Hi Bogdan,

I know the guy was found guilty of many finance related charges, happens to the evangelists all the time. I found him quite humorous as well. But facts are facts.

I know plenty of intellectuals with degrees slinging hamburgers at McDonald's. So being an intellectual must be a real asset with those cash machines with only pictures for keys, don't you think?

So are you suggesting the guy didn't sell those gases to the Nazis? You think it is above the guy's status? Your statement "When war started, Karol Józef Wojtyła wasat first year student of Jagiellonian University and he wasintellectual all his life. He spoke fluently 16 languages. His parentswere well off enough to pay his university and he never needed to be asalesmen, kind of like you are." IS patently wrong and BULLS*HIT

In 1938 Karol Wojtyla started studying in the University Jagiellonski,which was closed down in the beginning of the World War 2 by theGermans. He then worked in a quarry (1940-1944) and in the "Solvay"chemical factory in order to avoid being deported to Germany. DuringWW2 Karol Wojtyla was also studying in a secret Catholic seminary andwas active in an "underground liberation movement" in a "RhapsodyTheatre".

NOTE: He is also rumored to have been the salesman of the gas used in the gas chambers. But much of that information has been washed away, but he did do non-intellectual work! And was possibly the salesman of poison gas to the Nazis:

As for the rest of your post, is unrelated to the topic and deserves only this response.

The possibility of such income is there, though not typical as in any endeavor. If you have issues with what is stated then I suggest you take it up with the owner of that company. I am a happy beneficiary of the benefits offered, and yes the checks are regular and on time. Never been told an affiliate must have already had a cookie embedded on their PC as I have been told here long ago.

Jim Allen

PS:

There's no shame in being a "salesman" and Adland wouldn't have any reason to exist if it wasn't comprised of many sales people trying to sell their products. Is hypocrisy the name of the game now???

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Hi Jim,

I want to give you a response to the video you have included in your last post to me.
You said.

You certainly know how to stretch a storyand fail to research your history. You also fail to recognize theirintentions to kill all infidels including "Catholics" which you claimto be. Whoops the Catholics are in cahoots with the Islamist these daysit seems, too?

Kent Hovind is Crazy #8: Catholics created Islam Bogdan PAY Special Attention to 7:12 minutes into the video, thanks.

This is quite interesting what this guy was saying and I even started having fun watching him.

Also I have found one not about Kent Hovind.

Kent Hovind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since November 2006 Hovind has been serving a ten-year prison sentence in the Federal Correctional Institution, Edgefield in Edgefield, South Carolina,after being convicted of 58 federal counts, including twelve taxoffenses, one count of obstructing federal agents and forty-five countsof structuring cash transactions.

I would like to congratulate you on researching and using your sources. You are providing a guy who has been convicted of 58 federal counts and you want me to listen to 7:12 as a sure thing.

When war started, Karol Józef Wojtyła was at first year student of Jagiellonian University and he was intellectual all his life. He spoke fluently 16 languages. His parents were well off enough to pay his university and he never needed to be a salesmen, kind of like you are.

Here are some links to news articles on Kent Hovind.

Kent Hovind: Evangelist arrested on federal charges
Kent Hovind, ‘Dr. Dino,’ guilty on all counts

Jim I would suggest that you get back to your marketing and selling and offering people to make $32,000 a month with your help. I guess this is the area which fits you quite well and the claims you make are very similar to your scientific sources which you are providing here, but nobody will question you there.

By the way soon you won't be able to pay for the paper on which $32,000 was printed, once your beloved bankers from wall street start losing the ground. I guess your claims will be true then. Keep up the good work. WallStreet Banksters need patriots like you.

Bogdan Fiedur

Hello My Friends!

Greetings to all, I’ve been gone for some time and have somecatching up to do here in AdlandPro.

You have a very hot and interesting debate going on here. Inthe interest of preserving Peace I would like to bring to your attention the factthat the Golden Rule is taught in one shape or form in just about all the religions:

	Bahá'í Faith: "Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf
	Brahmanism: "This is the sum of Dharma [duty]: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517 "
	Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353 Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18
	Christianity: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version. "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version. "...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas is one of about 40 gospels that circulated among the early Christian movement, but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).
	Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23 "Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3 "Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4
	Ancient Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to circa 1800 BCE and may be the earliest version of the Epic of Reciprocity ever written. 3
	Hinduism: This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1517
	Humanism: "(5) Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity." "(11) Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. " 4 "Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society. 3
	Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 5
	Jainism: "Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2. "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara "A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33
	Judaism: "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18 "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a. "And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 6
	Native American Spirituality: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace. "All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk "Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself." Pima proverb.
	Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."
	Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form" "Be charitable to all beings, love is the representative of God." Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga
	Sikhism: Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib "Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259 "No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299
	Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.
	Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien. "The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49
	Unitarian Universalism:

"Theinherent worth and dignity of every person;"
"Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.... "
"The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;"
"We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of allexistence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles. _7,8

	Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede
	Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."
	Zoroastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5 "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29

Some philosophers' statements are:

	Epictetus: "What you would avoid suffering yourself, seek not to impose on others." (circa 100 CE)
	Kant: "Act as if the maxim of thy action were to become by thy will a universal law of nature."
	Plato: "May I do to others as I would that they should do unto me." (Greece; 4th century BCE)
	Socrates: "Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." (Greece; 5th century BCE)
	Seneca: "Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your superiors," Epistle 47:11 (Rome; 1st century CE)

Examples from moral/ethical systemsare:

	Humanism: "...critical intelligence, infused by a sense of human caring, is the best method that humanity has for resolving problems. Reason should be balanced with compassion and empathy and the whole person fulfilled." Humanist Manifesto II; Ethics section.
	Scientology: "20: Try to treat others as you would want them to treat you." This is one of the 21 moral precepts that form the moral code explained in L. Ron Hubbard's booklet "The Way to Happiness."

Why is it then that we can’t just get along (as Rodney Kingonce said)?

The only thing we have to fear is hate that is runningrampant. If we all just practiced the ‘Golden Rule’ more often we would winover some of these radicals who are just misguided individuals. The onlyMuslims we have to fear are the radicals who are close minded. If you love yourfellow Muslim, Jew, Christian, etc. we will all live in Peace. We can’t appearto be attacking all Muslims because all we will be doing is giving the goodMuslims a reason to convert to the radical sect of the religion. The GoldenRule is something that is in imbedded in our DNA, something God put there. Itspeaks to our spirit, it tells us that is the way we ought to treat each other.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my studies is that somemen are liars and others are individuals who are passionate about things theydon’t really understand. Because of this men have added their own beliefs tothe religion they follow. The one thing that is constant and true is the GoldenRule, a lot of the other stuff in the so called holy books is concocted bymisguided individuals or just downright hateful people. So many teachings havebeen borrowed from one religion or another and more religions are still beingcreated. But we know what is right and wrong, and evil does exist, but we won’tquench evil by spreading more hate. We will only win over are neighbors withlove. Let everyone practice their own religion but no one should forget thatthe most important rule is the Golden Rule (other than the one that says weshould love our God with all our might).

Love and blessings to all of you from,

John R. Sanchez

Your Goodwill Ambassador

Hmmm! I don't know what is going on here but my post did not translate correctly on the forum. I see a lot of the words a are connected to together and were the dots (bullets) were the word bullet appears. Strange. I hope you can decipher this mess.

Sincerely,
John

NOTE:He is also rumored to have been the salesman of the gas used in the gaschambers. But much of that information has been washed away, but he diddo non-intellectual work! And was possibly the salesman of poison gasto the Nazis:

Show me any other source claiming this except the Kent Hovind slides.
As we know he cheated Americans for close to $1 million. Didn't he cheat this time? hmmmm.
I'm not sure if he can be trusted. Definitely he is not smart enough, knowing that he is very controversial and at the same time not paying taxes. Average intelligent person would know that if you fight with the fire, you will be burned with the fire and you should expect it. Since he doesn't seem to understand this, the things he is saying are not very reliable.



By the way it was the Nazies who produces the poison gas. Why would they need a Polish salesmen who sell it to them?

Can you still reason or I'm expecting too much from you?
Since this discussion started, reasoning wasn't the strongest part of your arguments. Mostly personal attacks on the opposing party (me) and lack of substance, if anything than mostly rumors like you said yourself above. Can I call you the rumor guy from this point on?

Here it says,

Cyclon B was produced by the German firm "Degesch," whose profits from sales of the gas from 1941-1944 exceeded 300,000 German Marks ($500,000 U.S.). The heirs of this fortune are still alive today.

So not only it wasn't IG Farben like you criminal friend Kent Hovind says, but it was "Degesch". Oopps. So far your story doesn't hold the ground.

Wow, there is a version of American Degesh too.
http://www.degeschamerica.com/

Let's keep digging and see if there was any association of that company to produce poison gas for Nazies. I will keep you posted.
Anyway thanks for bringing this to my attention.


You can check some of the links here for your convenience.
Let me know if you find anything incriminating, this might help a bit with your own credibility.

You didn't impress me with your unreliable claims of making outrageous incomes.
I will do some digging about this company soon and their claims.


Bogdan Fiedur

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Hmmm! I don't know what is going on here but my post did not translate correctly on the forum. I see a lot of the words a are connected to together and were the dots (bullets) were the word bullet appears. Strange. I hope you can decipher this mess.

Sincerely,
John

Hello John,

Welcome back and I am honored that you chose to share in my thread. This editor jumbles words together when you copy and paste. We always have to go back in and correct these or simply leave them and hope folks ciphering skills are active.

I agree with your "Golden Rule", however, when it appears that the "book" itself seems to imply, at least by the "clerics" definitions that all must convert, become enslaved a "dhimmi", or be annihilated, it makes you wonder where all the moderate believers stand on this. So far very few have spoken up or out for fear of being cast as an apostate and suffer the same fate as an infidel.

Bringing attention to this fact is key or by simple numbers folks of different faiths and religions like your own will cease to exist.

My genetic makeup says this is not God's will and we must stand up, speak out and hope we are heard before stronger measures of sheer survival is necessary. I am sure you would agree or at least understand this position.

I have done my own discerning and see the above as a distinct possibility and the moderates of the faith seem to have no backbone to speak out even though they know in their hearts and being, that what is being taught is not righteous. Nor do they adhere to their own golden rule?

When they aren't killing us, they mistreat and stone their women and kill each other.

If speaking about it riles them up further then they must agree with the teachings of these "radical clerics".

You know in the case of our President Barack Hussein Obama, he spent 20 years attending a church, where hate for America was spewed directly from the pulpit. Unfortunately our President only chose to detach himself from this hate filled pulpit, after he became a candidate for the highest office in the land. And after Jermiah Wright's rantings were publicized. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Was he right in sitting there for 20 years as a loyal member of this congregation, knowing this vile was being spewed from Reverend Wright's mouth? I think not and decidedly do not believe our president in this and many other matters.

I choose to speak up and let others know of the abnormalities of his character. Am I wrong for bearing witness? I don't think so.

Nor do I believe I am wrong, warning of the threat from "Radical Islam". How about you?

Jim Allen III