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Kathy Hamilton

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11/26/2006 3:26:10 PM
Hello my friends, Here is Information on the laws of Marriage and Government, these are the links that came up.THanks, Protecting Marriage Resources * 10.25.06 - Summary of the New Jersey Marriage Decision – Lewis v. Harris, A-68-05 * 07.27.06 - The U.S. Courts * 10.08.04 - Article V of the US Constitution * 10.08.04 - The Musgrave Amendment * 05.13.04 - Jay Sekulow's Testimony before the Judiciary Subcommitte on the Constitution regarding the Federal Marriage Amendment Legal Documents * 10.25.06 - Supreme Court of New Jersey - Brief of Monmouth Plastics, Corp., and John M. Bonforte Sr. as Amici Curiae In Support of Defendants–Respondents * 02.04.05 - Amicus Brief in Washington State Marriage Case FAQs * Will the bans in eleven states stop judges from ruling in favor of same-sex unions? * MORE Archived News Reports * 01.09.05 - Associated Press - Advocates on Ban on Same-Sex Marriage Seek Quick Action in Kansas Archived Press Releases * 11.22.05 - ACLJ Fights Efforts by Same-Sex Couples to Redefine Marriage - Brief Filed in CT Case * 11.22.05 - ACLJ Joins Legal Battle to Save Marriage in California * 02.04.05 - ACLJ asks Washington State Supreme Court to Uphold Marriage Between One Man and One Woman * 02.03.05 - ACLJ Encouraged by President Bush's Remarks on Values Issues in State of Union Address * 09.29.04 - On Eve of House Vote on Marriage Amendment - ACLJ Represents Nearly 600,000 Americans Who Call on House to Approve Amendment * 09.27.04 - Federal Marriage Amendment to Get Vote in House this Week -- ACLJ Petition of Support for Amendment Approaches 600,000 Americans * 09.17.04 - ACLJ Prepares for Vote in House on Federal Marriage Amendment with Nearly 550,000 Americans Signing Petition of Support * 08.17.04 - ACLJ Preparing for Vote in U.S. House on Federal Marriage Amendment with Over 500,000 Petition Names in Support of FMA * 07.21.04 - ACLJ Preparing for Vote in U.S. House on Federal Marriage Amendment with Nearly 500,000 Petition Names in Support of FMA * 07.14.04 - ACLJ Calls Cloture Vote on Federal Marriage Amendment in Senate "First Stage" of Lengthy Legislative Battle to Protect Institution of Marriage * 07.13.04 - ACLJ Notifies Senate that Nearly 450,000 People Have Signed Petitions in Support of Federal Marriage Amendment * 07.08.04 - ACLJ to Notify Senate Tomorrow that Nearly 415,000 People Support a Federal Marriage Amendment - Just Days Before Senate Considers the Measure * 05.13.04 - ACLJ Testifies Before Congressional Panel: Federal Marriage Amendment "Essential" * 05.07.04 - ACLJ Chief Counsel to Testify Before Congressional Panel on Need for Federal Marriage Amendment * 04.27.04 - ACLJ Files Legal Challenge on Behalf of a Group of Massachusetts Legislators to Stop the Mass. Supreme Judicial Court Decision Allowing Same-Sex Marriage * 03.30.04 - ACLJ Testifies Before Congressional Panel that Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is Constitutional * 03.15.04 - ACLJ Files Suit Against Asbury Park, New Jersey to Stop Same-Sex Marriage * 03.01.04 - ACLJ Calls on Congress to Approve Constitutional Amendment Preserving Marriage * 02.24.04 - ACLJ: President Bush's Support of Marriage Amendment "Critical" to Protecting Sanctity of Marriage * 02.20.04 - ACLJ Calls on California Officials to Enforce Law and Pursue Criminal Penalties Concerning Issuance of Same-Sex Marriage Licenses in San Francisco
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11/26/2006 3:37:39 PM

Hi Kathy,

I may not qualify to enter this discussion fully as I guess you are talking USA and government however I do have a view on the issue which might be helpful.

There is, I am sorry to say, a distinct difference between civil and religeous marriage.

Both are a comittment  made between two people to share their lives for love, support and procreation. The issue of civil parnerships between same sex couples being a separate issue and one which I'm sure will arise here but one which I think needs dealing with separately.

Marriage as I understand it is just what I said, a commitment to each other.

This commitment is a matter of personal choice and decision but should not be entered lightly. There are, of course, financial and business matters tied up in any legal marriage requirement as well as issues regarding present or future children.

I believe that any marriage agreement should be as fair and equal as posible to both parties and take into consideration the fact that one day the feelings of one or more partner might change. The law needs to be robust enough to defend any partner who has been unfairly treated and I beleive that there should be a broad base of discussion by an impartial group before a final ruling is made to dissolve such a partnership, one judge should not have the personal decision.

You in the States have always had State variations in law which sometimes makes for crazy situations but that also gives a wide choice of detail and committment making a ceremony and agreement a much more tailor made possibility. Right or wrong you can choose a religeous or civil wedding as long as it fits within the general framework of the national governments understanding.

I suggest that things be left as they are but with the removal of unfair clauses likely to benefit one partner.

There is a lot of room for other types of marriage to be given equal but different status within the law without compromising the standard institution.

Whether you are a Christian in all its official guises, a muslim a hindu, a jew, a.............. the list goes on but it should be recogniseable that the differences in the overall national view should be small., leaving it to the particular religeous group to fit within or modify the law. In an attempt to satisfy different groups the whole institution is being subjected to wider and wider definitions. This is not the way too go, check Europe, I assure you.

Lets keep the definition simple and strong and allow different groups the say in what they want as long as it is within existing law. If law needs changing in different areas then so be it. I am now a champion of the majority but will defend the right of the minority to have a voice and the right to be heard.

Please dont allow this institution of marriage to be debased further. Respect each other and keep up a dialogue, please.

Roger

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11/26/2006 3:38:23 PM
HI Kathy

This issue has been discussed and acted upon in at least one
country that I know of. Some laws were passed to make it
legal for any two people to have legal marriage.

I understand from what I have read and seen in the news
that it caused a number of problems for that country.

It goes beyond beliefs and Religion. The issue is
in the basic roots of civilization itself outside of moral
belief. The family unit and the extended family
is the basic unit. Then comes the structure that
forms the sustainability of the tribe. We move
on to the more advanced concepts of city units
and then connect them to a single governmental
body which keeps the cities in order within the
country.

These are basic building blocks of the social order
of the civilised world. If you modify the basic
unit, then the domino effect magnifies this
change until there are breaks in the governmental
bodies that regulate services, entitlements
and laws to protect the citizen and thier
respective rights to the governmental
bodies.

Ad this effect to the normal corruption
of government by human nature and
we begin to have significant problems
keeping the government intact.

What seems to be a logical innocent idea
becomes a liability.

"No one has it
quite figured out just yet"

Alanis Morrisette

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11/26/2006 4:05:34 PM

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11/26/2006 4:20:00 PM
11-27-2005 Tasmania - Australia
 
Dear AdlandPro Friends .
 
 
I like what Mr. Rudy Hiebert write
 
" If that is true, then we are in deep trouble because legislators are not the ones who should regulating the definition of marriage because they are generally short on wisdom and intelligence."
 
Just take your wows you are all ready under legislation to your husband :) remind your self of it. We need more legislation on this matter? Will any legislator come and sorted your problems in marriage or give you more money, the world need to be reed of of any more legislations. All ready there is too much of them, such waste.
Warm Regards Eva
 
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