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I waited a few days to see whether anyone would bother to join in the three way discussion here. This thread seems to be getting many views and we've seen a few patriotic threads starting in the community in order to show how much people love their country but when it comes down to brass tacks and nitty gritty none are willing to get involved in the discussion here but watch from the side and either get pissed off with some of the things they're reading here or agree with one side but haven't got the guts or knowledge to get involved. I'd be so bold as to say it's a lack of guts but that's just my opinion.
You know the saying. "Give a men a fish and you feed them for one day, teach them how to fish and you feed them for life." The problem is people don't wan to learn how to fish, they want the fish. This is why elite can exist. They offer the fish, and it is very stinky.
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Before I start my reply let me first acknowledge that I watched all the videos and many more since then. The Venus Project is not a solution to get rid of what you call the "corrupt elite" but a different way to live in this world after some catastrophic event or events that will bring about the destruction of the world as we know it today. So in essence the answer to my question is not the non mainstream solution but a catalyst that might happen and bring about this new order called the Venus Project.
It takes time for any idea to be acceptable. Even today Venus Project for majority of people is the utopia. The catastrophic event is near the corner. We are already in depression, (artificially diluted by the elite), we are at the end of technological revolution where half of the jobs are taken by machines and more to be taken away, the remaining ones exported to China and India, the known monopolized energy resources are getting scarce and we have military power of the world which, military potential is larger than the rest of the world combined. These are ingredients needed for revolution to begin.
As soon as unemployment reaches levels not controllable by tricks (creating government jobs, and skewing the statistics) and lack of abilities to provide sustainable economy, revolution will start rolling. In fact already is. This discussion is the proof.
I give you two example from Polish history.
1. The Teutonic knights were invited to Poland at some point to help to deal with enemy. Once the Teutonic knights settled they decided to fight with Poland. For 400 years Polish kings were trying to defeat the Knights and they couldn't. The Knights dissolved themselves when they got introduced to Lutheran version of Christianity.
2. Poland was under German, Austrian and Russian occupation for 150 years. During this years various insurgencies were organized, but always defeated by occupants. The identity hasn't been defeated during this 150 years. When first World War ended and Russians, Austrians and Germen were all dysfunctional, Poland came back. There was preparation for this needed though and nation had to be ready to take control when opportunity has arisen.
The same is with the Venus project. People need to be made aware of this. When time comes (which will be soon) it will be ready to take over.
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Without a doubt Jacque Fresco is a genius and draws beautiful pictures. He formulated a plan that is Utopia and sounds ever so beautiful but the most important question; is it doable remains as it's main obstacle. Is it realistic or even logical is even more important. After watching the Z Addendum and the interview with Jacque I had more questions then he was able to convincingly answer either during the interview or on the VP website or in the FAQ you'll find there.
The questions will remain.
The study has been started and people keep asking questions. There were social experiments done with communism, socialism, fascism and so on.
Jacque's idea is very innovative above any of the existing systems, which were only fractional improvements from the previous ones.
They all relied on currency and elite. In fact they were just disguised ways in which elite could keep the control on the uneducated or disadvantaged masses.
Today there is large group of population which is educated enough to see what elite is doing and of course would like to join the elite.
Elite doesn't need as many people anymore as the computers can replace them. They are thinking of ways how to decrease amount of population, but the non-elite educated group can see this, and doesn't like this idea.
So what is the solution, the solution is to find a way so elite and non-elite group can still function as one in much more efficient way, which Venus project shows it is possible.
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When you start peeling the layers away you discover that you're replacing one "elite" system with another. It has its very strong similarities to communism where all were equal and supposedly got an equal share of all the wealth or resources but we know that never happened.
In the resource based economy there is no money and you're able to get what ever you want free of charge? According to what parameters and who decides? At first the answer was the technicians and then the computers and then groups .......... in other words committees and a new form of elite that will decide for you. In order to be part of the system you have to agree to the terms of the Venus Project other wise you're not in the system. Agreeing to the terms entails giving up freedoms to abide by the new system that he is advocating.
It is possible to design a mechanism which can function for the sake of society survival and virtually take away tasks from life which today politicians=mafia is handling.
Look at your body. Who is the elite in there. Are you? I'm sure you don't decide how your blood flows and what your body needs to do when you don't have enough food.
Definitely you are not participating knowingly in breathing, fighting viruses and growing.
Those are the tasks which are million times more complicated than any decisions politicians makes during their time.
Computers can be way more precise and exact when it comes to deciding what is the more advantages situation for human or environmental survival than some politician who can't even run a hot dog stand.
Politicians are lawyers mostly whose role is merely to balance on the edges of legality or exploit loopholes in the law. They are not to solve anything or create anything useful. This is great illusion.
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I see it as a system promoting and advocating a world wide commune and as nice as the potential life that is described within this commune history has shown that with all the best of intentions the commune system never worked and in reality was a massive failure and became a drain on the economies of the countries involved.
This is false.
There was never real communes as the surrounding world always was non-commune kind and was affecting the live of the commune.
The non-commune systems had always advantage as being part of establishment and could destroy commune life by isolating it, dragging it into conflicts, using finances to corrupt people inside communes and so on.
Look at China, today. As soon as the world's elite decide to use it for its advantage, it made it work and in fact it owns most of American debts. It will take more jobs away from America soon, forcing it either to go to war with entire world or allow on social revolution which we are here talking about.
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China is the best example of them all. Their economy started taking off only when they embraced the tenets of Capitalism and utilized them to their advantage within their still strict communistic country.
They didn't embrace anything, Nobody made them this offer before. They were enemies. They are still a communist system today with its elite and with its bases.
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Like an onion when you start peeling away the layers in the end you end up with not much and in the case of the Venus Project and it's resource based economy as enticing as it seems and looks at first glance the bottom line is that it's not doable in my humble opinion.
The communism was an attempt to change the status quo. The problem with communism was that all it did, replaced one elite with another. You can't build a system by implementing only some of its ideas. This is like building a human who knows how to breath but doesn't know how to utilize the oxygen.
As I explained above, you can create a system like our bodies and give it ability to give you feedback when things go wrong, like pain, discomfort, lack of oxygen, hunger.
You won't need politicians to tell you that you are hungry and you want them to make decisions in regards to it, the system will know what is best solution to solve your hunger problem and will also know how to get there without destroying you and your environment.
You might be not realizing, but when I'm typing this words, there are millions of computers making sure that what I'm typing will be communicated to you, in your part of the world, within seconds. No politician could do it and this is done by computers and computer program which merely require that some human checks it once a while if there is no errors.
The commercial planes are virtually flown by auto-pilots and so on. This is much harder than some clerk filling out a questionnaire in some office. All this can be computerized, if interest groups are taken away.
So what, that there would be some people who wouldn't want to work.
They wouldn't need to. Even today 90% of our efforts is duplication of efforts and stuffing pockets of elite.
Bogdan Fiedur