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12/14/2009 3:36:54 PM

Hello Adlanders and Mountaineers,

As many may know I was removed from the Mountain of Love for asking questions and bidding those ascending Bon Voyage! Apparently the sanctity of the Mountain is disturbed by hard questions from seekers of knowledge.

It started with an exchange between myself and Robert Talmadge. He of course is an ascended being from the 5th Dimension and returned to the 3D world to guide us unenlightened scum of the earth types, myself included per the Mountaineers.

No one likes "Bad Apples" or someone that questions the many claims made about the Galactics, Arch Angels, and various so called supreme beings.

"Hi Mountaineers,
I apologize to all of you, and especially to those who have contacted me on repeated occasions, for taking so long to take a FIRM STAND against the "bad apple" energy previously allowed in this forum.

That will be NO more!

It saddens me because I will go far out of my way to help everyone that I can. But, when that is no longer prudent or possible for the sake of all on this beautiful journey, a decision has been made. We are ALL on a path to growth and enlightenment, and negative energies do not serve any of us.

I applaud Robert's generosity to share and help us all to better understand where we are going. It is wonderful to see so much positive interaction and discussion taking place as it should be, and no one need to worry about anymore "pot shots" taking place in response to their well-meaning posts.

Bless you all, Jill"

Anyways here is why I am writing....

Hi Jim,

That is a nice parrot. What words dos he speak? I accept your invitation, in fact I have been to your Clearwater home and looked into you. I find some bitterness and I feel you have lived through something traumatic. There is a dark cloak around you. I usually find this in people who are Atheist.

What is there will remain whether or not you believe. I respect all faiths and I will defend them. Everyone has a right to choose what they are most comfortable.

Be careful what you wish for.

Even though my invitation was accepted the Ascended Being failed to show!

My Reply: Unfortunately it has to be posted here but it will still be seen. ROFLMAO

Yep, we all skipped the 4th Dimension and just stepped right into the 5th Dimension. Now we all have new crystalline bodies and the ravages of time are gone. All the troops are on their way home and your NESARA check is the mail. OMG it's so fabulous we are all here in this place that has not changed at all since yesterday. Amazing!

Now of course some of us had some 3D stuff to take care of like getting banned from the Mountain of Love. They really are practicing what they preach there. As long as you don't ask any hard questions or raise doubts among the followers. Now that we are all 5D beings wonder how they are going to explain things now?

You know this Ascension didn't hurt at all and we lost no where near the 4.9 billion souls expected to just disappear from our sight. So I guess we were all saved! Unfortunately Obama and cronies are still here too. :-(

I have had astral visitors in my home but they never make their presence known while here. Oh well one is supposed to visit tomorrow (today) at 10 AM and we shall see if they are ready to step out of the shadow then.

Personal note to Robert: Not yet an Atheist, Agnostic for sure, which means I am open for proof of life.

May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,



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12/14/2009 3:52:28 PM
Hello Jim & Friends,

I am confused and I must admit that doesn't often happen. I read in one of the forums here in ALP that we're all in the 5th dimension and this is sooooooooo confusing.

Before that it was said and stated that the "black hats" their term for bad guys or non believers in their fairy tales won't be ascending to the 5th dimension and now I'm told by their "impeccably reliable sources" that we're all in 5D. Black hats, white hats, red hats, yellow hats all of us.

Hmmm, what does this mean??? If I am here am I still in my 3D world and they too are only in 3D or possibly I haven't been brainwashed enough yet to realize that I'm here in 5D and 3D is a thing of the past? Or we're all in 3D and their imagination and wishful thinking got the better of them yet again?

What I can't understand are all the changes in this 3D world that are about to happen according to their "impeccably reliable sources". Why should any of us care about all that if we've ascended to 5D? We're outta the 3D world and have no need for any of these changes that are imminent according to their "verrrrry reliable sources". So, why should that imaginary nesara and the promised $10,000,000 for each and every one of us interest us in this elevated 5th dimension? Why should the imminent dissolving of the FED (yeah we've heard that one before) interest us in 5D?

There are sooooooooo many questions and no answers. Ask a question and you are censored, banned and outlawed (I guess they have no answers). And yet we are in the 5D is that possible here??

I'll prepare some more verrrrrrrrry important questions in my next post that haven't been answered yet and if asked "there" will cause you to be banned, exiled and outlawed even in this 5th dimension we're all in according to those "very reliable sources".

Do you remember the 3D movies?? In order to watch them you needed special glasses. I guess in order to realize this new 5D we're in the special glasses are the brainwashing courses you have to go through in order to fully understand and appreciate "our" ascension into this non existent state of 5D we're all supposedly in according to "impeccable
sources".

Confusing isn't it?

Shalom,



Peter






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12/14/2009 4:44:39 PM
You know what guys? Almost weekly we see people concerned about scams here at ALP and here we have one of the longest running scams yet here in our community! I have watched and read and every time a legitimate question is asked it is ignored. For instance we keep seeing all this stuff about NESARA but read what Wikipedia has to say about it.

NESARA

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NESARA is an acronym for the proposed National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, a set of economic reforms suggested during the 1990s by Dr. Harvey Barnard. Barnard claimed that the proposals, which included replacing the income tax with a national sales tax (see also FairTax), abolishing compound interest on secured loans, and returning to a bimetallic currency, would result in 0% inflation and a more stable economy. The proposals were never introduced before congress, and the only congressman known to have commented on the bill is Ron Paul, dismissively, and through a spokesman.[1] NESARA has since become better known as the subject of a cult-like conspiracy theory promoted by Shaini Goodwin, who claims that the act was actually passed with additional provisions as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act, and then suppressed by the George W. Bush administration and the Supreme Court. Other people have adopted and embellished Goodwin's ideas.

Origins

Dr. Harvey Barnard, a Louisiana graduate in systems philosophy, and an engineering consultant and teacher, created the NESARA proposal during the late 1980s and early 1990s. He printed 1000 copies of his proposal in 1996 and sent copies to members of Congress, believing it would pass quickly on its merits. Based on a theory that debt is the number one economic factor inhibiting the growth of the economy, and compound interest the number one "moral evil" and reason for debt, Barnard made several other attempts during the 1990s to draw political attention to the problems he saw in the US economy, and his suggested economic recovery proposal based on the root causes he determined. After these did not succeed, he decided in 2000 to release the proposal to the public domain and publish it on the internet. Barnard also established the NESARA Institute in 2001.[2][3]

Soon after Barnard released NESARA on the internet, a user known as "Dove of Oneness" began posting about it in internet forums. "Dove of Oneness" has since been identified as Shaini Goodwin, a former student of The Ramtha School Of Enlightenment.[2] According to Goodwin's web site, the NESARA bill languished in Congress before finally being passed by a secret session in March 2000 and signed by President Bill Clinton. The website further claimed that the new law was to be announced in 2001, but that a gag order issued by the Supreme Court had prohibited any official or private source from discussing it, under penalty of death.[4][5] Goodwin refers to "White Knights," most of them high-ranking military officials, who have since been struggling to have the law implemented despite opposition by President George W. Bush. Goodwin allegedly believes and purports that Bush orchestrated the September 11, 2001 attacks and the Iraq War as distractions from NESARA.[6][7] Goodwin's description of NESARA goes far beyond Barnard's proposal by cancelling all personal debts, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, declaring world peace, and requiring new presidential and congressional elections. Goodwin often claims that Bush officials are attempting to hack into and bring down her web site to prevent her from publicizing the law.[8]

Investigators who have researched Goodwin's claims found that she began commenting on NESARA in connection with Omega Trust, a fraudulent investment scheme whose creator, Clyde Hood, was on trial at the time. According to Goodwin, Omega Trust investors would receive their returns after NESARA was announced.[2][9] Goodwin repeatedly predicted that the NESARA announcement would occur in the very near future,[10][11][12] although in recent years she has been more reserved in these predictions.[13]

Further development

Since Goodwin began commenting on NESARA, other internet-based conspiracy theorists have latched onto it. One supporter, Sheldan Nidle, ties the imminent NESARA announcement into his years-old prophesy of an imminent UFO invasion by benevolent aliens (occasionally on his website reports, but more prominently in his videos,[14] seminars[15] and public appearances[16]). Jennifer Lee, who used to publish internet NESARA status reports almost daily[17] on her now defunct site, discussed a host of other-worldly and "interdimensional" beings who are helping behind the scenes to get NESARA announced. Internet evangelist Sherry Shriner, who operates many websites, sees NESARA as linked to malevolent reptiloid aliens she feels have long controlled the U.S. Government.[18]

NESARA groups are known for certain to exist and to have attracted press attention in Utah,[19][20] and The Netherlands.[21] Members of these groups get together to discuss the status of NESARA, read the various reports, hold protests, and pass out fliers about NESARA to the public. Goodwin claims that NESARA groups exist throughout several nations and US states including California, Washington, Arizona, and Texas, and provides hundreds of pieces of photographic evidence of people in public protests holding NESARA banners,[22][23] but it is not clear to what degree the people holding the banners are aware of what NESARA is, or for how long these groups were active. The News Tribune has traced the story behind at least some of these photos (photos of trucks driving around Washington DC bearing the words "NESARA Announcement Now!"), and found that they were part of a $40,000 advertising campaign allegedly paid for an elderly San Francisco resident who had made donations to Goodwin.[21]

Criticism and comparison to a cult

Barnard became aware of Goodwin's description of NESARA before his death in 2005. He denied that NESARA had been enacted into law or even assigned a tracking number, and condemned Goodwin's allegations as a disinformation campaign.[24] Goodwin, for her part, dismisses the NESARA Institute as a disinformation front for the Bush family.

Some NESARA detractors claim that NESARA is a cult designed primarily to provide an income to Goodwin and others. They point to the fact that Goodwin, Lee, and Nidle frequently ask their readers to donate money.[25][26][27] Goodwin, who also asks readers to donate their frequent flyer miles,[28] claims that she needs and has used the funds to travel to various locations around the world to secretly meet with high-level government officials about getting NESARA announced.[29][28]

Some NESARA supporters also make the claim that otherworldly beings are working to get NESARA announced. These include a "channeled spirit" called "Hatonn",[30] and another called "Sananda" (claiming to be Jesus)[31] along with Saint Germain, a deity borrowed from The I AM Movement and the Church Universal and Triumphant. Benevolent aliens are also frequently mentioned, most prominently by Nidle, as working towards the NESARA announcement. The designation of George W. Bush as a reptilian often co-occurs with this claim.[32] Goodwin has claimed that Saint Germain has come down from heaven to physically meet with heads of banks and world leaders regarding the NESARA announcement.[33][34]

The prominence of failed prophecy also lends support to the cult theory. NESARA supporters often tell their readers that the NESARA announcement is going to happen in a matter of days. These claims have been made too many times to enumerate, without ever coming to fruition. According to the documentary Waiting For NESARA, the claim was also made prior to March 2003 that George Bush was planning the war with Iraq only to further delay the NESARA announcement. It was prophesied that spiritual beings and UFOs would intervene with Bush's plans and prevent the war.[19]

A June 2006 complaint to the Washington consumer protection division accused Goodwin of using the NESARA story to defraud a 64-year-old San Francisco woman of at least $10,000. The woman's daughter said the actual amount is much larger, in the hundreds of thousands.[21]

NESARA documentary

The documentary film Waiting For NESARA studies a NESARA group in Salt Lake City, Utah, whose members are excommunicated Mormons and hold weekly meetings in a local Kentucky Fried Chicken to discuss NESARA.

Notes and references

  1. ^ Strom, Ron (March 9, 2005). "Monetary changes promise prosperity for all". WorldNetDaily. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43209. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  2. ^ a b c Robinson, Sean (July 18, 2004). "Snared by a Cybercult Queen, Dove of Oneness: First of Two Parts". The News Tribune. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/projects/dove/story/4511397p-4236395c.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  3. ^ "The National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act". http://nesara.org/main/index.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  4. ^ "History Behind the National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA)". NESARA.US. http://www.nesara.us/pages/history.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  5. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (June 2, 2002). "News & Overview: Money, White Knights, NESARA". http://www.nesara.us/june02/June_02__2002_-_News___Overview__Money__White_Knights__NESARA.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  6. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (September 11, 2006). "NESARA's Announcement Brings Truth about 9-11 Attacks". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts06/September_11_2006.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  7. ^ Goodwin, Shaini. "Announcement this Week?". NESARA Update #21. http://www.2012.com.au/NESARA21.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  8. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (November 13, 2005). "26 Million Visits to www.NESARA.US Website; NESARA Video". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts05/November_13_2005.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  9. ^ "NESARA Scam". Quatloos!. http://www.quatloos.com/NESARA.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  10. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (May 4, 2002). "NESARA: Gov. and U.S. Treasury Currency Info; Pros. Prg Deliveries". http://www.nesara.us/may02/May_04__2002_-_NESARA.htm__Gov._and_U.S._Treasury_Currency_Info.htm__Pros._Prg_Deliveries.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  11. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (March 8, 2004). "NESARA Debt Relief in U.S.; Income Taxes End; NESARA Editorial & Confirmations". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts04/March_08_2004.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  12. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (October 13, 2003). "NESARA; Dove Reports Email Improvements; Wild-eyed Currency Stories". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts03/October_13_2003.htm.
  13. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (June 23, 2006). "NESARA Chronicles Parts 4 and 5". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts06/June_23_2006.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  14. ^ "PAO Products". Planetary Activitation Organization. http://www.paoweb.com/products.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  15. ^ Pendleton, Chyrene (May 1, 2005). "Prosperity is a State of Mind". The Isle of Light. http://theisleoflight.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_archive.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  16. ^ "Guest Information". The Isle of Light. http://www.theisleoflight.com/Television/tiolguests.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  17. ^ Lee, Jennifer. "Jennifer Lee NESARA Reports". http://www.quatloos.com/jennifer-updates.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  18. ^ Shriner, Sherry. "NESARA Sucks: The Beast Economic Program". http://www.nesarasucks.com/. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  19. ^ a b Haradon, Zeb and Elisa. "Waiting for NESARA". http://waitingfornesara.com/. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  20. ^ Robinson, Sean (August 6, 2004). "Documentary spotlights NESARA cult; Dove's followers". The News Tribune. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/projects/dove/story/4511403p-4236400c.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  21. ^ a b c Robinson, Sean (June 18, 2006). "Some lucrative 'New Age hooey'". The News Tribune. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/crime/story/5835335p-5196095c.html. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  22. ^ Goodwin's Web site includes several photo galleries[1][2][3]
  23. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (October 2, 2005). "NESARA Finishes Farm Claims Actions; NTAT Report; Canadians Sue Banks". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts05/October_02_2005.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  24. ^ "Rumors - The "Real" NESARA". The NESARA Institute. http://nesara.org/articles/the_real_nesara.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  25. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (February 6, 2007). "NESARA Lights Carry NESARA Forward". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts07/February_06_2007.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  26. ^ Nidle, Sheldan. "Sheldan Nidle Updates". http://www.paoweb.com/updates.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  27. ^ Lee, Jennifer (October 7, 2003). "Jennifer Lee NESARA Reports". http://www.quatloos.com/jennifer_report.php?id=403. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  28. ^ a b Goodwin, Shaini (October 24, 2004). "NESARA; Bush Regime Stalls 9-11 Report by CIA Group; NTAT Reports". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts04/October_24_2004.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  29. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (July 18, 2004). "The Truth About Dove of Oneness: Her Life & Activities". http://www.nesara.us/doverpts04/July_18_2004.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  30. ^ Ward, Suzy (July 18, 2005). "Special NESARA Edition". The Matthew Books. http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=61&z=2. Retrieved 2007-09-25. Ward claims to write books that are "channeled" from her son, Matthew, who died in April, 1980 at the age of 17. The message cited is claimed to be channeled through a different spirit called "Hatonn".
  31. ^ Peterson, Ken. "Sananda on NESARA and Compassion". http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/sananda_on_nesara_and_compassion.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  32. ^ Icke, David. "The Windsor-Bush Bloodline". http://fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=7760. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  33. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (April 28, 2007). "Peace Ordered; Corp. Eviction; Ascended Masters Working On Our Behalf". http://www.nesara.us/apr02/April_28__2002_-_Peace_Ordered__Corp._Eviction__Ascended_Masters_Working_On_Our_Behalf.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
  34. ^ Goodwin, Shaini (July 28, 2002). "Support NESARA Fully to Receive Full Prosperity". http://www.nesara.us/july02/July_28__2002_-_Support_NESARA_Fully_to_Receive_Full_Prosperity.htm. Retrieved 2007-09-25.

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12/14/2009 6:01:35 PM
Hi Evelyn,

You hit the nail on the head. Questions asked are not answered. Quite the opposite they try to silence the questioner without taking the effort to answer legitimate questions. The obvious conclusion is that they have no answers other then the fairy tales they post and nothing can be substantiated.

It's as if they keep on looking for new and better fairy tales even if they contradict the previous tale. The point I tried to make in my post was that all the fabricated stories none of which are substantiated make any difference now since they are all in 5D. Who needs nesara there, and who cares if the bad guys (black hats) are here or not once you've ascended to the 5D?

If you read the fables there you must have noticed the frequent usage of the word "discernment". What are they preaching if you need discernment???

Now that we all are in 5D I still can't see the difference between the 3D world we lived in yesterday and the new and improved 5D world.

Now as to nesara. According to the fables we've been in nesara since last year and thousands no tens of thousands have been arrested. Many have been executed and what we see are clones not real people. But the question remains if we're in 5D what difference does it make?

Do you understand now why I'm sooooooooo confused? :)

Shalom,

Peter
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12/14/2009 6:15:55 PM
But the question remains if we're in 5D what difference does it make?

Do you understand now why I'm sooooooooo confused? :)

Oh now I understand what you are saying. If everyone has ascended to 5D what is the purpose of banning someone from a forum? What possible harm could they do? Yes now I understand why you are sooooooo confused and I must admit now I'm confused. Hmmmm We've all ascended to 5D yet every thing is still the same. Verrrrryyyy confusing. Rats. I wanted my $10,000,000 from NESARA. Wouldn't that have been a wonderful Chistmas gift? :)
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