Hi Arthur, I would have more time to promote my real websites! Now wouldn't that be a unique topic if conversation in a forum about profit on the internet. ;)

Hello Gary, Yes you are very correct in what you say, I was mainly making reference to the money not being theirs after it exchanged hands. In my case it was MINE ALL MINE!

Sorry Peter and other forumites, Is that me doing that? LOL - It annoyed me too. I thought it was the system. Sorry folks. I will keep it in mind. Gary Simpson

Hi Winston -- I'm glad to say i'm a littel ahead, as of this week. That's based on expense vs. revenue, and if you consider what I've got laying out there on longer term accounts, I'm doing quite well, actually. This morning i discovered one of my programs has problems -- Mission HIts -- honest techie type for the admin, will probably change the %/term to 1/365 to survive. I wouldn't put money against MH just now. The MH admin is very popular because of his honesty, and he has a pretty strong support base among his members, although some are screaming "scam". If he goes ahead and changes the terms as I indicasted, I think he'll have a good chance of lasting a lot longer. I'll be updating my web site to reflect extreme caution on this as soon as I can, probably tonite.

Arthur all the assertions being made about Ponzi schemes are genereal comments -- you have to evaluate each program's terms and comments made by the admin. I personally shy way from sites that are obviously pure ponzi. Having said that, I think it's fair to say that ALL of them have an element of ponzi to them, by their very design. However, people that state or imply that all autosurf programs are 100% Ponzi just haven't done their homework or perhaps never took the dive and EXPERIENCED this mode of making money on line. It really irks me when I hear people making moralistic assertions who can't even cite one experience. You can only talk about what you know. In the case of 12daily, they definitely have both internal and external income streams. The only reason i am experimenting with these programs is that FOREX and stock market trading makes my head hurt!! I get tired of having to monitor my Bollinger Bands on an hourly basis!! The autosurf equation is much more simple -- correctly evaluate the business model, income streams and admin integrity, and you make money. Fail to do that and you lose money. Pretty simple. Take Care, and don't let the naysayers influence your thinking too much, unless htey are able to cite factaul info. I'd like to suggest that everyone on this thread that has bashed paid autosurfs cite what autosurf experiencfes you actually had to back up your assertions. Conversely, if you're pro autosurfs, cite objective info. Those with questions just need to ask the question. But if you've had no actual experience with autosrufs, you're probably not qualified to make any kind of judgmental comment whatever. Same thing applies to legalities -- if you can't at least cite a specific law suit or criminal case, an accusation or infrerence that a law is being broke is libel, pure and simple.