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Re: Hebrew is Greek! True or False?
11/10/2007 9:34:07 AM
Dear friends!

I have been on duty so I was not on line for 36 hours. Danielle, Sarah, Keith, Benton, Beth. Thank you for the inputs and the time you offer to find out the links, your research, and  for the answers.

This is  the way we work. We have a question and we are trying to argue either for or against. I will be on line for some hours today and be off line tomorrow, on duty again.

Beth good of you to give us links to both views of the question
HEBREW IS GREEK?

I will update the front page with more.
Here is an other question to find out what happened a couple of centuries after Jesus birth. Who is Josipus Flavious? What was his purpose? IS he the 1st step to Chrestians late r Christianity?
Let's see what we ca nfind out.

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Re: Hebrew is Greek! True or False?
11/10/2007 11:41:44 AM
Hi georgios,some findings on Flavius Josephus

Titus Flavius Josephus

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A Roman portrait bust said to be of Josephus
A Roman portrait bust said to be of Josephus

Josephus (37 – sometime after 100 AD),[1] who became known, in his capacity as a Roman citizen, as Titus Flavius Josephus,[2] was a 1st-century Jewish historian and apologist of priestly and royal ancestry who survived and recorded the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70. His works give an important insight into first-century Judaism.



Life

The Galilee, site of Josephus' governorship, in late antiquity.
The Galilee, site of Josephus' governorship, in late antiquity.

Josephus, who introduced himself in Greek as "Iosepos (Ιώσηπος), son of Matthias, an ethnic Hebrew, a priest from Jerusalem",[3] fought the Romans in the First Jewish-Roman War of 66-73 as a Jewish military leader in Galilee. After the Jewish garrison of Yodfat was taken under siege, the Romans invaded, killing thousands, and the remaining survivors who had managed to elude the forces committed suicide. However, in circumstances that are somewhat unclear, Josephus and one of his soldiers surrendered to the Roman forces invading Galilee in July 67. He became a prisoner and provided the Romans with intelligence on the ongoing revolt. The Roman forces were led by Flavius Vespasian and his son Titus, both subsequently Roman emperors. In 69, Josephus was released (cf. War IV.622-629) and according to Josephus's own account, he appears to have played some role as a negotiator with the defenders in the Siege of Jerusalem in 70.

In 71, he arrived in Rome in the entourage of Titus, becoming a Roman citizen and Flavian dynasty client (hence he is often referred to as Flavius Josephus - see below). In addition to Roman citizenship he was granted accommodation in conquered Judea, and a decent, if not extravagant, pension. It was while in Rome, and under Flavian patronage, that Josephus wrote all of his known works.

Although he only ever calls himself "Josephus", he appears to have taken the Roman nomen Flavius and praenomen Titus from his patrons.[4] This was standard for new citizens.

Josephus's first wife perished together with his parents in Jerusalem during the siege and Vespasian arranged for him to marry a Jewish woman who had been captured by the Romans. This woman left Josephus, and around 70, he married a Jewish woman from Alexandria by whom he had three male children. Only one, Flavius Hyrcanus, survived childhood. Josephus later divorced his third wife and around 75, married his fourth wife, a Jewish girl from Crete, from a distinguished family. This last marriage produced two sons, Flavius Justus and Simonides Agrippa.

Josephus's life is beset with ambiguity. For his critics, he never satisfactorily explained his actions during the Jewish war — why he failed to commit suicide in Galilee in 67 with some of his compatriots, and why, after his capture, he cooperated with the Roman invaders. Historian E. Mary Smallwood wrote:

(Josephus) was conceited, not only about his own learning but also about the opinions held of him as commander both by the Galileans and by the Romans; he was guilty of shocking duplicity at Jotapata, saving himself by sacrifice of his companions; he was too naive to see how he stood condemned out of his own mouth for his conduct, and yet no words were too harsh when he was blackening his opponents; and after landing, however involuntarily, in the Roman camp, he turned his captivity to his own advantage, and benefitted for the rest of his days from his change of side.[5]

However, his critics ignore the fact that Simon Bar Giora and John of Giscala, both extreme zealots and great opponents of Josephus, who stayed in Jerusalem and led the war against Rome in its final stage, in a moment of truth, preferred life over suicide and humbly surrendered to the Romans. At any rate, those who have viewed Josephus as a traitor and informer have questioned his credibility as a historian — dismissing his works as Roman propaganda or as a personal apologetic, aimed at rehabilitating his reputation in history. More recently, commentators have reassessed previously-held views of Josephus. As P.J. O'Rourke quipped,

Reason dictates we should hate this man. But it's hard to get angry at Josephus. What, after all, did he do? A few soldiers were tricked into suicide. Some demoralizing claptrap was shouted at a beleaguered army. A wife was distressed... all of which pale by comparison to what the good men did. For it was the loyal, the idealistic and the brave who did the real damage. The devout and patriotic leaders of Jerusalem sacrificed tens of thousands of lives to the cause of freedom. Vespasian and Titus sacrificed tens of thousands of more to the cause of civil order. Even Agrippa II, the Roman client king of Judea who did all he could to prevent the war, ended by supervising the destruction of half a dozen of his cities and the sale of their inhabitants into slavery. How much better for everyone if all the principal figures of the region had been slithering filth like Josephus.[6]

Josephus was unquestionably an important apologist in the Roman world for the Jewish people and culture, particularly at a time of conflict and tension. He always remained, in his own eyes, a loyal and law-observant Jew. He went out of his way both to commend Judaism to educated Gentiles, and to insist on its compatibility with cultured Graeco-Roman thought. He constantly contended for the antiquity of Jewish culture, presenting its people as civilised, devout and philosophical.

Eusebius reports that a statue of Josephus was erected in Rome.[7]

[edit] Significance to scholarship

The works of Josephus provide crucial information about the First Jewish-Roman War and are also important literary source material for understanding the context of the Dead Sea Scrolls and post-Second Temple Judaism. Josephan scholarship in the 19th and early 20th century became focused on Josephus' relationship to the sect of the Pharisees. He was consistently portrayed as a member of the sect, but nevertheless viewed as a villainous traitor to his own nation - a view which became known as the classical concept of Josephus. In the mid 20th century, this view was challenged by a new generation of scholars who formulated the modern concept of Josephus, still considering him a Pharisee but restoring his reputation in part as patriot and a historian of some standing. Recent scholarship since 1990 has sought to move scholarly perceptions forward by demonstrating that Josephus was not a Pharisee but an orthodox Aristocrat-Priest who became part of the Temple establishment as a matter of deference and not willing association (Cf. Steve Mason, Todd Beall, and Ernst Gerlach).

Josephus offers information about individuals, groups, customs and geographical places. His writings provide a significant, extra-biblical account of the post-exilic period of the Maccabees, the Hasmonean dynasty and the rise of Herod the Great. He makes references to the Sadducees, Jewish High Priests of the time, Pharisees and Essenes, the Herodian Temple, Quirinius' census and the Zealots, and to such figures as Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Agrippa I and Agrippa II, John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, and a disputed reference to Jesus. He is an important source for studies of immediate post-Temple Judaism (and, thus, the context of early Christianity).

A careful reading of Josephus' writings allowed Ehud Netzer, an archaeologist from Hebrew University, to confirm the location of Herod's Tomb after a fruitless search of 35 years - on top of tunnels and water pools at a flattened desert site, halfway up the hill to the Herodium, 12 kilometers south of Jerusalem - exactly where it should be according to Josephus writings.

For many years, the works of Josephus were printed only in an imperfect Latin translation from the original Greek. It was only in 1544 that a version of the Greek text was made available, edited by the Dutch humanist Arnoldus Arlenius. The first English translation appeared in 1602 by Thomas Lodge with subsequent editions appearing throught the 17th century. However, the 1544 Greek translation formed the basis of the 1732 English translation by William Whiston which achieved enormous popularity in the English speaking world and which is currently available online for free download by Project Gutenberg. Later editions of the Greek text include that of Benedikt Niese, who made a detailed examination of all the available manuscripts, mainly from France and Spain. This was the version used by H. St J. Thackeray for the Loeb Classical Library edition widely used today.

A 1640 edition of the works of Josephus translated by Thomas Lodge which originally appeared in 1602.
A 1640 edition of the works of Josephus translated by Thomas Lodge which originally appeared in 1602.

Works

A fanciful representation of Flavius Josephus, in an engraving in William Whiston's translation of his works
A fanciful representation of Flavius Josephus, in an engraving in William Whiston's translation of his works

Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Josephus


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Re: Hebrew is Greek! From Zeus to JHVH
11/10/2007 12:25:19 PM
Hello friends!

The Bible is not telling us the whole truth or it is hiding us serious information. In Bible GOD has mane names. WHY!. Is God equal to ELOCH, ELOHIM, AL, JHVH, BAAL, ADONAI. I wonder why Judaism uses so many variations for GOD.

Just writing our questions and get replies is not enough to find our the truth.

I will give you this to start this discussion:
THEOS<<DEUS<<ZEUS>>DJAUS>> JOVE (JUPITER)=JHVH.
Do these words have same root? YES

A friend sent me the Greek version of an ancient prayer. I am not sure if this is real because I have no sourse for it but what I can tell you is that the ancient words are real as I transfered the ιnto Englsih and the free translation I made below.

Christianity: THEOS means God, The Creator. JOVE or JUPITAR in the Roman pantheon is a variation of ZEUS of the Hellenic Pantheon. He was the highest of all gods but not the creator. In GREEK pantheon ZEUS is father of Gods and makind but not the creator. JHVH, In Judaism is God the Creator

JOVE, JU-Pitar, derives from Zeus pater means Zeus father.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God [ELOH] created the heaven and the earth.
ἐν ἀρχῇ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν

Who is ELOH[im] and YHVH. In Greek ΕΛΟΧ[ΕΙΜ]

Who was EL ΕΛ] (HEBREW ELOH singular, ΕΛΟΗΙΜ [ΕΛΟΧΕΙΜ] (Plural)
THe can not even spell it right.
 
HELLENIC ALPHABET IS CODED
We remember the roots of the aplhabet trough a  prayer
to God of Sundlight (se below)

HEWREW APLHABET IS CHILDSISH
and tells us about up and down alefs, betas and gamels
(Phoenician-Hebrew-Arameic alphabets)

THIS IS THE GREEK ALPHABET
A prayer to God of Light
Our hEL is God of Light and his earthy people (Laos)
are the hELLENES from hEL and laas is rounded and formed stone
(an earthy product)
makes HEL-LAS (ΕΛ-ΛΑΣ)
Greeks are the the people of EL

"ΑΛ ΦΑ ΒΗ ΤΑ
ΓΑ (Α)ΜΑ ΔΕ (Ε)Λ ΤΑ
ΕΨ ΙΛΩΝ. ΣΤ(Η) ΙΓΜΑ.
ΖΗ ΤΑ, Η ΤΑ, ΘΗ ΤΑ
ΙΩΤΑ ΚΑ ΠΑΛΑΜ ΔΑ.
ΜΗ ΝΥΞ Η,
Ο ΜΙΚΡΟΝ, ΠΥΡΟΣ ΙΓΜΑ
ΤΑΦΗ, (
ΕΨ)Ψ ΙΛΩΝ,
ΦΥ, ΨΥΧΗ
Ο ΜΕΓΑ!"
AL PHA BhE TA (be-ta)
GA(A)MA DE (E)L TA
EPS ILON, STE (IGMA)
Z
hE TA hE TA THhETA IOTA
KA PALAM DA
M
hE NYX hE
O MIKRON PYROS  IGMA
TAPH
hE, (EPS) ILON
PHY PSYCH
hE
O MEGA
Translation into modern Greek


Αλ, εσύ που είσαι το Φως, έλα στη Γη! Κι εσύ Ελ ρίξε τις ακτίνες σου στην ιλύ που ψήνεται (που βρίσκεται σε κατάσταση αναβρασμού). Ας γίνει ένα καταστάλαγμα (μια ξηρά) για να μπορέσουν τα Εγώ να ζήσουν, να υπάρξουν και να σταθούν
πάνω στην παλλόμενη Γη. Ας μην επικρατήσει η νύχτα, που είναι το μικρόν,
και κινδυνέψει να ταφεί (να σβήσει, να χαθεί) το καταστάλαγμα του πυρός μέσα στην αναβράζουσα ιλύ, και ας αναπτυχθεί η Ψυχή, που είναι το μέγιστο.

Translation into English
Al you who are the Light, come to earth, and you El throw your shines (rays) on the clay that hardens (burns) to make a land (sediement) to let the beings to settle down, to exist and to stay on the pulsing earth. Let not the darkness, which is the smallest with risks to extinguish the sediment in the fire of the burning clay and evolve the Soul wich is the greatest. A-Ω


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Re: Hebrew is Greek! True or False?
11/10/2007 4:46:05 PM
Hello,

I've come back, but I'm sorry, I haven't had time to get any info together yet.

I came to thank Benton for the book suggestion.

I doubt very much if I'd find it in my local library ( I live in the land of the French hillbillies would be one way of explaining why [in a tiny hill village with about 50 people]).

Who is the author?

There is a book shop in Rennes Le Chateau, now that I think about it, that may have such a book.

I did read your gardening tips, thanks and I commented.

Will be back soon, I hope.

Trying to get my book written! Time management!  Ooh la la!

Blessings,

Sarah


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Re: Hebrew is Greek! True or False?
11/10/2007 6:08:19 PM
Hello Benton!

Everything is OK and don't worry. I have been very busy with work thats why I did not come in earlier.

Thank you Benton, Danielle Sarah for the complementary information. There are Bible studies in this community and Prayer forums based on Bible. These friends don't like what I am doing here and honestly I respect them but don't care what they believe. I am born Hellenic, baptized Christian Orthodox. I believe in GOD (Theos, Deus, Dias, Zeus) but I have my own brain, a gift from my God to use it well to understand all mismatches here and there made by human hands (in conscious or unconscious status) while they wrote the Bible. Of course everyone may believe as he wants. Some just believe because they got a religion by their parents, others believe after what they really understand after their studies and there are some saying they are atheic or atheists.

Chrestianity turned to Christianity, a new Religion 325 BC. New Capital (New Rome), a new empire [ROMANIA (ΡΩΜΑΝΙΑ)] not today's Romania but the ROMAN EMPIRE with capital Kontantinoupolis, the ancient town Vizas.

Constantine's mother HELENE (St a Helena) was a very clever woman. I will give you an article on that later.

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