet are you really from? Where do you come from?” [laugh]

SC: Ah! And what did you say? [laugh]

SN: Well, then, I was honest. I said, “I’m from Sirius, and I’m here to do a mission.” After that, I explained that I wanted to go to college and all these other things related to it. I want … my concept at the time was to take science and expand on it, and create a science that was a galactic science. And I said, “That’s what I want to do.”

SC: And was… is that what the galactics had also told you? Because you were chosen to be a representative and a messenger for them.

SN: They wanted me to do different things. They wanted me to basically do what I’m doing right now, which is to write messages, set up an organization whose basic concept was to prepare for contact and to talk about consciousness. I, on the other hand, wanted to change science and move it beyond the whole concept of quantum physics, which was just starting to gain some degree of, you might say, authority in science at that time.

I wanted to make it even more advanced, and I wanted to take that and switch it not just from a post-quantum physics but into a physics of consciousness.

SC: And how old were you, though, when they told you you were going to be this messenger?

SN: I was about six or seven.

SC: Six or seven. And then how old were you when Susan, your sister, came along?

SN: I was five.

SC: Five. And up until five, though, you’d had to deal with all of this by yourself. Just prior to Susan coming, Washta told you that you were going to have someone that you could share all this stuff with.

SN: Right. And it turned out to be my sister. My sister believes. And of course she doesn’t like to say this a lot, because she’s a cardiac nurse. So she tries to be scientific, you know, medical and all that. And so she really doesn’t want to admit it in public. She thinks I’m very courageous for doing this.

She tends to be very reticent about talking about this stuff. She doesn’t like to talk about spaceships and being raised in the ships. When I talk to her about it, just one on one, she will give me all kinds of information.

SC: So, she arrived when you were five. But you together then started going backwards and forward to the ships. And she had an almost identical experience to you.

SN: Right, she did. They all treated us with deference. They all were very kind and very wonderful with all of us. And of course when she went up on the ship she didn’t have the asthma. She has bronchial asthma. It was so severe that she was basically bedridden when she was 12. And when she went up there it was gone. She was normal.

SC: Okay. So, for many years the two of you traveled backwards and forwards, and you shared this as kids, even if you didn’t as adults. And then at 12 you actually finally said to your mother, “I’m from Sirius,” and she seemed to accept that. But suddenly, at the age of 14 or 15, you asked the Galactic Federation to leave and to leave you alone. Why was that?

SN: Well, I had this … I told you, I had this mis-concept that I could somehow create a bridge between the science I had learned on the ships and the science that I knew that I was learning about, because I was already reading college texts when I was 11 or 12.

SC: Umm. And in fact you actually read the whole of the Encyclopedia Britannica, which I think we all had as kids. And you actually were able to read them just by placing your hand on them, and you would know everything that was in each volume.

SN: Yeah. As a matter of fact, I once wrote to them, and I said, “You said a lifetime of reading.” And, I said, “I’ve already read them.”

SC: [laugh] Did you… did you get a response?

SN: They said, what about the — you haven’t read. It is a lifetime of reading, because it’s the yearbooks. They come out every year. And I said, oh, so that’s the little secret of the commercial! Okay.

SC: Ahh. That’s too funny. So, all that knowledge had come to you, but you just suddenly said, “I don’t want you guys around anymore.”

SN: Right, because I wanted to concentrate on the Earth side of this, which was actually naïve and erroneous in my belief system. But when you’re 14, 15, you think you can do things that you don’t realize the amount of obstacles and what you are trying to face are so immense.

So I thought that I could do this. And I didn’t realize, well, look you don’t even have any degrees yet. If a professor who’s in a major position at the university that you’re at decides they don’t want you to get this degree, they can work it so you can’t. I didn’t realize how… the truth behind how all the Earth systems operate, that the people at the top of any system in any part of it really get to determine who walks through those gates.

So, I didn’t know that yet. I was going… about to find it out. So, I discovered that, since they were the gatekeepers, they determined who got the degrees and who didn’t. And they could change the curves on any test to make it sure that you didn’t get through the gates, that you flunked out. And that’s what they basically did.

I did something very stupid. And it’s a sign how naïve I was when I was doing my orientation. I told the vice-chairman of the physics department at the University of Buffalo that Newton was not the great god that he thought he was, that he was just a subset of a greater science. And …

SC: Which went down really well. [laugh]

SN: It went down really well. He decided, this man does not graduate from this university! [laugh] So I was forced during my first year of college to switch degrees and become… what had come to me to be my secondary degree now became my primary degree, which I got all my degrees in eventually, my master’s, my baccalaureate, and my second master’s, which I went all the way up in my Ph.D. Program to being one paper away, but I couldn’t get a committee, because I ran into the same problem I had with this vice-chairman.

SC: That fascination with science, though, prior to this, that fascination that you had with science, you, actually, when you were doing junior science, started working for a major chemical company. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

SN: Well, in ’58, ’57, ’59, they had what they called the Junior Science Program. There were a lot of chemical companies in the area where I was. Buffalo-Niagara Falls was loaded with all kinds of chemical companies at that time, in the late ’fifties, early ’sixties.

SB: And this is around the time… so you’re like 15, 16 by this time.

SN: So what I did was, I got one of these jobs. Because one of the things that happened to me when I was in seventh grade was — the start of seventh grade, so I’m starting junior high school — the chairman for the entire school system for science goes and has their annual science program at the beginning of the year, right, and so she calls me up and she says — and here I’m one guy, I’m one little kid in school, and I’m on the stage — and she said, “This is your future junior scientist, right here.”

So, when I got into the chemical company, I was able to get grants because, you know, she signed letters for me. I got in, I was enjoying it thoroughly. And of course because of the telepathy I was able to converse with them at a distance. And they were all talking about they wanted to make a new set of special polymers. And these of course were people who had post-docs and all that, and they were doing research, on their own, in the programs that they had created, their own research programs, their own grant programs.

And I walked behind them, and I was basically a fancy bottle washer. I found out, that’s all I really did all day, was wash chemical equipment of some sort or another — bottles, burners, whatever. So, what happened was, I took an interest in this, because this fascinated me, what they were doing. So one of the things that experience had given me with this wall of light was you’d tap into a person’s brain, you’d look at his full potential, you can then take that full potential and expand out on it. So that you completely take whatever they have and show them a solution. So that’s what I did.

And so I wound up saying it in their language, which was their basic scientific jargon, in their biochem. And so I discovered that they were fascinated with what I was doing. And they never bothered to turn around. They thought I was some incredible guest scientist who had decided to walk the halls with them or whatever.

So, ’cause I thought this was fas … I was bored to death, you know, washing bottles every day, and test tubes, and things like that. So I decided to use the teachings that I had been given at that time, and so I used it, and so I got to them where they had solved and invented a brand new polymer.

And so finally they turned around, and they were, they were saying in their minds, which I…. It’s strange they never figured out that they really weren’t talking. I was just having a three-way telepathy conversation. So they turned around and they saw this little kid, dressed in this funny little white smock. And they immediately got all upset.

And so they ran into the room and wrote down what they had learned. And then after that they came out and they walked me to the supervisor of their… of this little program that I was a part of, and had me fired, and put on a black list so that I would not get another job.

And that was, that was my amateur science program!

[laughter]

SC: As you just said, you went to university, and you originally thought you might study science, but you didn’t, because you ended up doing political science. So what attracted you to political science?

SN: My mother was heavily involved in Erie County, which is the county that Buffalo is in, with Erie County Democrat politics. And so I got heavily involved in it. That was her passion, beside mathematics and accounting, was politics. We would talk about it every night. I mean, once she really got into knowing me and accepting me, we would talk politics all night.

She loved politics. She lived for it. If she hadn’t been so shy… I mean, she was so nervous around things she couldn’t even drive a car. So, she was… no way that, with her nervousness, she was ever going to be a candidate for anything. So she loved politics. She worked behind politics. She did phone banks and stuff like that. But she was absolutely involved in it. So I grew up with it, so it was my background. I, from the age 10 on, it was my other background.

And so, when I had nothing else to do, I said, well, I’ll do political science. I got straight As from all my social science in high school. So that’s what I did.

SC: Well, you ended up with an MA in southeast Asian government, from Ohio Uni in 1970. You also got an MA in American politics and international public administration from the Uni of Southern California. And you also did a Ph.D. And you thought that was where you were headed. But suddenly, in the 1970s, you ended up as vice president for scientific programming at a company in California, if I’m correct.

SN: Right, a small film company. Doing this thing on Tesla.

SC: Well, I was going to say, let’s talk about Tesla, because Tesla is your hero of all … all time.

SN: I first began reading library books about Tesla when I was eight. And he fascinated me. He’s always fascinated me. I feel that Tesla, if he had ever been allowed to complete what he was capable of doing in a public way, instead of all these secret documents that we keep talking about…. One of the great conspiracy theories of the world is, what did Tesla really do, and how much did it affect all the underground programs?

And of course we know from various stories around Tesla that he was involved with zero point energy; he was involved with anti-gravity; he was involved with death rays and all kinds of things like that. So, he was the equivalent of your mad scientist, because of all the things he did, but he was a very sane scientist, because he understood, and he didn’t really believe in Einstein and the atomic bomb, et cetera. He had a funny little quote about that. He said, “Some scientists learn to think deeply about certain subjects. Others learn to think clearly. But if those who think deeply would really think clearly, they would see most of their ideas were insane.”

SC: [laugh] And is that what attracted him to you, though? I’m sorry, you to him?

SN: No. I found that quote later. But what attracted me was the fact that he was really ahead of himself in just about every aspect of physical science you can think of. The stuff that people know is, of course, polyphase current, AC, alternating. He was the one who had Westinghouse decide for the United States on 60 cycles, and it’s 50 cycles overseas. He invented that. He invented the meter that works on…. He invented all the switches. All the wires you see overhead are original designs patented by Tesla.

So he invented the generator. He invented the motor. He invented the transportation system for the electricity. And he invented the meter that’s used to measure the electricity in everybody’s house and factory, et cetera.

But he went beyond that. He said, well, this is alternate currency. And as a resonance frequency, as an RF, it can do other things. So he came on and he invented radio. He saw that, well, radio has a potential. It can be used — a current can be used to carry other current, so that you can then broadcast power. And that’s the big thing that he started on in the 1890s, his broadcast power station.

But he didn’t just want to broadcast power. He wanted to create radio. He wanted to create television. He wanted to create a ticker-tape that could go around the world. He wanted to make it possible for the world to be entirely different. He wanted to create aircraft — and of course this is the early 1900s when aircraft were flying at like 40 miles an hour and were crashing a lot because the motors weren’t very good.

So, he wanted to invent electrical motors, so he would have things the size of large blimps that would fly high in the air and would be powered by this wireless power transfer. And so he was already thinking about aircraft that flew through the air. He was already thinking about broadcasting power from one continent to another, around the world, actually. He was talking about creating a civilization so far in advance… he also came up with the concept for computers.

SC: Umm. Ummm. And, like, have the galactics ever told you anything about him, and what happened to him?

SN: He was a very advanced being. He just left this world because it was no longer time for him to work in this limited conscious world, and his body was starting to fail. He was in his eighties, he had had a very serious car accident. A car had run him over when he was in his — when he was about 76, 77. And he had spent a long time in the hospital, and ever since then he had a bit of a limp, and he ne … his mind didn’t quite work the way he wanted it to.

So, he was deteriorating, and he understood that. And when a certain time came, he decided it was just time to leave, and he left.

SC: So, do you think he was killed? Because there are rumors that he was, because he just came up with so many things that would have changed the world that the dark didn’t want him around anymore.

SN: He might have just, well, been that happened, because his body was failing, he was willing himself to die, and so death, no matter how it came to him, would have been welcome. So it just may have happened that way.

Part 2 Tomorrow

Transcript: Sheldan Nidle on The Light Agenda Part 2/2

This is Part 2 of my interview with author and Galactic messenger Sheldan Nidle on The Light Agenda from August 9, 2012. Thanks to Ellen for the transcript.

Part 1 of this transcript is here:http://the2012scenario.com/2012/09/transcript-sheldan-nidle-on-the-light-agenda-part12/

Sheldan first went public with the messages he received from his Sirian star brothers and sisters in 1992. He has since written several books, including You Are Becoming A Galactic Human, and continues to share his messages with us every week and host monthly webinars. We talk about Sheldan’s childhood, family and what lies ahead with regards Ascension, Disclosure and December 21 – and more.

You can listen to the full The Light Agenda interview here:http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio/2012/08/09/the-light-agenda

Stephen Cook: But you actually went on and worked with free energy yourself, and you looked at concepts for that.

Sheldan Nidle: I did. I actually developed various working projects with light bulbs, run motors, things like that. The thing that is fascinating to me is the way in which the US Government pleads about needing to find sources of new energy, and when the sources of new energy are given to it, or at least put in front of its face, so it can use its various grant systems to help create it, it looks the other way and tells you things like, “Well, these grants that we were going to give you, if you showed us that your thing worked — that was a joke. We didn’t mean that.”

So, I’ve had that happen to me a few times. So, I realize now that these energy systems that we have right now, they’re alternate energy, until these governments are gone, until this political system that suppresses all of these various inventions is gone, the whole process of getting this alternative energy into the world is going to be, if not nearly impossible, extremely difficult.

SC: Um-hmm. But what’s really fascinating for me is that you did all of that from 14 through to, what, early 1980s, with no…. Okay, you had the education that the galactics had given you as a child; you also had your slight influence of your Earth-bound energies. You then decided that you were going to live in a three-dimensional world as a human. And you, yet, still did all those things in a three-dimensional life, as a human. But then suddenly, in the early ’80s, your extraterrestrial contacts, or let’s just say your star brothers and sisters contacts, resumed.

Why was that? And did you ask for that to happen again?

SN: Not really. [laugh] It kind of snuck up on me. It was time. You know, like they say with time-line, there’s divine, right time for everything to happen, let divine, right time happen. At that time I was married to my second wife, who was Miriam.

SC: Um-hmm.

SN:I was still associated with the organization. And what we did was we drove up to Redding, because I had read some articles on some guy, and before we met him. And he was very extraterrestrial in the way he acted. I never found him and could never find him at all after that. And he basically reconnected me up with the Sirians. With whatever he did, he got me, he got this telepathy going, and it started up the whole process again.

SC: So what year was that? Do you remember how old you were?

SN: Roughly about 40. What happened was, I had been involved with a number of other scientists about trying to figure out what was going on. There was this… the return then of Haley’s Comet. Haley’s companion comet, which is called Comet Wilson. A giant question of astronomy of the year ’85 and ’86 was, which was coming in first, Comet Haley, or Comet Wilson? And if one was coming in ahead of the other one, which one was it, and what was the significance of that?

And so we had been working on alternate energy. I had that network from the early ’80s. And we decided to use our worldwide network with one another and try to figure out what was going on. And so we discovered eventually, by late ’86, that Wilson was the first one coming in and that it was not a normal comet. And it was not acting like a normal comet. It was doing… it was doing stuff that comets don’t do. Mainly it was changing direction.

And so I happened to be involved with some people who… one of whom whose father was one of the people who had developed the interstellar program. They were trying to answer a question back in the ’sixties, which was, if a ship was to come in from space, deep space, and had to… wanted to land on our planet, how would it do it?

And they spent a couple of months, and they developed a very primitive computer program. And we discovered that the way it would be done was they would break… and this is something you can look up, because this involves the National Observatory in Canberra …

SC: In Canberra, in Australia? Okay.

SN: Okay. Now, the way it would break in, it would have to go through the southern hemisphere. So, what …

SC: Because of what reason?

SN: The program was it would go just below the planet, break around the sun, and then come back and… into the northern hemisphere. So, what we… so then, we suddenly noticed that every major scientist dealing with astronomy on the planet, or something related to biological science, was suddenly headed for Australia. So we had a bunch of people in Australia, and we asked them, “What’s going on?” This is 1986.

And they said the national observatory — there’s a visitor’s center there — it’s been closed! They roped it off! They got military police and regular police officers suddenly guarding it! And they’ve got all these things around it, these big huge fences and everything, with Do not enter’s on it. We said, “That’s awful odd.”

So we finally got a hold of a couple of scientists in Canada who were going there. First, they were very upset at us that we found their number. And the second thing that they were upset about us was that we knew that they were going to Australia.

And the reason was, of course, very simple: the scientists wanted to get, immediately get pictures off of the telescope, which was then, as I said, is the largest physical telescope, at that time. There’s a whole bunch of telescopes that are a lot bigger now, but this is, this is 1986. This is 25 years ago! So, the largest eye telescope, physical telescope, was at the National Observatory in Australia.

And all of a sudden, it was roped off. And you couldn’t get up there. If somebody tried to sneak over the gates, they’d get arrested, and either thrown into jail, or else they’d get warned, if they catch you again, you are going to jail.

SC: So, why was that, though?

SN: They didn’t want anybody to see what they were actually doing.

SC: Which was?

SN: Which was to observe this comet, which was not really a comet; it was a giant ship. And it would be… come close enough to Earth that, with this big telescope, you could actually see the craft very well, because it was a very powerful telescope.

So, their job then was to make sure that only the scientists and those people invited by various national governments, cooperating of course with the Australian government, decided to let these scientists up there. And they wanted to be able to have full rein of the observatory, so, they closed the visitor’s center and allowed nobody up there.

So we wondered what was going on. So we talked to a few of these scientists, and like I said, they were extremely nasty with us. One of the things that had been done, which was one of the things that I had been doing, was to call up the Smithsonian Observatory in Massachusetts. And, so, we finally got the guy who was the chief PR guy for them at that time.

Finally, he said, “We want you to stop calling us. If you won’t desist from this, we’re going to start getting nasty.” And finally, his final answer was, “You know what’s happening. I know what’s happening. Let’s just leave it at that, please, okay?” And then he hung up.

SC: So, do you think, though, that that moment, then, when you were trying to find that out, that alerted the galactics to the fact that you needed to be back in contact with them again?

SN: I got in contact after that, and they showed me what was happening. What they were — what the — what was happening was one of these false flag invasions. They were, the Anchara group, which had a long series of treaties with the United States government and a few other major governments, was basically working together with the Anunnaki and with the dark cabal, which represents basically all these major governments. And what they were doing was setting up an invasion. And so, that’s when President Reagan gives that famous quote of his.

The one thing that will unite the Earth was, is if there was an alien invasion. Remember that quote?

SC: Ooohh. I didn’t even put these two things together.

SN: So now, we realized what’s going on. So we had no other choice, we had to cut it off. But we knew what was going on. So that’s when I got in direct telepathic communications with the Galactic Federation.

SC: And that’s when it resumed and has stayed with you ever since.

SN: One of the things they told us was there were two ships involved with made-up Comet Wilson. The first one was just a command ship. That was allowed to come into this planet, the star system, and go around the solar system and break against the moo … the sun, and all that. The second one was not allowed to pass Jupiter. And that was the one that had the soldiers on it, the invaders. And that one went back out into space.

That’s when they did the first of the five attempts to invade this planet. The first one was in ’86. The second one was in ’89. And after that, there were three more in the ’nineties. And I had a friend who knew Gordon Cooper, the astronaut. And he was sending out notices all the time to people on his list, which were mostly scientists and people related to them. And I just happened to know one of them. And he kept telling me, he’d call me up and he’d say, “They’re trying again.” And I knew then that the Federation would stop it. And sure enough, they did.

But, so, this has been going on for a long time. But that’s how I got started again in what I’m doing right now.

SC: So then, what led you in 1992 to suddenly write that first book?

SN: Well, I’d been getting more and more information, more and more information. And I didn’t know what to do with it. So this is how they worked it. I finally got convinced to go up into Seattle and visit my sister, and Miriam had discovered there was this lady who did regression therapy. And so I went and spent about two weeks with her doing regression therapy.

And she came up with all the things I was being related with then, because I was starting to remember even before the regression therapy what went on when I was much younger. And so she got all the information from hours and hours of listening to me when I was in the hypnotic state. And so then I was asked to give a talk to her group. And that was my first lecture.

SC: Wow. [laugh] So, writing that first book, was that very hard, or it actually flowed quite quickly and easily?

SN: It was pretty easy. But the major thing was I needed an editor. And my writing style was not very advanced then. My writing in the last 20 years has gone way up.

SC: You got the book out, and suddenly you had people really, really interested in what you were saying and talking about.

SN: Right.

SC: And then, in 1997, in November, you founded the Planetary Activation Organization, or PAO, which you still run today.

SN: Exactly.

SC: The aim of that was literally what? To bring everybody together that believed or had read your book or resonated with it?

SN: What I wanted to do was, first of all, Planetary Activation Organization’s primary purpose was to prepare the planet for First Contact.

SC: Um-hmm?

SN: The second purpose was to understand the fact that there was a consciousness shift going on on our planet, and that we were moving from being limited conscious beings to being fully conscious beings. And we needed to know the basic history of why we got here and why we’re going back to where we are as our natural state, which is to be fully conscious beings.

And then the third part was to understand that our planet is not just a giant rock, it’s really a living being and a living essence, and that we were originally brought here to be those beings whose task was to be a guardian for this planet and for its incredible, diverse biology.

And so, I wanted people to understand all of that. And one of the things they told me to do with it was to create planetary activation groups, which led to the book called Selamat Ja!, which is called a handbook for galactic humans.

And so, what I was doing with that was to give a basic overview to people who are interested in how to go about creating planetary activation groups. My primary concern was to have people understand about First Contact.

And then the third book, Your Galactic Neighbors, was written to help people understand that the people out in space, most of them are non-human, but they are very incredibly beautiful beings, and we wanted to get over the fear. Because I remember the fear, like I was explaining, when I was a kid, when I saw my first dinosaurian, probably created by the fact that I saw that crazy movie, but anyway, it was there.

And so I wanted people to get over the fear that people have. That’s why Star Wars is so frivolously effective, is because it’s almost like a cowboy, it’s like a — I call it a space western.

SC: Hmm.

SN: There are good hats and black hats, and all that. But that’s all changed. I wanted people to get over those ancient fears and to understand completely who and what they are, and who and what we were, and what we a re about to become again. And so, my task as messenger was to explain that to people, and also to give an update to people on what’s happening.

And that’s what we are doing right now. Our website, PAOweb, is doing all these various things and providing information on it. It’s got a lot of information on it. And I’m increasing that with the updates, and now I’ve been adding, the last year and a half plus, I’ve been adding webinars to it.

SC: Well, we’re going to get to one of them in a minute. But I was just thinking, no one could call you Mr. Idle Nidle, at any time, could they? Because you have just been phenomenally busy!

SN: Yeah. I’ve been … I’ve been asked to do all the things that are necessary to make all this happen. And as far as the final aspect of it, which is the actual shift, I would have loved it to happen yesterday, if you want to know the truth.

SC: Despite all of that, and, look, it seems to be part of the course when someone is a lightworker or a starseed, that sometimes there’s a bit of controversy. You’ve actually been ripped off. You’ve had people do things in your name, such as try to sell seats on a space flight that you had nothing to do with. You’ve also had all sorts of things done behind the scenes. I mean, how do you feel when something bad like that happens to you when you’re trying to do something very good?

SN: Well, it comes with the territory. And the thing that I’ve learned, the best thing I’ve learned is to just ignore it as much as you can. Being caught up in the controversy does not solve anything. It starts people into a series of you said, she said kind of things, and we don’t really need that. What we need as lightworkers is to be together and not try to create situations with one another where we get into these ridiculous conflicts.

So I do my best to try to smooth them over and to ignore the worst of it, because it’s really, as they would say in the game, it’s really solving nothing.

SC: Yeah… [laugh] But what about Middle Earth and the healing light chambers? I mean, some people agree with one and not the other, and some people say, look, we’re not going to need healing chambers at all because Ascension is the healing process. And then there’s others who believe there is no Middle Earth.

So, I mean, I always think in my head, well, they used to believe the Earth was flat, and we know that’s not the case. But what do you say to them, and …?

SN: Well, Inner Earth is real. If you look at the NASA photographs from Apollo 14, Apollo 11, a couple of other Apollo flights, you begin to see from the very flights that science has given us, through the photographs coming back from the Moon that the Earth is hollow.

They’ve also taken pictures of Mars and of Jupiter, and they have all kinds of strange things happening around the poles of Saturn which show conclusively that planets tend to be hollow. So that means it’s real.

Although I, when I was a kid, I was taken, as one of the many trips that I had, into Inner Earth. I got to see the crystal cities, I got to talk to the Agarthans. And they’re just like the Sirians and the Pleiadians and the Andromedans, and et cetera, and the Galactic Federation. They are very advanced, magnificent benign beings. And so, and the world they live in is a five-dimensional world, just like the five-dimensional world you see on the ships.

SC: Um-hmm. Which is where we’ll end up hopefully soon. [laugh] And what about the healing chambers, the chambers of light?

SN: The chambers of light are about bringing back the codes…. Right now, all of us have the various things in our RNA, DNA that is starting to go through what is called by the geneticists, it’s becoming encoded, which means it’s waking up, it’s becoming alive. As a matter of fact, in ’95, they saw this as a major thing. They had a secret conference in Mexico and decided to tell all the geneticists, “Don’t talk about this. This could be the next great monster after AIDS.” And so they didn’t want to get involved with it unless it showed up more.

We have crystal children on our planet right now that are very telepathic, who have learned and understand how to use nature and matter just as fully conscious beings can, who are growing up in a world and understand that their purpose is to help move us from where we are right now, in limited consciousness, into full consciousness. All this is now happening.

Now, let’s look at the light chambers. They know, because of the sequencing, we have a thing that was discovered about 15 years ago which is called epigenetics. Epigenetics simply is that when a certain crisis happens in your life your gene sequencing shifts, and it shifts permanently, unless another major crisis happens.

So, all of us had the same thing happen to us when we were switched from being full, unlimited conscious beings. We have gene sequencing surrounded by epigenetic programs which prevent us from becoming fully conscious beings. One of the giant tasks that any of the great ascended masters had, and why it took generations for them to do it, is because it required that you have a special moment when you shift the sequencing back into the proper sequencing for being a fully conscious being. So it’s not easy. It takes a lot of work, a lot of stress, a lot of concentration.

All of these beings went through almost a whole lifetimes where they basically just spent the whole day going through immense prayers and just standing or sitting in certain positions to allow them to be in a degree of meditation that they could talk to heaven, talk to their body, and gradually, genetic sequence by genetic sequence, by genetic sequence — and we’re talking billions of them — move their bodies from where we are as mortals into an immortal, fully conscious being.

That …

SC: And that’s what the light chambers would do?

SN: And so what the light chambers do is they take this stuff that is so difficult for us to change, and it allows us to lay there, surrounded by our own guardian angels, surrounded by our angelics, surrounded by our mentors, surrounded by all those beings in heaven who are there to help us, to allow us to be in complete security, in complete oneness with all life and all light, and use that time, of a few days, three days exactly, to shift from the limited conscious being we are now into a fully conscious being, and to allow us to go through all those processes. Because once we become fully conscious, all our thoughts become manifest.

So, we have to learn how to control that. So, when we come out, we’ll go through a seven to ten-day training to help us understand the etiquette of full consciousness. And from then on we are a fully conscious being, we are part of a natural civilization that will then evolve on this world, which is a galactic civilization, a galactic…

SC: Yeah! [laugh] That’s what we all want! Now, just briefly… I was just going to say, you know, sometimes the messages seem the same. So do you sometimes get bored with them, or think, oh, this is the same old, same old?

SN: Well, we’re educating people.

SC: Yes.

SN: Sometimes it requires a few weeks, a few months of going over it again and again, because people tend to take anything that’s repetitive, even if it’s stuff that they have to learn…. We all know that from school, when we have to learn things. We, after a while, didn’t feel very good about it because we had to go over it again and again. Of course I had a giant assist, which was I had a complete memory system that remembered everything.

So when I looked at a book, I could just flip the pages and remember it. And I would… to the point where the history teachers when I was in high school, would ask me, “Did I teach that subject right?” And I would tell them yes, or if they didn’t do it right I would tell them, well…

SC: [laugh]

SN: … so, said the following. And I would…. So.

SC: But you don’t ever get bored?

SN: No. I love facts. I’ve always been related into facts. I love… I love history, I love all things dealing with facts of any sort. I’ve been that way since I was a small kid, probably because of the way I was brought up. I have felt, to understand anything, whether it’s government, politics, history, whatever, so.

SC: Well, speaking a little bit more about history, you’ve been married twice, and you’re in, now, a third and wonderful relationship. You were married in your second marriage to a lovely lady called Miriam, who you’ve mentioned already. And she remains one of your very close team. And in fact she creates the beautiful illustrations that go with a lot of your work. So that must be a lovely feeling, to still have her around in your life.

SN: Yes, I am. And I’m … I’m doing all I can to help her get through cancer. She’s toward the end of it. It’s been a long journey.

SC: Okay. So at the moment you’re helping Miriam with cancer, but you and she were still working together even after you divorced, and she was very good friends with a lady called Colleen Marshall, who is your partner now. And the three of you work together very closely. So how does that all work?

SN: Well, we have our ups and downs, but — as does anybody — but we get along. We… we work. Right now she hasn’t been able to do anything for a while because of the cancer, but…

SC: Mmmm. But Colleen’s been an enormous help with your business now and also your life, and in fact she’s grounded you on many levels.

SN: She has. She’s a magnificent lady.

SC: One of the big surprises I got about the two of you was about two weeks ago when I was talking to John Smallman. And he mentioned that he and his wife Eugenie and you and Colleen all ended up sharing a place in Maui in Hawaii at one stage. So, how was that? Because you’ve all remained friends since then.

SN: Well, once again, we had our ups and our downs. John went through periods where he said, “I don’t want to do this anymore,” to where he changed his mind. Eugenie had always been, felt like she was another unofficial member, and she of course is the person who edits all the updates.

SC: That moment in that house must have been quite, I don’t know, just bizarre in some ways, because John was still channeling Saul, and you were talking with the Galactic Federation. So, as I said to him, you kind of had the whole world covered, or the Galaxy covered.

SN: Yeah. Well, he was still, when we first came together, he was still finishing… he was finishing up his career as a very excellent airline pilot.

SC: All right. So, moving forward, how do you see what lies ahead for us? How do you see Ascension unfolding? And how do your current messages relate to Ascension as it lies ahead?

SN: Well, Ascension is meant to happen not that far away. We’re close to that period. What the Galactic Federation is doing right now is finishing up the process of changing our reality.

SC: So, do you not believe that Ascension is on December 21? Or what is the significance of December 21?

SN: Well, December 21 to 24, because everybody will throw a different one of those dates at you. What it is is there are timelines in our reality that are coming together. What happens on that time, the 21st or the 24th of December, whatever day is the magic one, is that all the timelines will then merge. A great vortex will then come forth, and we will then be entering a new reality. And that means by that time, we should have had the beginnings of the shift happening to us.

We should have Disclosure. I think that Disclosure will happen before the end of this year. The Federation has to come on board right now, sometime in the next few months, and it has to bring forth two other things. It has to allow people to formally get access to new technologies, and it has to be the supervisor for creating these new governances on our planet.

We have to move from this crazy society based on debt and power to something entirely different. Because we are changing as a people. We are changing as our own soul is changing. We are no longer ready to continue to accept a limited conscious existence.

We all realize that something wonderful, something amazing is about to happen, and that is indeed what is about to happen. We are creating, within our own bodies right now, we are changing our chakras, we are changing the energy system in our body, we are reconnecting massive layers of light bodies together. We are basically bringing up new chakras as well.

So, we are moving from being a limited conscious being to a fully conscious being. We are reaching a certain stage at which we then need a giant assist. And that’s what the light chambers are. That’s all they are. They’re just a giant assist.

SC: So, with December 21, or around that period of those timelines, you just said that a whole lot of timelines come together. And in fact some of the people that have done things like through the looking-glass and Project Bluebeam and those sorts of things within the military, they’ve all come back and said that every single possible timeline literally comes together around about December 21.

So, do you know what lies ahead for us after that moment?

SN: After that moment, we have slipped into the new reality. The only thing that then will be allowed to happen is all the things I’ve been talking about, which is new governance, prosperity, abundance, and full consciousness. So, when anybody who goes through that or has visitations on ships with various people on the ships, they immediately come back and say one thing: Something wonderful is indeed about to happen. Don’t worry about it. We are entering a world in which all our dreams come true.

And that’s basically what is now on line. It’s on tap. So with December 21 through 24, whatever that magical date is, it’s the time when the gate closes on any other possibility. It’s the time when all of us then become locked into becoming fully conscious beings. And then the rest is following this path. It’s almost like in a movie where you go through a door and you suddenly see this amazing light, and you start heading toward the door, and when you open it up you say, “Wow!”

And that’s basically where we’re going. We’re approaching the “wow” moment when we shift.

SC: Can you wait? [laugh]

SN: I would love it to happen, like I said, yesterday.

SC: I know. I know. And so the galactics have never, or the Federation has never shown you what exists beyond that point?

SN: All they’ve said that exists beyond that point is Earth creates its own galactic society, we reunite with the people from Inner Earth, we recolonize all the various planets, we return all of them to their full, pristine level, and we create a brand new star nation.

They leave up to us what we will call it, they leave up to us its exact role. But they said the role destined for us is to become this special key that unlocks doors, that allows for the movement of people from galaxies far, far away from us to come together and create intergalactic unions that then come together and form even larger unions, that allows for this galaxy to move itself, along with these thousands and millions and billions of other galaxies, into the light.

And one of the things that we are going to do when we return to full consciousness is to be one of the groups that helps create these keys that keeps unlocking everything and moving it forward as the divine plan has so decreed.

So, we have a very important position to play. That position is a part of unfolding this divine plan. So, because of that, that’s why everyone who comes here tells about, we have a very special position. And that’s why it is so important to the galaxy, and to the universe actually, the physicality, that we move forward and become fully conscious beings.

SC: Now, Sheldan, your next webinar is called Preparing for Disclosure. It’s on two different dates, on the 26th and the 30th of August. And people can go to your website, which is PAOweb.com. What are you going to be talking about then, and when do you see Disclosure happening, and how do you see it unfolding?

SN: I see Disclosure happening, like I said, it’s at the most a few months away. It has not got a lot of time left. There are people working very hard to create films and documentaries about Disclosure. Disclosure is…

SC: Some of them are ready now, though, I’ve heard.

SN: Some of them are getting readied right now. I suspect that in September and October, November, we’re going to be deluged with stuff about Disclosure — films, websites, et cetera. We have documentaries. We have a great deal of pressure right now from the Galactic Federation for humans who are dedicated to Disclosure to do their stuff, in other words, to put together their materials, and to use it to make Disclosure happen. Because that is the next step of what needs to happen, is we need to have Disclosure.

SC: Ummm. Well, I can actually say that those of us working on the 2012 Scenario are doing exactly that right now, gathering that information. But in terms of how you see it unfolding, it’s basically going to be information flow first?

SN: It’s going to be information flow, and concurrent with that should be the changes in governance, and the changes in the economic system.

SC: Umm. Which we’re all praying for yesterday! [laugh] And in terms of what you’re going to be talking about in your webinar, preparing, what… how… what do people need to do?

SN: The most important thing right now to prepare is to get over your fears about the fact that there are other aspects of the human family that do not live on planet Earth. They live either inside or they live outside in other star nations that are very far away. Sirius is close, but you have things like an Andromeda that are like a thousand light years away. So you have, all over our galaxy you have humans that are coming to visit us, because as we’ve been saying, the time has come for us to switch from being in limited consciousness, which is how we now live and exist, into being fully conscious beings, immortals, basically, like the gods, physical angels. This is our true state.

We are going to take the final steps and allow us to become a full fledged, fully conscious being who has then an even more great, greater task than we now have right now. On this planet right now we’re attempting to change certain things, a shift in consciousness. We’re now going to move to an actual shift in physicality.

How do we change this reality that we live in, this great, incredible, almost infinite breadth of space, how do we change into beings of higher consciousness, and bring it all together so that we can turn all of physicality into light? And that is our basic task.

And so my job, as well as everyone else’s, when we become fully conscious, is to take our new responsibilities and use it to unfold the divine plan, as we’ve been saying all the way through this.

SC: Well, speaking of your job, what do you do when you’re not on the job? [laugh] What are your interests? Because I know you and Colleen love movies.

SN: Well, we try to watch some conscious movies. We don’t really like violence that much. We try to avoid all those kind of crazy movies. So we don’t get to go to a lot of ’em.

SC: No, because there’s not many left, are there? [laugh] And then what else do you like to do?]

SN: Another passion is baseball.

SC: Oh, yes. Now, that, that is an area. You, you… apparently you could, or you used to be able to recite whole statistics because of your photographic memory. Is that true?

SN: That is correct. Yes. When I was… when I was doing baseball in high school, et cetera, I had people that would try to take the baseball encyclopedia and try to have a special time to try to throw questions at me. And of course they didn’t realize that I had memorized the entire book, so anything they asked me I could recite it just as it would be in the book.

SC: The game that they used to play with you, was that — what was it called?

SN: Try to stump me. And they couldn’t.

SC: [laugh] So what, all the other kids would come along and give you a question and see whether you could get it right and wrong? And of course you were always right.

SN: I was always right, because I had the book memorized.

SC: [laugh] So, did you play baseball as a kid?

SN: Yeah. I did.

SC: You did. And you used to go to games all the time. So you don’t go to games as much as you used to?

SN: No. No. I’m unfortunately living in an area right now that doesn’t have a major league baseball team in it. So I watch it on the telly.

SC: Oh, just as good. And apart from that, what other things do you use? Are you a gardener? Do you listen to music?

SN: Not as much as I used to. I used to be really into music when I was a teenager and early twenties. But not anymore.

SC: Now, I asked you for a music choice today, and you have chosen a song that, by sheer chance, a lady I interviewed about five or six weeks ago, a channeler called Fran Zepeda, also chose. So, what is that song? Who is it by? And why did you choose it?

SN: The Beatles, John Lennon, “Imagine.” I like it because it explains to people about another reality: when people, as I’ve been talking about, are one; when the world is not like it is now; when there’s a new reality. So I see that song as being John Lennon’s attempt back in the late….

SC: Sorry, in the late…?

SN: Well, in the late ’seventies was when it was most popular among people, even though he created it much earlier than that. But what I like about it is that it was John Lennon’s attempt to explain to people about another reality. And that’s when unfortunately he died. I knew he would… if he had lived, he would have created I think much more advanced concepts in songs, for lyrics, than he did with…pretty good right now, but I think he would have gotten even better.

I really feel that John Lennon was going to be an incredible being when he got into his fifties and sixties, but unfortunately that did not happen.

SC: Actually, in saying that, do you think that the dark organized his assassination, then?

SN: They were trying to snuff the light out of anything. And of course Lennon was one of the few Beatles who actually understood what was happening. He knew about the shift, he knew about consciousness. He was beginning to become a person who was shifting his music to understand what consciousness was. And that’s why I said, when he became older, I felt for sure he was going to write a lot of incredible albums, a lot of incredible songs in those albums, that would have allowed people to really understand about consciousness.

And so, to me it was a great loss when he was assassinated. Exactly.

SC: Umm. So for you “Imagine” is about the song, and it’s showing the way forward and the world that we can imagine, hopefully, before the end of this year.

SN: Hopefully, yes. [laugh]

SC: Well, Sheldan, I have so much enjoyed getting to know you today. And I want to thank you so much for sharing your very personal light agenda with all of us.

Now, you can find out more about Sheldan Nidle’s books, his e-books, his DVDs and of course his webinar at PAOweb.com.

Now, next week we’ll be in the middle of the harmonic convergence, and I’m hoping to talk about this rare alignment with a special guest.

Meanwhile, this is Stephen Cook, and as always, in everything you do this week, may you only serve the Light agenda. And please thank my very special guest today, Sheldan Nidle.

Sheldan, it has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much.

SN: And I want to say, I have enjoyed this, Stephen. Maybe we can do this sometime in the near future.

SC: Oh, I hope so. That’d be great! [laugh]

Well, here is Sheldan’s music choice, “Imagine,” by John Lennon. Thank you, Sheldan.

SN: You have a great evening or morning, whatever it is, wherever you are.

Sheldan’s Song choice “Imagine by John Lennon was played.

Sheldan’s website is www.paoweb.com

Jesus: Oneness is Non-Negotiable

As channelled by John Smallman – September 21, 2012

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The essential changes that humanity needs to make in attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors in order to restore the normal, necessary, loving, and peaceful conditions in which you can relate to one another on every level are occurring very rapidly now.

Humanity’s region of the divine energy field — your field of consciousness — continues to strengthen and intensify as more and more of you become aware of how each one of you can and does affect it, and then very positively makes the intent to do so.

A wonderful Light is now bathing your beautiful planet and is clearly visible to all who wish to see it. You are making astounding progress on your path to awakening, and even those who are the least aware of the spiritual dimension that is your identity will be unable to remain unaware for very much longer. Then they too will add to the ever-growing brilliance of the Light that envelops you all.

It gives enormous joy and satisfaction to us in the spiritual realms as we observe the exponentially expanding field of love that you are creating around you to meld with God’s. We have been with you, helping and encouraging you for eons, and now the results of our joint efforts are becoming clear. So much progress has been achieved in just the last few decades! God’s Will is demonstrably shown being perfectly accomplished.

You have a very restricted vision of humanity’s ability to grow and evolve spiritually, but if you could momentarily place yourselves sixty or seventy years back in time from today and experience the beliefs you had back then about what humanity might achieved by this time, and, if you were now able to see, as we do, what has been achieved in that short space of time, you would be astonished.

Your doubts and anxieties would dissolve because your faith in your abilities to change the world through your thoughts and intentions would be shown to be totally valid. The divine Will is with you constantly to assist you. You just have to allow it to become yours by ceasing to resist It.

In spite of the endemic poverty, conflicts, and self-serving, egoic agendas that seem to be driving you towards the most terrifying abyss of self-destruction — and on which the mainstream media focuses almost all of its attention — on a deeper and far more powerful level significant and substantial changes have been taking place within the collective human energy field that are leading you irrevocably towards awakening.

Your intent to evolve spiritually has intensified as you have realized that the only way to bring peace, prosperity, and happiness to mankind is by returning to your Source. You can only do this by opening your hearts to the inflowing Love that your Father offers you in every moment because you are all spiritual beings and that is where your power lies.

Your human bodies are necessary vehicles — toys through which you play with and quarrel with one another, while you choose to remain in the unreal world that seems so convincingly real to you. Your true nature is spiritual and you have been ignoring it while you played. The result has been loneliness, fear, and unhappiness.

Yes, the games you have been playing brought moments of ephemeral happiness, and you have sought to increase the frequency of those moments and make them last as long as possible. But they are as illusory as the unreal environment in which you are playing your games, and so suffering and intense dissatisfaction have prevailed.

True, eternal happiness is only available in your natural state. For eons, you have refused to believe that and so have struggled fruitlessly through competition, conflict, arrogance, beguilement, and betrayal — all to achieve the unattainable. And it will remain unattainable so long as you choose to see yourselves as separated from one another and from God, and continue to treat each other as obstructions and impediments that must be removed or destroyed in order to achieve the blessings of His eternal peace, for you and for the ones that you have decided are worthy of it.

Oneness is non-negotiable. Finally this is becoming apparent to you, as the enormity of the error of believing otherwise dawns on you, and so you are choosing to open to Love and the inclusiveness that is Its nature. The importance and significance of that choice is something you cannot possibly imagine as you struggle with the paradoxes and inconsistencies of human life on Earth.

Nevertheless, it is the choice that you needed to make to allow yourselves to awaken, and leave the insane nightmare of separation and abandonment to dissolve and fade away. You have truly made the most important choice of your lives, and what this actually means will become blindingly apparent when you awaken into the brilliance of Reality — your eternal, heavenly Home.

Your loving brother, Jesus.

A reader has asked: “In today’s [Sept. 19, 2012] update SaLuSa mentioned something that has us confused. It was stated that the expected changes for the New Age will now occur after Ascension. … If we are reading this correctly, it seems like SaLuSa just announced a huge change in the lineup!”

The reader wonders what the status is of NESARA, the new governments, Disclosure, etc., in view of SaLuSa’s remarks.

The key passage leading to his questions appears to be this one:

“Naturally the expected changes will commence very shortly, as the New Age must be launched so as to break up the old paradigm. The new one is waiting to be introduced, and its benefits are to be shared by you all. Completion cannot however take place until you have Ascended, as those who are the dark Ones are not to be the beneficiaries of that which is for those of the Light.”

Three Types of Events

Where the confusion may enter in is that in this message SaLuSa refers collectively to three distinct types of events that are happening. The three types are:

(1) Geophysical events such as Earth changes.

(2) Sociophysical events such as the fall of institutions like banking, financial systems, and governmental systems and the arrival of new institutions like NESARA and the new governments, and arrival of the galactics with Disclosure and First Contact.

(3) Technological events such as the arrival of new medical, transportation, and construction technologies.

SaLuSa makes several statements but it’s not necessarily clear to which of these three types of events his statements apply:

“The changes [which changes?] will come and new governments will take over from the old guard. Financial changes will go ahead to ensure that there is never a repeat of the corruption that is bringing them down. That [what?] will certainly happen soon, and our presence will be acknowledged, enabling us to draw closer to you.”

“Everything you expected to take place will do so.”

“While the cleansing [Earth changes or fall of old institutions?] takes place it may appear that all is in some state of disintegration, and that is true to the point that the old ways and systems [which old ways and systems?] have to go. Anything that cannot hold up in the higher vibrations [Geophysical? Sociocultural? Technological?] clearly has no place in them. So do not despair or get depressed as all is ready now to replace the old systems [which old systems?].”

Possible Timetable

That having been said, I summon up all my courage and give my best guess at what may take place to the three systems, hopefully to reduce a little of the confusion.

(1) Earth changes will occur to Gaia before and after Ascension. The major changes I believe will happen before. We’ve been told many times that these are happening under the watchful eye of the galactics and celestials and will be managed to cause the least possible dislocation.

But some conscious, cosmetic, surface changes may still happen after. So it’s possible that SaLuSa’s statement that change will be completed after Ascension may apply in part to changes to the Earth.

(2) NESARA, as far as all indications are, will be introduced (sigh) shortly. It was intended to be introduced on 9/11. (2)

It’s designed to draw a line in the sand between the old and the new. It’s designed to relieve inequality, hardship, and stress among people so that they can begin a new lifestyle on Earth and also prepare for Ascension. There’s much more that could be said about NESARA. My statement is not meant somehow to be complete on the subject.

However some people who awaken late in the game may feel the need for currency and such financial tools after Ascension while many, familiar with the ability to construct from thought, won’t feel the need to continue with currencies, etc. So it’s accurate to say that NESARA will continue after Ascension for those who wish to continue using it.

(3) New technologies will be introduced before and after Ascension. Obviously they’ll be different before and after, given that we’ll be in different dimensions. Technological change will be a constant, I would imagine, forever.

New Age vs. Ascension

Another distinction needs to be made to lessen confusion and that is between the “New Age” and “Ascension.” “Ascension” is a physical and spiritual event which the sudden school, to which I belong, maintains will happen on Dec. 21, 2012. The “New Age” is a social and cultural construct that refers to an era in terrestrial history that is already beginning and will continue indefinitely after Ascension.

Previously we’ve seen other ages in Earth’s history such as the Middle Ages, the Age of Exploration, and the Age of Enlightenment. These terms mark off different periods of endeavor or lifestyles whereas “Ascension” refers to a definite event. So, yes, the New Age is beginning soon or has begun, depending on your point of view. No, the New Age does not await Ascension. In my view, we’re in it already.

So when SaLuSa says that “completion cannot however take place until you have Ascended” and “the expected changes will commence very shortly, as the New Age must be launched,” there’s no contradiction because the two events being referred to are different. The two sets of terms don’t cover the same conceptual territory or do the same work.

Lest we think that SaLuSa has somehow erred in what he has said, I might share something that Archangel Michael said to me, I believe, in my last reading with him on Sept. 14. He said that he sometimes leaves matters a little uncertain on An Hour with an Angel to encourage us to do some of the thinking for ourselves. SaLuSa here too may be wanting us to exercise our own powers of discernment by being deliberately vague. Just a guess.

Change, Change, Change

A last distinction that needs to be made is that change is and will always be a constant in God’s creation. There will never be a time when we escape change.

As Sri Krishna said: “The nature of the relative world is mutability.” (1) It is so because there is constant expansion until the return to God. Spiritual evolution is a perpetual process until our return and then, as I understand it, we agree to come back and help those who are still on the homeward journey.

In fact many of us are doing that now: we’ve agreed to leave higher dimensions and don this heavy 3D wet suit and spend time in duality assisting with this very Ascension. So we go up and down, back and forth, in a process of continual change.

And now we’re about to enter a period of rapid, concentrated, almost dizzying change and there may quite likely be much confusion. That’s why we lightworkers are here.

The easiest way to minimize it, I think, is to remember that, even though the cabal has hung on longer than anticipated, the Divine Plan for this age can accommodate change and the galactic and spiritual forces here to help us with the changes are ample and powerful.

The changes that need to happen will happen. Some may be accomplished before Ascension and some may be partly completed before and fully completed after. But “everything you expected to take place will do so.”

Armed with these conceptual distinctions, it’s my hope that we can wade through his discussion of coming changes and sort out what SaLuSa’s saying. Moreover, if SaLuSa is deliberately trying to get us to discuss events so as to develop our own conceptual wings, well, I hope he succeeds and we do wrestle with some of these notions.

Before long, we may need to remember to take a deep breath and remain calm and centered. We knew the carousel would begin turning and it’s on the verge of doing so. Everyone hold on tight as the place begins to swing.

Footnotes

(1) Sri Krishna in Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher Isherwood, trans., Bhagavad-Gita. The Song of God. New York and Scarborough: New American Library, 1972; c1944, 74.

(2) On Sept. 14, in a personal reading, Archangel Michael revealed that in fact NESARA “was intended to begin, as you have guessed, on 9/11. And there has been disruption, as you know.” (Archangel Michael through Linda Dillon in a personal reading with Steve Beckow, Sept. 14, 2012.