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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
1/18/2010 10:17:55 AM
PS Jim & Peter (USA population) can`t understand USA politics, than by having their own peel bitten by their beloved source of world`s example of democracy. They can`t understand Irak, Iran, Afghanistan ..... Kosovo, Serbia ..... They must have their own personal wounds to have a real picture. So, if I wish to express my love and appreciation for those people, I`d applaud their willingness to find out (their own) truth. GUYS, GO AND FIGHT AGAINST ISLAMIC TERRORISM ! But never forget the SWARD has a 2 sharp sides.

Frog and dove are both alive.
Frog can`t than look from the beneath, and dove, even though is able to look from beneath & above :), their picture would never being the same .


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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
1/18/2010 4:35:07 PM
Bogdan, as expected you lived up to expectations and made this travesty look like an American caused problem.

After having to admit your "heart" has no alternative plan either. Just more America bashing so as not to face the issue nor the topic of this thread. Which is the threat of Radical Islam, you have failed to prove any argument. Your tact is to show America as the worlds bad guy.

Let me ask you one thing. Where are all the Muslims, offering assistance and aid to the Haitians? Or do they see this as competition for attention to their own dire straits.

Doing nothing is as bad as doing the wrong thing and you seem to be missing that point. For all our mistakes we keep trying.

Another point you FAIL to acknowledge is the fact that there is a "Progressive Faction" in both parties and many times these have been exposed and discussed here. We know these "Progressives" have hijacked us from the inside and we are in the process of waking up. Proof is the senate race in Massachusetts.

Yet you fail to acknowledge any of this.

You do seem take every opportunity to call us fascists and communists. I am insulted by that to say the least. I haven't called you or your countrymen anything defamatory, during this discussion.

I am incensed by your continued insinuation that I, or my countrymen may be Fascists or Communists. Should I declare jihad on you and yours for such insults? Of course not. As I realize your posts are meant to be educational and informative, from your perspective. Even if they are inflammatory to the Average American's perspective.

Personally I have moved through that and can relate to your fears and concerns regarding our "Progressives In Power".

Our forefathers gave us something that is easily frittered away, but also something worth defending. We cannot erase the past, but we can change and are changing the future, as it is never written till the present.

However , that does not erase the existence of threats such as those by "Radical Islamic Extremists" and their converts. Which too threatens American Freedoms and yes, they (Progressives, Radical Islam and their converts) may be in bed together.



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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
1/18/2010 6:36:25 PM
Hello Friends,

I know discussions can be intense at times but this is a Holiday here in America and the following article has a place here. As does Dr. Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech.


What I remember most is his last speech and the reaction of the people around me. Including in my own home, I was almost 10 when Dr. King delivered his last speech.


In those days it seemed like everyone was just mad at each other all the time. And from my perspective, confusing as hell. I was a military brat, so there were always a multi-cultured and racial makeup. Being kids we all got along, though hard sometimes due to parental influences and restrictions. These reflections are good as is the following article.

Martin Luther King Jr. Held These Truths. Do You?

Posted January 18th, 2010 at 8:56am in First Principles 0 Print This Post Print This Post

On August 28, 1963, Martin Luther King Jr. stood at the Lincoln Memorial and admonished America to return to its First Principles. In his I Have a Dream Speech, he announced his dream that “one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’” He longed to see a day when all “would be guaranteed the ‘unalienable Rights’ of ‘Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.’” Dr. King did not talk about remaking America. His dream was one which, in his words, was “deeply rooted in the American dream.” It hearkened back to the principles upon which our country was founded. It was not a rejection of our past, but a vision of hope based on the principles of our past.

Dr. King held firm to the truths of the Declaration of Independence in a time when the situation of African Americans appeared hopeless. Based on a series of arbitrary and unjust policies, African Americans were denied basic protections of the rule of law. Segregation prevented access to public accommodations, and many were reduced to poverty as a result of these injustices. Dr. King did not ask African Americans to be satisfied with their condition, nor did he denounce America as an unjust nation. Instead, Dr. King assured his listeners that their circumstances were contrary to America’s creed. He used the central principle of the Declaration – natural human equality – as a rallying cry for civil rights.

Dr. King held that the principle of human equality is the foundation of the Declaration’s statement of natural rights. We are all equal because we all participate in a common human nature. Since we are all equal, we are all entitled to the basic rights that are derived from human nature. From these First Principles, Dr. King understood that all Americans—regardless of skin color—should have access to the rule of law, public accommodations, and thereby have the ability to pursue economic opportunities and, ultimately, happiness.

But Dr. King did not think that the principle of equality meant that everyone should be treated the same. He sought equality of rights and equality before the law, not equality of outcomes or equality as a result. For Dr. King, justice was when a person is judged “by the content of their character” rather than by arbitrary considerations such as skin color. Dr. King did not mean that we should treat people of good character and bad character the same. Actual equality is achieved when arbitrary standards are replaced by meaningful criteria such as talent and virtue. A just country, in Dr. King’s vision, is one in which people are rewarded for acting well.

As Americans, we should take this lesson from Martin Luther King Jr. to heart: we should look to our First Principles to guide us through our current political problems. In his latest book, We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future, Matthew Spalding articulates ten core principles of America that define our national creed and explain our common purpose: These principles are equality, natural rights, consent of the governed, religious liberty, private property, rule of law, constitutionalism, self governmentand independence. Spalding writes:

Only when we know these principles once again can we renew America. Only when we understand the significance of these principles can we grasp the nobility of our accomplishments as a people and see how far we have strayed off our course as a nation. Only then can we realize the societal choices before us and begin to develop a strategy to reclaim our future.

The future of America rests on returning to its First Principles. We face an unprecedented expansion of government power and a new kind of tyranny – a softer, bureaucratic tyranny. As we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day, let us rely on our First Principles as a guide for the challenges we face ahead.

Quick Hits:

  • “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” – Martin Luther King Jr. August 28, 1963
  • “If a man hasn’t discovered something that he will die for, he isn’t fit to live.” – Martin Luther King Jr. June 23, 1963
  • “One day the South will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters they were in reality standing up for the best in the American dream and the most sacred values in our Judeo-Christian heritage, and thusly, carrying our whole nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the founding fathers in the formulation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.” – Martin Luther King Jr. April 1963
  • Martin Luther King’s Conservative Legacy
  • The Conservative Virtues of Dr. Martin Luther King

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
1/18/2010 8:55:29 PM
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Bogdan, as expected you lived up to expectations and made this travesty look like an American caused problem.

After having to admit your "heart" has no alternative plan either. Just more America bashing so as not to face the issue nor the topic of this thread. Which is the threat of Radical Islam, you have failed to prove any argument. Your tact is to show America as the worlds bad guy.

Let me ask you one thing. Where are all the Muslims, offering assistance and aid to the Haitians? Or do they see this as competition for attention to their own dire straits.

Doing nothing is as bad as doing the wrong thing and you seem to be missing that point. For all our mistakes we keep trying.

Another point you FAIL to acknowledge is the fact that there is a "Progressive Faction" in both parties and many times these have been exposed and discussed here. We know these "Progressives" have hijacked us from the inside and we are in the process of waking up. Proof is the senate race in Massachusetts.

Yet you fail to acknowledge any of this.

You do seem take every opportunity to call us fascists and communists. I am insulted by that to say the least. I haven't called you or your countrymen anything defamatory, during this discussion.

I am incensed by your continued insinuation that I, or my countrymen may be Fascists or Communists. Should I declare jihad on you and yours for such insults? Of course not. As I realize your posts are meant to be educational and informative, from your perspective. Even if they are inflammatory to the Average American's perspective.

Personally I have moved through that and can relate to your fears and concerns regarding our "Progressives In Power".

Our forefathers gave us something that is easily frittered away, but also something worth defending. We cannot erase the past, but we can change and are changing the future, as it is never written till the present.

However , that does not erase the existence of threats such as those by "Radical Islamic Extremists" and their converts. Which too threatens American Freedoms and yes, they (Progressives, Radical Islam and their converts) may be in bed together.



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Former US Presidents don't want to waste good crises and want to make a buck or two for their friends at JP Morgan and Goldman-Sachs from this. See this grotesques show.







Hi Jim,


Your forum name is "Everything is Open for Discussion - Let's Talk in the Kitchen"
This tells me that you are ready to hear the true facts and that you are ready to accept what the truth brings with it.

Starting the forum which has as its objective to point the blame to somebody else, from definition causes that somebody will take offense from it. You were attempting to show that radical Islam is the problem we are facing today, and I have contradicted you by saying that this is your countries foreign policies which are responsible for it and that your enemies are in buildings of Federal Reserve, Pentagon and the White House.
This is still my line of reasoning. I had to show you multiple examples from history to prove my point.

I have shown you that above entities (I don't want to call them Americans because I know that average American doesn't understand how they really function so they are not really representative of them) were causes of major disasters caused by humans to humans in last 100 years.

USA and UK governments have caused more than 90% of suffering in the last 200 years of history of our race. Through colonies, slavery, looting, exploitation, wars, banking systems, so called International organization like IMF, World Bank. Phony disguised relieve initiatives have stolen entire wealth of this world and created slavery of 21st century where 90% of our efforts are used towards maintaining this slavery system.

I'm sorry that you feel that I made derogatory remarks, but this remarks were not towards you or people in your country and by the way they are not remarks, they are facts. With all the respect to you, I don't believe you have contributed to any of this directly or knowingly. You are just as all of us, trying to make sense of all of this and in my opinion all you are doing is just proverbial "barking at the wrong tree".

You believe that you have elected the government which runs America. As I have told you many times, you didn't. You were just ripped of. This is not your government, this is government of criminals, like Rockefeller, Rothschild, JP Morgan, Goldman-Sachs and the Presidents are their agents, who do all the criminal work through agencies like CIA and Homeland Security.

If you can't see that, I hope that over 4000 views to this thread has opened eyes to some other people.

I can't change your views, but I will be bringing you more and more facts as times goes on to show you that the greatest devil of all, lives in your country. It used to be in UK.

The information I provide here is for all to view and hopefully this will help with bringing more awareness to larger group of people so they understand who their true enemy is.

The Bush, Clinton and Obam pledge to run the fund-raising for Haiti shows only how far the hypocrisy can go and how they have you all around their fingers.
Two war criminals who brought Haiti to its knees are now wanting to handle money donated by the public and help poor people there. If you want that any of the money riches needs of Haiti, Bush and Clinton should be the last two people handling it.

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1/18/2010 9:05:44 PM
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Canada doesn't want to stay behind with their friends in Washington.




Very funny but only proves that the insurgency and threats from terror mongers affects us all. Also as you see the typical terrorist profile is still not used to screen passengers.

The Politically Correct and that includes Canadians, crowd that is afraid to single out a group of people so grandma in a walker and wheelchair must go through pat down searches. Notice no terrorists grandmothers have been caught in these searches. So they must be WORKING to keep terrorist grandmas from even attempting to breach the security



For me only proves that fascism is taking hold of our lives. Gestapo kind of police is just around the corner. I've been through this already in 1980's and years before it and after it in Poland.

Bogdan


Bogdan,


How fascism (or anything other) works?

SIMPLY, EMPLOYING PEOPLE TO BE PRO OR CONTRA. By being PRO or CONTRA your life is their prisoner (slave) , and all the differences come with a kind of recognition you possibly could earn (as a deserved servant, or as an enemy).

New mindset (which will "deliver" new resources of energy and a new share among humans, and YOU mentioned them here) ABSTRACTS POLLUTED FORCES. IT (new mindset) requires a co-creator`s attitude, not a factograph`s . HOW CAN YOU MOVE FORWARD, HAVING YOUR HEAD TURNED BACKWARDS? Getting to understand how a new resources of energy and a total new way of share are possible, without changing your standard beliefs and attitude, converts those beliefs into a delusion. New mindset brings a beautiful and rich variety of co-creating reality. This old video-game (predestined, reality of the proves and questions) is going to it`s end. Those enough mature to continue the journey, will find their places. Those with a lower abilities to participate, should be left behind, until they do not rich maturity.

Dedicating your TIME AND ENERGY (better known as YOUR LIFE), it makes no difference IF IT IS PRO OR CONTRA. You willingly GIVE YOURSELF TO THAT GOAL.

I liked your words about your beliefs in God .
I consider THAT SUPREME INTELLIGENCE a CREATOR.
Creator is BEYOND POLLUTED REALITY.

New mindset is something what you understand quite good.

Now just employ yourself with it.

You can`t change Jim and others. You can`t provide them ANY information which will make them to accept your points. What you can, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THEIR SCREAMING FOR WAR, giving them a reasonable proves to try to avoid it. PLEASE REMEMBER, what is a biggest enemy of truth is a REASONABLE HUMAN MIND. It asks for the proves to compose their beliefs. Well, it`s the way to become factograph, a force of one side. Co-creator creates, knowing WHAT AND HOW .Go beyond reason. YOU ARE ABLE..

Peace never comes being AGAINST WAR, but BEING EMBRACED BY IT. Getting to know it.

They must gather their own experience. I wished I can avoid a personal approach to the present discussion. Following your efforts Bogdan, (and I perfectly understand how well-intended they are ), I couldn`t but see my old good father, who`s main goal entire life has been to protect me from suffering.
Alas! He did his best to multiply the suffering for the both of us. Fortunately, here you can`t achieve any failure of that kind.
Guys didn`t live in Eastern Europe. Pity or not, they are begging to learn what the two of us already have learned. How (and WHY) to prevent them to ........... have their lessons?

Respectfully ,

Anton Petrovci




Hello Anton,

This is great post.
As I have stated in my previous post to Jim, my hope is that there are other people who are reading it and they will get different prospective of what their mass media telling them. What can be found in this thread, can't be found in any of the MSM today.

MSM are agents of Rockefeller's, and JP-Morgans and forums and discussions like this are the only means of sharing true facts with the world today.

Hopefully internet won't be hijacked by them anytime soon.

Some people like Jim, believe that they can fix the current system. The problem is that this system can't be fixed because its main flow is that it assumes that elite of people will govern the remainder. That FIAT currency can measure the value of our efforts and goods.
The FIAT currency is meant to enslave us, and this is demonstrated in this clip. This just can't be fixed.



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