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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
3/24/2011 3:51:38 PM

LOVE WINS - Rob Bell




Who's in Hell? Pastors' Criticism of Eternal Torment for Some Sparks Fierce Debate

Published March 24, 2011

| FoxNews.com

A Methodist pastor who voiced support for a book questioning the view of hell as a place of eternal damnation is "shocked" by his church's decision to fire him. Chad Holtz, who served as pastor of the United Methodist church in rural North Carolina, said he hoped his personal belief posted on Facebook would engage -- not anger -- members of his congregation.

Holtz was dismissed this month as pastor of Marrow's Chapel in Henderson after he wrote a note on his Facebook page supporting a new book by Rob Bell, a prominent young evangelical pastor and critic of the traditional view of hell as a place of torment for billions of damned souls.

Holtz said church members complained to a pastor-parish relations committee that his views did not reflect the views of the congregation.

"They felt that what their pastor was writing publicly was not reflective of what they think," Holtz said in an interview. "I was quite shocked, and also disappointed that no one came to me personally to talk about why they were upset. It’s OK to disagree."

The debate over Bell's new book "Love Wins" has quickly spread across the evangelical precincts of the Internet, in part because of an eye-catching promotional video posted on YouTube.

Bell, the pastor of the 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., criticizes the belief that a select number of Christians will spend eternity in the bliss of heaven while everyone else is tormented forever in hell.

"This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy that our world desperately needs to hear," Bell writes in his book.

Holtz, 36, who has served as pastor of Marrow's Chapel for almost four years, said he took to Facebook on March 2 to share his "personal journey" with the notion of hell as a place of torment.

He told FoxNews.com that he wrote about the four things he "lost" when he "lost the idea of hell."

"I lost the idol of belief; I lost a very powerful and useful motivator -- fear; I lost the right to hate my enemy and I lost my place in a tribe," he said.

He said he had hoped his personal experience might engage members of his 80-person congregation, but instead the posting angered congregants who complained that it did not represent their views.

"The people at my church are good, decent people," he told FoxNews.com. "They’re simply feeling a little threatened by a pastor who is asking questions that they don’t want to ask right now. I hope some seeds are planted and that God will bring some good about it."

Making his new belief public was both liberating and a little frightening for Holtz, even though his doubts about traditional doctrines on damnation began long before he heard about Rob Bell's book.

A married Navy veteran with five children, Holtz spent years trying to reconcile his belief that Jesus Christ's death on the cross redeemed the entire world with the idea that millions of people — including millions who had never even heard of Jesus — were suffering forever in hell.

"We do these somersaults to justify the monster god we believe in," he said. "But confronting my own sinfulness, that's when things started to topple for me. Am I really going to be saved just because I believe something, when all these good people in the world aren't?"

Gray Southern, United Methodist district superintendent for the part of North Carolina that includes Henderson, declined to discuss Holtz's departure in detail, but said there was more to it than the online post about Rob Bell's book.

"That's between the church and him," Southern said.

Church members had also been unhappy with Internet posts about subjects like gay marriage and the mix of religion and patriotism, Holtz said, and the hell post was probably the "last straw." Holtz and his family plan to move back to Tennessee, where he'll start a job and maybe plant a church.

"So long as we believe there's a dividing point in eternity, we're going to think in terms of us and them," he said. "But when you believe God has saved everyone, the point is, you're saved. Live like it."

FoxNews.com's Cristina Corbin and the Associated Press contributed to this report

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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
3/25/2011 12:49:13 PM
I googled Famous Channelers and in the next few posts will explore some findings starting with today's post in that vein.

"Famous Channelers"


We will will start with "the Rapture" according to the New Age Channelers

The Rapture According To New Age Channelers

"The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit in here
any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of Earth. When the time comes
that perhaps 20 million people leave the planet at one time there will be
a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining."

-Barbara Marciniak, "Bringers of the Dawn" (a Newager)

The disappearance of every born-again Christian will be the first in a long line of miracles and fulfillment of prophecy to occur in the last days. The strict fulfillment of events will be powerful evidence of who is in charge. All will know that God is in control but there will still be a great many rebellious souls who refuse to accept Jesus Christ and humbly repent. This is the dark side of Free Choice.

Many do not realize that the end of this age does not entirely revolve around the human race. The end could have occurred long ago were it not for God's desire to rescue humanity from Satan and his angels. It is Satan who is manipulating events here and that is why he is referred to as "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4 and "the prince of this world" in John 12:31 and 14:30. He rebelled long ago and it is at the conclusion of this age that Satan will be imprisoned. And his angels, as well as all men who refuse the gift of Christ's sacrifice, will finally be entirely cut off from God's love and will not be allowed to continue to sabotage His creation.

Satan is very restricted as to what course of action he may take but this will not stop him from deceiving many. In this task he is very active. In 2 Corinthians 11:14 Paul warns us that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and also remarks that it should not be surprising that his servants appear as servants of righteousness as well. One of their favorite tools is the tool of flattery. They tell us what we want to hear and subtly pervert the truth so that it conforms to our own self-centered and self-serving human philosophies. This is being done on an unprecedented scale in the powerful New Age movement today.

What follows are some quotes from members of the New Age movement who dabble in a practice called "channeling." Channeling is a process whereby you open your mind and soul through meditation and relaxation to the influence and direction of non-human beings. These beings claim to be "aliens" or "angels" or "Ascended Masters," and offer some very interesting advice and predictions concerning the future changes. They claim to be angels, and indeed they are, but the nature of their advice gives them away as fallen angels because it conflicts violently and obviously with the saving message of Jesus Christ, His return in power and glory, as well as with the uncompromising truths that have been revealed through God's prophets.

Here is the Rapture according to the Bible:

See: The Pretribulation Rapture (defended)

Matthew 24:36-42
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."

Luke 17:34-35
"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 reads,
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."

The New Age Movement is Preparing the Masses So the Rapture Won't Come as a Shock to the World.

The disappearance of millions of people will be explained away using several different tactics. The first explanation is that certain groups of people will have to be evacuated by our extraterrestrial "space brothers" because of catastrophic earth changes:

Channeler Thelma Terrell, who goes by her spiritual name, "Tuella," wrote a book called Project World Evacuation (1), these are some qoutes from that book. They are messages channeled from a being who calls himself Ashtar, the leader of an alien confederation,

"Our rescue ships will be able to come in close enough in the twinkling of an eye to set the lifting beams in operation in a moment. And all over the globe where events warrant it, this will be the method of evacuation. mankind will be lifted, levitated shall we say, by the beams from our smaller ships. These smaller craft will in turn taxi the persons to the larger ships overhead, higher in the atmosphere, where there is ample space and quarters and supplies for millions of people."

"...We watch diligently, the threat of a polar shift for the planet in your generation. Such a development would create a planetary situation through which none could survive. This would necessitate an evacuation such as I have referred to."

"...Earth changes will be the primary factor in mass evacuation of this planet."

"There is method and great organization in a detailed plan already near completion for the purpose of removing souls from this planet, in the event of catastrophic events making a rescue necessary..."

"The Great Evacuation will come upon the world very suddenly. The flash of emergency events will be as a lightning that flashes in the sky. So suddenly and so quick in its happening that it is over almost before you are aware of its presence..."

"Phase I of the Great Exodus of souls from the planet will take place at a moment's notice when it is determined that the inhabitants are in danger."
"Phase II... This second phase immediately following the first. The second phase is vital, as we return for the children of all ages and races. The child does not have the power of choice in understanding nor personal accountability."

"Do not be concerned nor unduly upset if you do not participate in this first temporary lift-up of souls who serve with us. This merely means that your action in the plan is elsewhere, and you will be taken for your instructions or will receive them in some other manner. Do not take any personal affront if you are not alerted or are not a participant in this first phase of our plan. Your time will come later, and these instructions are not necessary for you at this time..."

New Age author Timothy Green Beckley writes more words of encouragement for those who miss the "evacuation" in his book Psychic and UFO Revelations in the Last Days (2),

"...Many of the New Age workers and instructors who feel that they will be taken will not be taken right away, but left behind to help mankind survive through the cataclysmic period. That is their mission."

Another explanation that will be offered for the disappearance of all the believers of Jesus Christ is one of an evolutionary purge. The basic concept is that as earth and humanity is evolving into a higher spiritual consciousness, those whose thought patterns are of the past, and which hinder the evolutionary path, will appear to vanish. It is explained that these souls will be taken elsewhere to evolve at their own rate and they will miss their chance to participate with the rest of the earth's inhabitants:

New Age author Kay Wheeler (known by her spiritual name, Ozmana), who describes herself as a Pleiadian star seed and channeler, published an article entitled, The Time Is Now, in the New Age journal Connecting Link magazine (spring 1994) (3). She presented material that she had channeled from entities that called themselves the "Souls of Light," who claim to be ETs from the "Seventh Celestial Plane of Life" who are concerned with helping earth evolve to full consciousness. Here she writes of the evolutionary purge,

"The Mother is desperately fighting for her life. Many of her vortexes have been drained. She is in critical condition at this time and must turn her thoughts to herself if she is to survive. That is why you see the many crises in the world. many of these you do not hear about on your 'screen of lies.'"

"There is much happening on your planet at this time. The Mother is cleansing. It is all she knows to do at this time to clear herself of the pollution that exists within her body. But you as light bearers can help your Mother cleanse in such a way that does not destroy all life on this planet."

"Much of this is necessary. Many of these beings have appointments to leave at this time. Earth's population needs to be decreased to bring forth the necessary changes upon this planet to move into the fourth dimension."

"Your Earth is a fourth-dimensional being at this time. She has moved into this energy pattern, and those who plan to stay must be of this vibration."

"Many of these beings who are leaving this planet at this time have completed that which they came to do. It is a time of great rejoicing for them. Do not feel sad about their leaving. They are going home. Many are waiting to be with them again... Many beings must move on, for their thought patterns are of the past. They hold on to these thoughts that keep Earth held back."

Earlyne Chaney channels an ET who calls himself "Kuthumi" and in Chaney's book, Revelations of Things To Come (4), this being speaks about the earth changes and the need for a "cleansing."

"The Mother Deva (Mother Earth) realizes that her matter must be purified. Her akashic ethers must be cleansed of the dark thought forces."

Barbara Marciniak is a very famous New Age author and channeler. In her book she documents what she claims extraterrestrials from the star system of the Pleiades have told her. In her book, Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians (5), she also mentions the removal of a great number of souls,

"The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit in here any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of Earth. When the time comes that perhaps 20 million people leave the planet at one time there will be a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining."

Johanna Michaelson is an ex-New Ager who is now a Christian. She writes in one of her books, Like Lambs to the Slaughter: Your Child and the Occult (6), about famous New Age intellectual and promoter John Randolph Price, whose spirit guide says that the number of human beings taken will be significantly higher,

"...Asher, the spirit guide of John Randolph Price, a moving force behind the New Agers' 'World Instant of Cooperation' (on December 31, 1986, in which thousands of mediators worldwide simultaneously concentrated on world peace hoping to cause a critical mass launching into the New Age) told him that two billion people who didn't go along with the New Age would be wiped off the face of the Earth during the coming cleansing."


Barbara Marciniak, in Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library (7) writes,

"Some of you want to pretend that the earth changes are not occurring. However, they are occurring, and there is nothing to fear, for they are part of the process of the great shift... Whether you stay on the planet and alter your vibration, or you check out and sit in the bleachers to watch the show, doesn't really matter. On some level, in some avenue of existence, you will participate and you will learn."

Marciniak, in Bringers of the Dawn, gives us a final warning,

"If human beings do not change -- if they do not make the shift in values and realize that without Earth they could not be here -- then Earth, in its love for its own initiation, is reaching for a higher frequency, will bring about a cleansing that will balance it once again. There is the potential for many people to leave the planet in an afternoon."

(All of the above quotes were found in the book, Alien Encounters, by Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman, Koinonia House, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 1997, pp. 185-200. See the bibliography at bottom for the original sources.)

New Age Rapture Explanations on the Web

I have come across several web pages that offer the same types of bogus rapture explanations as the above quotes. Below, I summarize what each page says, and also give a link so that the page can be read in context.

*Please, if anyone comes across any New Age page on the web that deals with the rapture, don't hesitate to inform me. E-mail me at pgoodgame@hawaii.rr.com and I might post it on this page with all the rest.

Metatron: This page offers a subtle warning to those who resist "unity:"
"It is the time of the joining. It is the time of the choosing. And those who wish not to walk upon this path will be transitioned, transferred to a different reality. The time is upon us. The enemy is at hand and is about to become one with us and will be the enemy no longer. No longer will be there dark or light, good or bad. Only will there be unity and those who wish not to operate in unity, will operate elsewhere in another universe."

Gateway to Oneness: Cristah the lightworker gets answers to her questions from a being that calls itself Ashtar. Ashtar relates how the earth is moving into the 4th dimension, and how only human beings who are of the right vibration may enter it with earth. He says, "...those who do not believe, will be left in the 3rd dimension," and "those that are not of the light must stay and learn here in the 3rd dimension." He says that the fate of earth's inhabitants "will be handled on an individual basis."

The Ascension Plan: This page talks about how the earth is "Ascending" into the next age. It is filled with a lot of boring New Age rubbish, but it mentions that there will be "three waves of ascension," and how "...the second wave is the beginning of the evacuation." Of this wave it is said, "I cannot give you dates as it is not permitted."

The Planetary Activation Organization: This is a site that is dedicated to preparing the world for contact with our ET "brothers." Sheldan Nidle is the leader of this organization and he is well known to late-night talk show host Art Bell. Nidle publishes updates on his website about twice a week to encourage his "lightworkers" around the world.
Here are two pages which mention the rapture:
Update- 11/25/97: This page mentions how gigantic spaceships will be used to evacuate certain people, who will then be taken "...to an orientation training on special mother ships in the fleet." Evidently there will be quite a few who don't swallow all of the feel-good New Age hogwash, and these people must go to school to be properly indoctrinated. It goes on to say, "After this training is completed, we can then move them to their new holographic residences."
Sheldan Nidle Answers Your Questions: Go to Question 6. Nidle's disciples ask him if all the rituals and meditation might possibly help the earth enough to make an "evacuation" unnecessary. Nidle replies that their work has been "marvelous," but the Galactic Federation still plans to go through with the evacuation.

The Ashtar Command: This page states the purpose of yet another New Age cult which is trying to prepare the world for contact with ETs. There is no explicit reference to an "evacuation," but it does mention Lord Maitreya, who they claim is the "current planetary Christ." They directly contradict the Gospel when they say that "the belief in separation" is the "father of all lies." One only has to look at the state of the world to realize how far apart humanity is from God at this time. We are born into an age-old rebellion against God and are the legal property of the fallen angels. Jesus Christ came and died in the flesh to offer us a way out. I pray that all who read this understand and do not reject the free gift of eternal life offered through Jesus Christ. Without it we will suffer condemnation alongside Satan and his angels.

Theosophy Seminar: This article is a detailed account of the beliefs of one of the original modern New Age organizations: the Theosophical Society. This organization was founded by Helena Blavatsky near the turn of the century. She was heavily into channeling and also wrote about the coming of a New Age Christ (Antichrist). This article documents how its' members are expecting a good portion of the earth's inhabitants to vanish, and how Maitreya will rise to power with the help of the Roman Catholic Pope. (The article is borrowed from the Cutting Edge).

Hannah Newman: This is a link to the article I have posted on my site. It also points to Maitreya as the New Age "Christ" (Antichrist), and here is the relevant quote dealing with the rapture,

"4. Goal of the Plan - Initiation: All who wish to enter the New Age 'on the physical plane' [alive] must undergo an 'energy activation' or 'rebirth' - usually marked by a subjective trance-induced 'light experience' where one meets either a 'spirit guide' or one's 'higher self' (no difference since 'all is one'). This 'altered state of consciousness' will eventually lead to a 'Luciferic initiation' into the 'new humanity', or a vow of allegiance to Lucifer as god. Those who cannot (no souls) or will not ('not sufficiently developed in their spiritual journey') will be sent on to their next life in a global 'cleansing action' (Alice Bailey, 'The Rays and the Initiations' pp.754-755). [for more, see Doctrines on the Jews, below] By means of this 'initiation' all will continue on their journey to 'godhood' at the new level, which includes 'personal experience of the knowledge of good and evil'. [sounds like Genesis 3:5, and it's meant to]."

Bibliography

1. Tuella, Project World Evacuation, Inner Light Publications, 1993 edition.
2. Timothy Green Beckley, Psychic & UFO Revelations in the Last Days, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ, 1989.
3. Yvonne Cole, Connecting Link Magazine, Issue 23, 1994.
4. Earlyne Chaney, Revelations of Things to Come, Astara, Inc., 1982.
5. Barbara Marciniak, Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians, Bear and Co., 1992.
6. Johanna Michaelson, Like Lambs to the Slaughter: Your Child and the Occult, Harvest House, Eugene, OR, 1989.
7. Barbara Marciniak, Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library, Bear & Company, 1995.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/New%20Age/newage-rapture.htm

Here is my search results URL http://www.google.com/search?q=famous+channelers&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en

If you place "Famous Channelers" in the search box you will come up with a different but similar page of listings. Let's see what we see, shall we?


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RE: God? Gallactics? Or Man? What ARE your thoughts?
3/27/2011 1:55:55 PM

I don't like posting long posts, but I could not pass this one up.

This is to all the patriots who have served:

THE FINAL
INSPECTION

The Soldier stood and faced God,

Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,

Just as brightly as his brass..

'Step forward now, Soldier ,

How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?

To My Church have you been true?'

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,

'No, Lord, I guess I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,

Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,

And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,

Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,

That wasn't mine to keep...

Though I worked a lot of overtime,

When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,

Though at times I shook with fear..

And sometimes, God, forgive me,

I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,

Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,

Except to calm their fears

If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,

But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,

Where the saints had often trod.

As the Soldier waited quietly,

For the judgment of his God.

'Step forward now, you Soldier,

You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell.'

Author Unknown~

God Bless all those who serve!

Quote:

LOVE WINS - Rob Bell




Who's in Hell? Pastors' Criticism of Eternal Torment for Some Sparks Fierce Debate

Published March 24, 2011

| FoxNews.com

A Methodist pastor who voiced support for a book questioning the view of hell as a place of eternal damnation is "shocked" by his church's decision to fire him. Chad Holtz, who served as pastor of the United Methodist church in rural North Carolina, said he hoped his personal belief posted on Facebook would engage -- not anger -- members of his congregation.

Holtz was dismissed this month as pastor of Marrow's Chapel in Henderson after he wrote a note on his Facebook page supporting a new book by Rob Bell, a prominent young evangelical pastor and critic of the traditional view of hell as a place of torment for billions of damned souls.

Holtz said church members complained to a pastor-parish relations committee that his views did not reflect the views of the congregation.

"They felt that what their pastor was writing publicly was not reflective of what they think," Holtz said in an interview. "I was quite shocked, and also disappointed that no one came to me personally to talk about why they were upset. It’s OK to disagree."

The debate over Bell's new book "Love Wins" has quickly spread across the evangelical precincts of the Internet, in part because of an eye-catching promotional video posted on YouTube.

Bell, the pastor of the 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., criticizes the belief that a select number of Christians will spend eternity in the bliss of heaven while everyone else is tormented forever in hell.

"This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy that our world desperately needs to hear," Bell writes in his book.

Holtz, 36, who has served as pastor of Marrow's Chapel for almost four years, said he took to Facebook on March 2 to share his "personal journey" with the notion of hell as a place of torment.

He told FoxNews.com that he wrote about the four things he "lost" when he "lost the idea of hell."

"I lost the idol of belief; I lost a very powerful and useful motivator -- fear; I lost the right to hate my enemy and I lost my place in a tribe," he said.

He said he had hoped his personal experience might engage members of his 80-person congregation, but instead the posting angered congregants who complained that it did not represent their views.

"The people at my church are good, decent people," he told FoxNews.com. "They’re simply feeling a little threatened by a pastor who is asking questions that they don’t want to ask right now. I hope some seeds are planted and that God will bring some good about it."

Making his new belief public was both liberating and a little frightening for Holtz, even though his doubts about traditional doctrines on damnation began long before he heard about Rob Bell's book.

A married Navy veteran with five children, Holtz spent years trying to reconcile his belief that Jesus Christ's death on the cross redeemed the entire world with the idea that millions of people — including millions who had never even heard of Jesus — were suffering forever in hell.

"We do these somersaults to justify the monster god we believe in," he said. "But confronting my own sinfulness, that's when things started to topple for me. Am I really going to be saved just because I believe something, when all these good people in the world aren't?"

Gray Southern, United Methodist district superintendent for the part of North Carolina that includes Henderson, declined to discuss Holtz's departure in detail, but said there was more to it than the online post about Rob Bell's book.

"That's between the church and him," Southern said.

Church members had also been unhappy with Internet posts about subjects like gay marriage and the mix of religion and patriotism, Holtz said, and the hell post was probably the "last straw." Holtz and his family plan to move back to Tennessee, where he'll start a job and maybe plant a church.

"So long as we believe there's a dividing point in eternity, we're going to think in terms of us and them," he said. "But when you believe God has saved everyone, the point is, you're saved. Live like it."

FoxNews.com's Cristina Corbin and the Associated Press contributed to this report

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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
3/28/2011 2:01:05 PM
Both of these videos resonate with me.
How about you?

Do you find them contradictory of one another or supportive?

Wayseers


Baloney Detection KitWhen WE stop consenting to play, the game will end. Got it?

http://theforceiswithinyou.twilightlegend.com/t4701-the-wayseer-manifesto

Both of these videos resonate with me.
How about you?

Do you find them contradictory of one another or supportive?



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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
3/30/2011 2:08:17 PM

Beck: “I stand with Israel”

Glenn gave a passionate condemnation of US foreign policy on tonight’s TV show. As the Middle East continues to burn, the United States – and most of the world for that matter – have not taken a firm stance in alliance with Israel. Instead, the administration has been silent as groups like the Muslim Brotherhood start to work their way into power in Egypt and other countries.

Glenn makes a compelling argument, noting that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that shares American values. They are constantly provoked and attacked, yet despite having a heavy nuclear arsenal they have not launched a single one. In Israel, unlike most other Middle Eastern countries, women are treated equally and people aren’t stoned for their sexual orientation. Nevertheless, the United States has – at it’s best – remained silent.

But as Glenn also noted, there are those high up in the administration that would stand against Israel, such as Samantha Power (Mrs. Cass Sunstein), who has argued that the United States should shift their support from Israel and focus on the creation of a Palestinian State. They use the doctrine of a “Responsibility to Protect” to say the US and its allies should move against Israel in support of the Palestinian State, the same doctrine that President Obama used to move against Libya without congressional approval. You can see her make the argument in this video:



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