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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/25/2009 6:24:35 AM
Hello Geo,

Your claim that the three religions based on the Bible/Torah are merely tools for political leaders to rule the world and that they are"propaganda" books is an interesting one. While I don't agree with you let's assume for arguments sake you are right.


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I am born Christian but today I know that all three Abrahamic religions(Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are hand made tools for the politicalleaders to rule the world. ............ This book, like many other books, it is a propaganda book.


Consequently,The New Testament (all the different versions) and the Koran are also continuations and extrapolations of the propaganda since the major source for them is the Bible (for the Koran the Bible, NT and many other religions too).

OK,you made a statement but what's your point? History has a way of repeating itself. Of the 3 religions in today's modern world only one is interested in world domination in the name of their religion and that's Islam. They've dominated much of the world in the past and are on a crusade as is declared in their Koran and by the majority of their leaders freely and publicly. I'm sure Geo, that you're aware as I am of all that's happening throughout Europe and if necessary (I'm sure it's not) I can post links to thousands of articles and videos showing the many attacks by Radical Islam from Greece to the United Kingdom, in China, Russia and in fact most countries in the world. The attacks reached North America and in particular the United States and their strength there is growing without regard to their actual numbers with the help, assistance and advocacy of B Hussein Obowma.

You end with your support of what Bogdan wrote.
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I agree withBogdan Fedur whom I quote below because he is totally right..

Quote: Your enemy is in your own country not in the middle east. Yourenemy is hiding in the buildings of Federal Reserve, Pentagon and WhiteHouse and doesn't believe in any religion or god. If they believe inanything, than this is power and total control.

Now if you read all the posts in this thread (and elsewhere indifferent forums) you'd be aware that I/we have no argument with the corrupt Fed, White House, Illuminati and Oligarchs. We believe that Islam and the leaders of the different Muslim countries are themselves Oligarchs and part of the Illuminati, Bilderbergs if not as actual members at least as partners in crime.

So the dangers the world faces are multiple but I for one and there are many that believe as I do the most dangerous at the moment is from Radical Islam and their plan for world domination.

It's not in any way relegating other dangers to the back burner but as we've seen the imminent danger of NWO/Government that was the desired outcome of the Copenhagen Accord has been delayed for a few years thanks to China, India, SA, Brazil and other countries and as an outcome ridiculed B Hussein publicly and internationally. And is in my humble opinion a major setback to the Bilderbergs, Illuminati and Oligarchs.

Merry Christmas to you and all our ALP friends.

Shalom,

Peter
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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/26/2009 5:24:17 PM
Hi Peter!

I wrote my opinion which doesn't mean there is different opinion. Reading in detail your reply I don't see any disagrement. "corupt Fed, White House, Illuninati and Oligarchs" is what Bogdan and I refer to.

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/27/2009 5:54:31 AM
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Hi Peter!

I wrote my opinion which doesn't mean there is different opinion. Reading in detail your reply I don't see any disagrement. "corupt Fed, White House, Illuninati and Oligarchs" is what Bogdan and I refer to.

Holidays around the World and people make peace and try to be happy I will I do too.

Jim and the writers in this topic.

"ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΑΠO ΤΗΝ ΟΜΟΡΦΗ""

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Hello Geo,

As I said in one of my replies to Bogdan there is much we agree on and even more we disagree on. The fact that behind the scenes there are groups that are in many ways the puppet masters of leaders in the world doesn't in any way eliminate the existence of other dangers that are even more relevant then those mentioned above.

What I found offensive was the claim that the United States is the major cause of the world's problems and in essence is the modern day copy of the old Soviet Union. [I've already written about the willingness of the US to help any country needing it and in the end being hated for it. I see the US as a country being vilified for helping and assisting many countries and that certainly is a sad state of affairs.]

Truth be told under president B Hussein Obowma the US is certainly on the road of his Marxist/socialistic agenda and unfortunately much to the chagrin of the"people" is on the verge of signing into law Obamacare that will in the long run bankrupt and enslave the good citizens of the United States. Along with many other laws that are on the books the US is in danger as she has never been in the past.

Along side the laws and the Marxist/socialist path B Hussein is leading the US into he has his Islamic agenda and is supporting, promoting, protecting and advocating Islam in the United States (and the world) and ignoring any attacks and dangers in order not to "jump to any conclusions". There are a many examples of Radical Islam's actions within the United States. The Ft.Hood massacre, the 5 Muslim Americans arrested just last week, the many attempts of terror attacks thwarted by the FBI in the past few months(and years) and so much more from honor killings, child marriages, the subjugation of women and so much more. News Flash- yesterday's terrorist attempt to blow up a Delta plane over the United States.

All this and the administration with B Hussein at the helm and MSM are ignoring it totally and fail to call terror by it's name. It's beyond political correctness it's almost national suicide. What makes it even worse is the example of the inroads of Radical Islam throughout Europe and the advance of their plan for world domination. As I said there are literally thousands of articles, videos and pictures proving the changes within the European countries some of whom seem to have given up. You can find the same amount of articles, pictures and videos about the United States and Canada. Some in Europe are still putting up a fight and there are some outspoken leaders that are unflinchingly fighting Radical Islam and their quest for world domination. And yet the B Hussein regime is ignoring the writing on the wall.

Hopefully the many grass roots organizations with the Tea Party at the head will bring about changes within the US that are necessary to save America from turning into another third world country and bring it back to being a Republic based on the constitution and the ability to call a spade a spade and not fall into the dangers of being politically correct.

Shalom,

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/27/2009 12:08:30 PM
Hi Jim,

I posted the below article earlier today and thought it apt for this thread too.

Shalom,

Peter

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Ignoringthe danger of Radical Islam is beyond political correctness. In manyways it borders on the naive disbelief that others are willing to kill,maim and terrorize
in the name of their religion.Well it's about time people start educating themselves and acceptingthe fact that in the eyes of Radical Islam and the Koran you areinfidels and are to be subjugated and killed. Their plan, aim andagenda is world domination no more no less.

Wake up time myfriends. I've been posting articles about this subject for quite awhilenow and will bring further articles and sources for you all to read andlearn about what you are facing.

Shalom,

Peter

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Foundations of Radical Tolerance and Cultural Inertia

December 25th, 2009

by D. L. Adams

Asthis difficult year comes to a close there is reason forpositivity.There are now serving politicians in our country who areaware of Islamand the dangers that it poses to our freedoms andnational survival; andthere are now candidates running for nationaloffice who understand thechallenges that we face from an ideology thatis fundamentally opposedto ours.

We have been successful in raising awareness aboutpolitical Islamits purposes and doctrine across the country and beyond.Even moreimportant perhaps is the difficulty that we experience indiscussingissues like this one.

We experience resistance to ourdiscussions about Islamic doctrineand what it means for Americans andAmerica because the United Statesand the West in general is in themidst of a crisis of meaning.

In addition to the horrors that weexperienced on 9/11 andsubsequently most recently at Fort Hood is thegrowing understandingacross our society that we no longer have a sharedconcept of what itmeans to be American and what “America” itself means.

Ifthere was no crisis of meaning in the United States there wouldbe nocontroversy about the doctrine of Islam; there would be noconfusionabout what is the “true” Islam or what is the “false” Islam,thehijacked version of the … hijackers. If there were no crisis ofmeaningthere would be unfettered and open discussion of Islamicdoctrine,ideology, and history across the society.

The doctrine of Islamis clear about non-believers (Allah andMohammed hate the unbeliever,the kafir), and it is clear about whatthe future of the world issupposed to be (the future is supposed to beentirely Islamic). Thedoctrine is clear about the House of War (dar alHarb), and the House ofIslam (dar al Islam). The followers of Islamwho kill non-believers andshout Islamic religious phrases as they killgive a clear message to allwho care to listen to it. The followers ofIslam involved overtly injihad do not hide their purposes though theyfool the multiculturalistsand the ignorant with taqiyya about Islam asthe “religion of peace”.

Thedoctrine of Islam is clear- it is the obligation of allfollowers ofIslam to be involved in jihad, fighting in Allah’s cause.Allah’s Causeis the elimination of every religion or culture that isnot Islamic,ruled under Allah’s law, “Sharia”.

The clarity of the message ofthe jihadists and the doctrine ofIslam which explains why jihadists dowhat they do and commit theatrocities that they commit is difficult todefend, though it isdefended nevertheless. It is defended and explainedaway bypost-modernists and multiculturalists because if it is acceptedasbeing what it is and if it is accepted that it is oppositionaltoAmerican concepts of freedom and tolerance, then those who do notlivea life of meaning have a foundational crisis of purposeandunderstanding; their deeply felt concepts of how the worldfunctionswill collapse.

The resistance to accept the reality ofand then understand thetruth of the doctrine of Islam is essentially aself-referentialprotective response on the part of a widely ignorantand post-modernculture deeply enamored with so-called post-historicalideas andUtopian concepts of radical tolerance.

Many in ourculture believe that we in the United States are immunefrom historicalforces; that we are safe in “fortress America” from allthe horrors ofthe world that always happen “over there”. Even 9/11could not shatterthis Pollyanna silliness. The failure of 9/11 toawaken the mass of ourpeople to the great threat of political Islam isa significant failurethat cannot be defended, but it must be explained.

By way ofexplanation, Americans are a forward-looking people; weare tolerant,accepting and friendly. These are the foundations of ouropen societyand why so many throughout our history have fled their owntroubledhomelands where the forces of history in all their uglinesswreckedtheir havoc. The place to evade the forces of history hasalways beenthe United States. This is why America has been the shiningbeacon offreedom and safety for generations.

What happens after a stunningand world shifting event like 9/11occurs in the haven of openness andtolerance? What happens to the city on the hill—willthelights blink on and off then come back on bright as ever? Or willthelights shimmer and dim, because the people cannot accept the truthofthis new world, which in fact is extraordinarily old (app 1400years),into which they have been thrust?

The fundamental concepts of astable and pleasant life for most arebuilt upon the idea that everyoneshares in the same desire forpleasantness and stability. Many in ourcountry believe that a want ofniceness on our part rather than simplyour existence is the reason whyso many across the world dislike theUnited States and our freedoms.This is a common idea across the landand a singular reason whydiscussing the doctrine of Islam and what itmeans is often met withrancor and fear. Many Americans do not want toknow about the doctrineof Islam because it means that their concepts ofstability and thenature of humanity are shattered.

The idea thatan ideology can be so opposed to the existence ofAmericans as a groupor nation is not unprecedented, we have been incivilizationalwarbefore. We fought WW2 because we saw thecivilizations of Europe at riskof destruction and we knew that if theyfell, the United States would benext and their essential concepts offreedom and the dignity of men wereour own.

Since 1945 we as a society have forgotten that kindnessand opennessand a desire for mutual association is not enough to ensurepeace andsecurity here at home. There are forces at work that deny theright forothers to live with their own beliefs and their owngovernments; thisis called totalitarianism.

As this difficultyear comes to a close we have much to be thankfulfor, but profoundchallenges remain. We are in an ideological war forwhich most are notprepared; in fact, many are unaware that such aconflict exists.

Thereis no denying the essential anti-freedom, intolerant politicalmeaningand purpose of the doctrine of Islam, though it is deniedanyway; thisdenial is the corner stone of our national suicide.

We are aforward-looking people; our grasp of history and of othercultures isneither extensive nor deep across the wider culture. Ourcurrent“culture war” has been described as a conflict betweenRepublicans andDemocrats; liberals and conservatives; capitalists andsocialists butthese are over-simplifications and miss the core point.The core of ourcurrent difficulties is a conflict over meaning and how to respond to challenges from those who do not share our concepts of meaning.

Throughouthistory societies have been required to defend themselvesfrom threatsboth internal and external; this is why the Foundersplaced “I willsupport and defend the Constitution of the United Statesagainst allenemies, foreign and domestic” in all civil and militaryoaths ofoffice. We now must respond to a domestic and foreign threatthat isideologically driven.

Because we are in a crisis of meaning–asshown by our lack ofsocietal awareness and acceptance of the threateven these few yearssince 9/11 and only weeks since Fort Hood (asmaller version of thesame crime driven by the same forces that werebehind 9/11)—we cannotrespond effectively or at all.

In previousgenerations it was clearly understood by all what itmeant to be anAmerican, and what the concept of “America” was about.Rarely do thepeople have a shared understanding of these concepts now.What we see isa hodgepodge of competing ideas with the essentialunifying concepts of“Americanism” forgotten or misunderstood.

The foundationalconcept of our country is built upon ourConstitution which provides forjust governance through representationand guaranteed freedoms for thepeople. The idea that a government isgiven its legitimacy from thepeople (rather than the government to thepeople) is unprecedented andmerits appreciation, understanding, anddefense.

Our culture isdistracted and fragmented due to competing conceptsof meaning. In thelast 30 or 40 years we have seen the rise of anirrational and radicalultra-tolerance whereby any and all ideologiesare accepted because theyare different.

There is no value judgments placed upon theseideologies, even ifthey oppose our own because to do so would be todisplay intolerance;we are sacrificing our nation on the altar of amistaken and ignorantmisunderstanding of the functioning of humanity.

Radicaltolerance upon which multiculturalism and post-modernismrest is theidea that there is no truth which can be known, that all“truths” arerelative and a matter of opinion. This bizarre anti-self-legitimizationis linked inextricably with the denial of historyand the belief that weare somehow immune from the horrors of history’scycles if we are but“nice” (tolerant) enough. The abandonment ofimmigration controls isevidence of this abandonment of essentialtruths; for how can we preventthe entry of someone to our countrysimply because there is a differenceof opinion between them and theprevailing understanding of “good” inour culture let alone the laws ofthe land? Post-modernists would likelysay that such controls woulddemonstrate a lack of “kindness” and“tolerance” on our part. This ideaof radical baseless tolerance is oneof the consequences ofpost-modernism.

The rejection of allprevious concepts of truth and the rejection ofthe idea that truthitself can be known is what post-modernists areabout. We see a totallack of moral and ethical foundation across theculture because theculture is widely accepting of post-modernism. Forsuchanti-intellectuals there is no reason to limit immigration, noreason tocondemn ideologies that are hate-based, intolerant andviolent andopposed to our existence because we are no longer able tosay withconfidence that our “way” is good and worthy of defense andanotherought to be opposed or condemned.

The mistake so rife among post-modernists is that the processofdemocracy, voting, polling, debate, etc. is mistaken fordemocracyitself. The post-modernist is the voter who voted for theNSDAP (Naziparty) in 1933 and said, “Look! Democracy at work!” This isa deepmoral confusion because post-modernists are amoral.

Moralityand ethics are built upon surety. Doubt in the ability tolearn, toknow, to judge—and, in fact that “judging” itself isimmoral—is theessence of amorality.

As we doubt ourselves and pretend that welive in a world outsidehistorical forces and embrace the ridiculousnotion that, only withmore and more tolerance and openness, those whowish to destroy us willbe turned to friends completely forgets thelessons of history and ofmillennia of human and civilizationaldevelopment. Post-modernists areignorant Utopians whose ideas have nofoundations in history butinstead have a powerful and attractivemessage to a confused populaceoverwhelmed with data overload and theirown growing doubts aboutmeaning as essential and previouslyunassailable institutions acrossthe culture are de-constructed.

Itis not now known when the idea that certitude could beessentially wrong(or worse) and gained favor in our culture. Thishappened most assuredlyover only several generations; the Civil Wargeneration through theaftermath of WW2 into the Cold War had no suchconfusions as to thevalue of their society or country. We have somehowlost the firm beliefthat the United States and our Constitution areexceptional and worthyof defense. This loss of purpose andidentification must be accepted,challenged and overturned. We mustsoon return to the core concepts ofwhat America is, and what it meansto be American.

The post-modernmessage is attractive because it exists outside ofthe horrors ofhistory which include world war and holocaust and the“evil that mendo”. The essence of post-modernism is a radical totalityof acceptanceof differences and an abandonment of weighing differencesto come to aconclusion as to relative values. For post-modernistsrelative value isTruth, because there is no essential truth anymore.

Thebelievability of post-modernist thought itself is at stake whenthedoctrine of Islam is discussed and events such as Fort Hood and9/11 areplaced in an Islamic doctrinal context. The failure ofpost-modernism inthese and so many other cases is the founded in therefusal to placepeople and events in a rational and legitimatecontext; Utopianfantasies are no way to explain the world.

If it is true thatthere is a doctrinal basis for 9/11 and Fort Hood(there clearly is),then universal radical tolerance is impossible—forhow can radicaltolerance positively affect ideologically driven foeswhose purpose isthe destruction of the very concept of radicaltolerance itself andthose who support such concepts?

Post-modernists are unknowingself-haters. They are self-hatersbecause they will not dare to make anegative judgment about anideology that despises them and what theyunderstand life to be about.

We are in an existential conflictunderstood now by many more thanunderstood only a year ago.Post-modernism is a Utopian dream builtupon ignorance and wishfulthinking only; there is little that can besaid in its defense. If theworld functioned in the way thatpost-modernists and multiculturalistsbelieve that it does there wouldnot have been 9/11 or Fort Hood and thedoctrine of Islam would besomething other than what it is.

Post-modernismis a denial of truth and the ability of humans evento know “truth”. Inthe world of post-modernist relativism everythingis true and everythingis equivalent. This is an extreme radicalismthat we must oppose so thatrationality built upon knowledge andunderstanding can again ariseacross the country and the West.

To those who believe there istruth and untruth and accept thishistorically valid concept of thedichotomies of life which are“truth/untruth” and “good/evil”, the wayforward is both challengingand difficult. It is a comfort in a sense toknow that history and rawexperience is on the sideof knowledge andrationality; post-modernismand multiculturalism are irrational.

Thedenial of history, of the good and bad of humanity and thehorrors ofour experiences (9/11, Fort Hood, etc.), cannot long besustained bythose Utopians who prefer the world to be something otherthan what itis.

Those who know Islamic doctrine and understand that jihadistscommitatrocities because the doctrine of Islam commands them to do socannotlive in a post-modern/multicultural world because such a world isaUtopian fantasy.

If we accept the world for what it is (and notthe illusion of howwe would wish it to be) and if we compare ourselves,our government,and our Constitution with those of other lands presentand past, we cancome to a conclusion based upon knowledge that what wehave and who weare all worthy of defense.

If we accept the worldfor what it is and not for how we would wi**** to be, we can divine thetruth and accept that the clarity thatcomes with acceptance of realityis illuminating. We are not dreamersbut realists. We have the audacityto learn the doctrine of ourenemies, to discuss it, and to extrapolatefrom it so that we canunderstand events of the world in which we alllive.

The post-modernist and multiculturalist concepts of us andthe world(and our place in it) will fall away as the idea that truthcan beknown and understood again comes into fashion.

We arerationalists and students of reality; we are not dreamersliving in afantasy because we reject reality because it is impossiblyunpleasant.We accept that we cannot change the world by inviting thosewho woulddestroy us into our fantasies of universal radical toleranceandignorance.

We build our opposition to conditions today and toideologies ofhatred and violence on knowledge and acceptance ofreality. We acceptthe understanding that others have of themselves andof how they relateto us; we have friends, allies, and enemies.

Theessential truth of humanity and history has not changed; wewould prefera happier world but accept the world for what it is. Thisis ouraudacity; the audacity to speak the truth and challengefalsehoods andlies. We mourn our lost innocents and make them apromise that we willmake things better so that their tribulations,sacrifices and pain arenot in vain.

We are all learning, and sharing our knowledge. Thisis thefoundation of the future. A new year is approaching and wewelcome itwith great hope.



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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/27/2009 8:36:01 PM
As we are worrying in this thread of radical Islam, some of the details are emerging in regards to latest plane bombing attack.

A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience,talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight bysending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, werereturning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight onFriday.

Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.

Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning.

WhileMutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensivesuit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whetherMutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's fromSudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallabis Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garnersympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as aSudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referredMutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskelldidn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate anexplosive on the plane.

Haskell said theflight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flightattendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced theplane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seatto view the brewing commotion.

“I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,”said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started tospread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.”

Haskell,who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager,said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke andwhen Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers.

“He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.”


The ordeal has Haskell and hiswife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fireand the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for alanding, he said.

“Immediately, the pilot cameon and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that wasit. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell hefloored it.”

As Mutallab was being led out ofthe plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same manhe saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam.

Passengershad to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit theplane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours tobe interviewed by the FBI.

About an hourafter landing, Haskell said he saw another man being taken intocustody. But a spokeswoman from the FBI in Detroit said Mutallab wasthe only person taken into custody.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

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