Helen, I must say I was very surprised to see you supporting wealth redistribution, or as you prefer to call it, "wealth repayment", because as a Christian that is not supported by Biblical teachings. This is nothing more than envy, “a feeling of discontent or covetousness with regard to another’s advantages, success, possessions, etc.” The Bible also agrees with this definition. Each of us has arrived at this point in our lives by the decisions we've made, whether right or wrong, during our life time. I know personally that if I had made different choices, like getting a better education, I would most likely be in a much better position financially and otherwise. I can't blame my wrong choices on anyone but myself and never would I ask anyone, that has more than I do, to give me part of it. I was fortunate to have parents who instilled certain values in us and one of those values was to work for what we wanted. We never asked nor expected anyone to give us anything. Many people who think the world owes them the basics of life, have a history of making poor life choices with bad consequences, including poor choices regarding education. The taxpayers of this land do not owe me anything and the vast majority of our government’s interventions in our lives robs us of a sense of our own personal responsibility. Neither I nor my children are entitled to a college education, free health care, free food, free housing, etc. In fact, as a Christian, I have promises from my God “to supply all my needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus.” Have a wonderful weekend. :) Quote:
Hello Peter
I think what I was trying to say that we have been doing nothing over the last 50 years about anything and the Occupiers are doing something about what bothers them which may or may not be the debt and other issues. Everything I was saying was meant to be a generality. I did tend to lump it all together and I should have clarified that.
I saw a few Occupiers interviewed and generally it was conceded that not all of them had the same issues that they wanted addressed but some of them made a lot of sense. A few didn't and of course, I understand that the liberal-biased media would slant the stories.
People keep mentioning the redistribution of wealth as some sort of sin. When it comes to distributing wealth, I think a lot of these people who want wealth distribution are calling it the wrong thing. A lot of them DID work for it and the vultures (so-called elite) came along and stole it and all of us have the right to have what was ours if it is stolen from us, right??? It should be called wealth repayment. I wonder how well-off most of us would be it the money had not been stolen from us.
It wasn't right that the CEOs were being paid several millions per year and bonuses on top of that. No one can convince me that they weren't stealing from us. There is only so much money to go around in a corporation and if it is grabbed by the few at the top, it sooner or later will make the company go down the toilet. They steal these millions in salaries and bonuses and then when the company is going under they are stealing MORE from us in the way of bailouts. The first thing they did is not only pay themselves salaries but ALSO BONUSES. I demand that some of that stolen money be redistributed back to me and the rest of the people.
Another example is the central banking systems. The US and Canada's central banks at one time belonged to us, the people. Then a few already-wealthy people got together and stole these central banks from us and then instead of us paying interest to our own central bank that we owned, we are now paying interest on our respective governments debts to these vultures. They didn't do this for our good. They did it for their interests of getting more and more money and more than that, getting control of us and our government. I don't blame people for wanting that money back.
Do you know that we would have to pay around 75% to 90% less income tax if we had not given our banks away?
Don't tell me that this wealth should not be given back to us. Also a lot of the Occupiers do have jobs and professions. They are sick of pay, pay, pay while the rich pay less (percentage wise) than their secretaries. They are having a tough time making ends meet because taxes and fees are skimmed off of the top. Even before they pay their rent or mortgage, before they even can buy groceries for their families and before they buy shoes for their kids, the government takes theirs first mostly from the middle class while the rich are paying less and they are paying more and more and more. Even Warren Buffett says he gets away with paying less tax than the people who work for him. To his credit, he does not think this is right. It would be interesting to know what, if anything, is he doing about it. What is stopping him, for example, from paying his people bonuses?
The elite vultures are also responsible for creating a dam of the money. Instead of it being spent and circulated and kept flowing, it is hoarded and held back like a dam. When a dam is built, it holds back a big reservoir of the water so the rivers below it are drying up and fish don't live there (they are all in the reservoir and not allowed to get past the dam and downstream where the people live). This hurts everyone downstream. In the same way, the vultures hold back the money from going downstream from them. I shouldn't call them vultures. Vultures have more usefulness than these putrid elite.
Yes, if I became wealthy I would not like someone telling me I have to share it with others. However, it is exactly what I would be doing. My wealth would be kept flowing. I would not just be giving handouts. My goal would be more to help people get to where they can help themselves ...a handup. But that is another story.
We are given to understand that these big corporations know better than we do how to invest the money and yet it has been proven over and over again that it is the small businesses that provide more jobs but the corporations cannot stand the competition ...as you know.
I realize this is not a political forum and I do not think these are political issues. At least, in my mind it is non-partisan issues that all should be interested . I also admit that I have not been following the Occupy Movement as much as should if I want to comment on it so now I am going to shut up.
I began to realize that maybe our talks were taking a political turn ,however, so I posted some videos to "change the subject" if you will.
Have a good day!
Helen
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Hi Helen,
I read your post about debt and the occupiers being the only ones talking about reducing the debt and I was a bit surprised. Quote:
Who dreamt we would have the debt we now have and everyone is still more or less silent except for the Occupiers. The occupiers couldn't care less about the debt and it's not even on their agenda. The only people talking about reducing the debt and the size of the government is the Tea Party.
The main cause of the occupiers is the redistribution of wealth. A totally communistic approach of getting their fair share of your dime with out working for it.
I refrained from posting about this and other political issues here since this isn't a political forum but sort of a no mans land where people of different political beliefs can come and discuss all sorts of topics excluding politics. There are enough threads dealing with politics and conspiracy theories and I was happy to see this thread bringing every body together from opposite sides of the political spectrum and having fun with each other.
I've written extensively on the occupy movement with accompanying articles and I invite you to read my latest post today about the occupy movement rejecting their religious supporters and left wing Christian groups and Churches that support the occupy movement. You can read it here.
Shalom,
Peter
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