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Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
12/28/2010 3:40:58 PM

Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone

by Jean Tate on June 21, 2010

The search (xkcd)


To date, SETI (Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence) has focused on ETs who ‘phone home’ using the radio part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and even a very small region within that.

But what if ET’s phone doesn’t use radio waves? Sure the xkcd comic, is funny, but maybe it points to a deep flaw in our attempts to contact, or hear from, an ETI?

When Giuseppe Cocconi and Philip Morrison suggested the possibility of interstellar communication via electromagnetic waves in a 1959 paper in Nature, only radio was feasible, as we then had the ability to detect only artificial radio signals, if produced by ETIs with 1959 human technology. Since then we’ve developed the ability to detect a laser signal, brighter than the Sun (if only for a nanosecond) if it came from a source several light-years away … but lasers weren’t invented then.

What might ET’s equivalent of ants’ pheromones be?

Back in 1959 if you’d said that the Earth would, within a mere half century, started to go ‘radio quiet’, not many people would have taken you seriously. Yet that’s exactly what’s happened! Free to air (FTA) broadcasting, especially for TV, is being replaced by TV delivered over coaxial cable, optical fibers, or even the phone company’s twisted copper pairs. And where it’s continuing, as in satellite TV broadcasting, its power has dropped (today’s digital formats are more efficient than the old analog ones). Military radars, the brightest source of artificial radio waves by far, no longer broadcast in a single channel, but hop, rapidly, from frequency to frequency, to avoid jamming.

“Our improving technology is causing the Earth to become less visible,” says astronomer Frank Drake, SETI’s paterfamilias. “If we are the model for the universe, that is bad news.”

In the past half century SETI researchers have expanded the scope of their searches. Not only are far more radio channels being examined, but artificial signals in the optical are being sought too. How to decide which of the billions or trillions of possible radio channels to search? For example, the Allen Telescope Array will, when built, monitor a billion channels between 0.5 and 11 GHz – but that’s a trivial fraction of the entire radio waveband. Some ideas, however, seem cute; for example, the SETI Institute’s Gerald Harp has proposed searching at 4.462336275 gigahertz, in what’s called the PiHI range, because it’s the hydrogen atom’s emission frequency times pi. More seriously, Harvard University’s Paul Horowitz says optical SETI programs should really look at infrared frequencies “Stars are darker in the infrared and lasers are brighter and the smog goes away,” Horowitz says. Infrared allows astronomers to see into the galactic center, where dust scatters visible light.

There’s something rather ironic about SETI today; on the one hand, we recognize that our initial hopes were far too high, being based on overly simplistic assumptions; on the other, the tremendous progress in finding exoplanets has given us greater and greater certainty that Earth-like planets not only exist, but are, very likely, common. “All of astronomy has come to embrace this idea that there must be life out there,” says Harp.

So how to address the fact that we simply do not know what sorts of technologies a civilization like ours may have, a century or a millennium from now? After all, as Drake says “We are very conservative at SETI, we assume in our searches the existence of only things we ourselves have and know how to make.” Other scientists, and SETI enthusiasts, have proposed hunting in different electromagnetic realms, like gamma rays. Spacecraft that rely on nuclear fusion or antimatter-matter annihilation as a power source might produce such rays. But standard SETI strategy does not embrace such “speculative” scenarios.

SETI researchers, some say, should also contemplate what technologies supersmart aliens might possess and seek out the corresponding signals. In a 2008 arXiv paper, “Galactic Neutrino Communication“, John Learned of the University of Hawaii at Manoa suggested that ET could be sending beams of neutrinos Earth’s way. Energy requirements for such a beam make that scenario seem implausible, but not necessarily impossible. Detectors currently under construction, such as IceCube at the South Pole, could spot unexpected stray neutrinos. If a few with the same energy came from the same direction, astronomers would know something screwy was up.

In another paper, “The Cepheid Galactic Internet“, Learned suggests that ET could send a signal using a neutrino beam to deliver energy to a Cepheid variable. A Cepheid “blows up and comes crashing back down,” he says. “And the energy builds up and it blows again, like a geyser.” ET could leverage a Cepheid’s inherent instability by delivering a boost of energy that messes with the star‘s schedule. Looking through existing data could reveal whether such meddling has occurred. “All that is needed is people analyzing for other reasons to do their analyses in another way,” Learned says.

Drake and most others agree that SETI’s approach should be multidirectional – let a thousand alien hunters bloom. The only ideas that don’t do anybody any good, Horowitz says, are the ones for which there is no conceivable way to look. “I’d like to keep an open mind,” he says, “but not so much that my brain falls out.”

Physicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe, however, suggests that researchers don’t need to know what to look for. Find the fishy thing first, and then argue about its origin, he says.

As Davies has argued, maybe discovering ET does indeed depend on a thought revolution. Fifty years of signal-less searching suggests that the problem could lie not with the aliens among the stars, but with ourselves.

Maybe the sentient ants should not give up, just yet.

Sources: Science News. Cocconi and Morrison’s 1959 Nature paper (copyright Nature)

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RE: God? Gallactics? Or Man? What ARE your thoughts?
12/29/2010 1:19:09 AM
Doesn't seem to be any definitive answers in this article. Thought there are some floating around claiming that the SETI Project has confirmed the existence of 3 large spaceships heading our way. But no recent news seems to confirm this when you check out the official SETI sites.

I wonder if they are part the grand conspiracy too?


SETI scientist finds Alien signal

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AFTER you’ve spent more than 20 years hunting for an alien signal, you think you’d be celebrating if you noticed a mysterious pulse suddenly rising up on your computer readouts. A regular pulse, amid the random clatter of the cosmos, suggests that someone very smart at the other end is sending a message. http://thecrit.com/2009/05/17/seti-scientist-finds-alien-signal/

Books

Some SETI Institute scientists have written, edited, or contributed to books. These publications, which may be available through Amazon.com or your public library, include popular, reference, and textbooks, as well as compilations of scientific articles or papers. In addition, we have included books about the SETI Institute or SETI in general. http://www.seti.org/page.aspx?pid=241

Even on their main site SETI.org no big announcements Guess its still a secret. ;-)



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Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone

by Jean Tate on June 21, 2010

The search (xkcd)


To date, SETI (Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence) has focused on ETs who ‘phone home’ using the radio part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and even a very small region within that.

But what if ET’s phone doesn’t use radio waves? Sure the xkcd comic, is funny, but maybe it points to a deep flaw in our attempts to contact, or hear from, an ETI?

When Giuseppe Cocconi and Philip Morrison suggested the possibility of interstellar communication via electromagnetic waves in a 1959 paper in Nature, only radio was feasible, as we then had the ability to detect only artificial radio signals, if produced by ETIs with 1959 human technology. Since then we’ve developed the ability to detect a laser signal, brighter than the Sun (if only for a nanosecond) if it came from a source several light-years away … but lasers weren’t invented then.

What might ET’s equivalent of ants’ pheromones be?

Back in 1959 if you’d said that the Earth would, within a mere half century, started to go ‘radio quiet’, not many people would have taken you seriously. Yet that’s exactly what’s happened! Free to air (FTA) broadcasting, especially for TV, is being replaced by TV delivered over coaxial cable, optical fibers, or even the phone company’s twisted copper pairs. And where it’s continuing, as in satellite TV broadcasting, its power has dropped (today’s digital formats are more efficient than the old analog ones). Military radars, the brightest source of artificial radio waves by far, no longer broadcast in a single channel, but hop, rapidly, from frequency to frequency, to avoid jamming.

“Our improving technology is causing the Earth to become less visible,” says astronomer Frank Drake, SETI’s paterfamilias. “If we are the model for the universe, that is bad news.”

In the past half century SETI researchers have expanded the scope of their searches. Not only are far more radio channels being examined, but artificial signals in the optical are being sought too. How to decide which of the billions or trillions of possible radio channels to search? For example, the Allen Telescope Array will, when built, monitor a billion channels between 0.5 and 11 GHz – but that’s a trivial fraction of the entire radio waveband. Some ideas, however, seem cute; for example, the SETI Institute’s Gerald Harp has proposed searching at 4.462336275 gigahertz, in what’s called the PiHI range, because it’s the hydrogen atom’s emission frequency times pi. More seriously, Harvard University’s Paul Horowitz says optical SETI programs should really look at infrared frequencies “Stars are darker in the infrared and lasers are brighter and the smog goes away,” Horowitz says. Infrared allows astronomers to see into the galactic center, where dust scatters visible light.

There’s something rather ironic about SETI today; on the one hand, we recognize that our initial hopes were far too high, being based on overly simplistic assumptions; on the other, the tremendous progress in finding exoplanets has given us greater and greater certainty that Earth-like planets not only exist, but are, very likely, common. “All of astronomy has come to embrace this idea that there must be life out there,” says Harp.

So how to address the fact that we simply do not know what sorts of technologies a civilization like ours may have, a century or a millennium from now? After all, as Drake says “We are very conservative at SETI, we assume in our searches the existence of only things we ourselves have and know how to make.” Other scientists, and SETI enthusiasts, have proposed hunting in different electromagnetic realms, like gamma rays. Spacecraft that rely on nuclear fusion or antimatter-matter annihilation as a power source might produce such rays. But standard SETI strategy does not embrace such “speculative” scenarios.

SETI researchers, some say, should also contemplate what technologies supersmart aliens might possess and seek out the corresponding signals. In a 2008 arXiv paper, “Galactic Neutrino Communication“, John Learned of the University of Hawaii at Manoa suggested that ET could be sending beams of neutrinos Earth’s way. Energy requirements for such a beam make that scenario seem implausible, but not necessarily impossible. Detectors currently under construction, such as IceCube at the South Pole, could spot unexpected stray neutrinos. If a few with the same energy came from the same direction, astronomers would know something screwy was up.

In another paper, “The Cepheid Galactic Internet“, Learned suggests that ET could send a signal using a neutrino beam to deliver energy to a Cepheid variable. A Cepheid “blows up and comes crashing back down,” he says. “And the energy builds up and it blows again, like a geyser.” ET could leverage a Cepheid’s inherent instability by delivering a boost of energy that messes with the star‘s schedule. Looking through existing data could reveal whether such meddling has occurred. “All that is needed is people analyzing for other reasons to do their analyses in another way,” Learned says.

Drake and most others agree that SETI’s approach should be multidirectional – let a thousand alien hunters bloom. The only ideas that don’t do anybody any good, Horowitz says, are the ones for which there is no conceivable way to look. “I’d like to keep an open mind,” he says, “but not so much that my brain falls out.”

Physicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe, however, suggests that researchers don’t need to know what to look for. Find the fishy thing first, and then argue about its origin, he says.

As Davies has argued, maybe discovering ET does indeed depend on a thought revolution. Fifty years of signal-less searching suggests that the problem could lie not with the aliens among the stars, but with ourselves.

Maybe the sentient ants should not give up, just yet.

Sources: Science News. Cocconi and Morrison’s 1959 Nature paper (copyright Nature)

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RE: God? Gallactics? Or Man? What ARE your thoughts?
1/7/2011 8:38:22 PM
Peter, posted this in his Human Shields Forum and it has a place here. Wake Up America or the World WILL Bow to Allah!



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Hello Friends,

For the past few years I've been writing about Islam's plan for world domination. What I've always claimed was that all you have to do is listen to what they're saying. The different forms of Jihad are already well known even though many are still doing their best to either ignore or minimize the inherent dangers especially the progressive liberal MSM.

The situation in the United States is still more or less in the stage of taqiyaa where they're deceiving with platitudes and being the religion of peace. While if you listen closely to what they're saying you can perceive the deception and double speak. In Europe where they have a much stronger position due to the length of time they've been emigrating to the different countries and their numbers in relation to the general population is much greater then in the United States they state their plans with no deception. they've progressed pas the taqiyaa stage. The below video is a prime example and a must watch. This will show you what their true intentions are and will also show you what's in store for the United States and Canada in the very near future.

Shalom,

Peter

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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
1/11/2011 1:52:49 PM
Tuesday, Jan 11th, 2011 -- Your ruling planet, Mercury the Communicator, is still stirring up trouble for you, especially if you believe everything you hear. Of course, it's never wise to shoot the messenger, especially when he's bearing good news.

However, don't reward him either, for that will only encourage the delivery of more exaggerated information.

The truth is being stretched now, but you can save yourself from getting a headache by verifying all the facts.

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RE: Maybe ET’s Calling, But We Have the Wrong Phone
2/3/2011 1:41:16 PM

Discovery Of Stone Age Tools Pushes Human Migration Back 100,000 Years



Discovery Of Stone Age Tools Pushes Human Migration Back 100,000 Years

by Chuck Terzella

If found, return to Og
If found, return to Og


(From The United Arab Emirates)

A report in today's edition of the journal Science of the discovery of an ancient stone tool kit has raised the possibility that the ancestors of today's modern humans began leaving the African continent far earlier than previously supposed. While fossils of modern humans can be dated to as far back as 200,000 years ago, but gene studies have suggested that humans didn't begin their long world-wide migration until as late as 60,000 years ago with the birth of Betty White. However markings on the newly discovered stone tools leave little doubt that the travels began far earlier, perhaps as long ago as the birth of Ronald Reagan.

The report describes a handful of two-sided stone blades, scrapers and hand axes excavated from a collapsed rock shelter at an archaeological site, near Jebel Faya in the United Arab Emirates. On them, scratched into the side is the following notation:
"Property Of Og Kiersten, Dorfsstrasse 24, 01683 Eula , Germany. If found, please return promptly. Danke."

While it is normally difficult to postulate stone tools much information about the lives of the people who manufactured them, it is this notation that has allowed paleontologists to definitively state that not only had migration begun 125,000 years ago, but that there was already a robust 'cross-migration', with humans traveling back and forth.

However, there are some dissenting opinions. The team is headed by Han-Peter Uerpmann of Germany's Tubingen University, which has led some to question whether the inscription may have been forged after some of Herr Uerpmann's grad students had been hitting the Liebfraumilch. Paul Mellars of the United Kingdom's Cambridge University says other Stone Age tools most likely made by Neanderthals in Europe resemble the study tools. In addition he was rumored to have said,"That damn Han-Peter, he's okay, but you know those German"s and their whacky sense of humor...after all, look at the 1939 Polish Invasion. Like I say, joke, joke, joke. I personally can"t believe that humans made it farther than the outskirts of Munich in Bavaria by 125,000 years ago, let alone decided to return. At any rate, the implications of this, 'discovery' need to be examined very carefully."

http://unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=5754

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