Thanks Gary. As a non-gabler I most say I like Your writing, but one thing I can hear; I believe You are not making the money You hope fore doing networking, it shines true Your writing. Many MILLIONARES (REAL ONES) starts over again, and many of them cause they are like me - they HAVE to work the NM. And some of them do not have the kick - being on the highest mountain. personally do I know many of those who has started over again - cause of this, and NON of them are randomizers :-) To earn money You most use money, and to get to the money You most use more money and work for it. Ask me who works 16-20 hours a day - I would NOT done it if there was`nt for my obligation to my teams and friends - and if I did not earn money. Randomizers gives nickles, but the nice thing about this money - is that You get a lot more by using them on advertice as an example - and then Ads is FREE too :-) - and saved money will then be earned money too. Positive thoughts and believe - thats why some have success and most NOT! Take care.. Arild

Hey Gary, If this is the same logic you proposed with the math it escapes me. I think it is your same emotion which I have no arguement with. I am not defending AmWay, MLMs, the Paypal Randomizer or any other program specifically. I just feel you are putting a spin on your own reasoning just as you feel those you are opposed to are doing. What is the alternative you have to offer? Is it "Standard" Business structures? The culmination of the "Standare" Business structures is Big Business. Big business is its own pyramid scheme. When you look at it honestly, it really is except for one difference, you never will get a part of the action as the consumer. You will always be just that, the consumer. What you are so emotionally refuting is just as someone has stated earlier in this thread, a gamble. Any business is a gamble. Nothing is guaranteed. I know many small business owners that lost their business, lost everything. They were not in the business of Paypal Randomizers nor MLMs, just standard businesses. I will tell you one huge benefit that I have obtain from the MLMs I have tried. I have learned with everyone of them something to improve myself. You know what. WalMart relies on massive buyer. That is the bottom end of that scheme. If anything, your arguements can really be stretched over most of standard business practices. What do you mean "you guys"? I speak for myself. I am definitely not trying to get you to join any program.

I agree with You my friend Doc D A Best wishes from Your friend Professor in NM/MLM/KISS/MISS Arild

Hi Arild, You are spot on my friend. I spent nearly 10 years trying to make network marketing pay. I reached a very significant level but the income was never able to overtake the expenditure. And that was without allocating even 1 cent per hour to my time. When I did the mathematics I proved that 0.3% were the ones making the money while 99.7% lost money. Not co-incidentally, the ones making the money were also the ones that started the scheme plus a few select friends who they surrounded themselves with for a bit of what I call "insulation." But with respect to the Paypal Randomizer - I don't even like the connotation of the name. To me, that seems to suggest that people who work hard at it may not get rewarded while those who sit and do nothing may be rewarded. Arild, you mentioned: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "my obligation to my teams and friends" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That is a significant lever that these schemes use. They pitch the "loyalty" issue at every turn - look after your team, downline, upline etc. It's all part of the control measures. There is one thing that ALL network marketing companies use that is positive. They all promote books, tapes and functions where distributors are exposed to some of the finest motivational authors and speakers. That was one of the origins of my own website. So I am thankful for that. I am just wary of all these schemes now. I put in a massive effort with network marketing over 10 years. I know, first hand, the effort required. Sorry Linda, I'm not hijacking the forum on you. LOL! Gary Simpson PS: Arild, thank you for your compliments on my writing. I appreciate that.

Thank You Gary. I love to hear more from You another day - without "fighting" like this :-) Some does success - some don`t < focus and believe is the issue - but still most does`nt reach their goal. Someone has to be there for them and themself! Best regards from Arild