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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
5/14/2011 7:50:53 PM
What a GREAT video/audio. Do you know what is so astounding to me is there is all this evidence out there for anyone to see and hear and our justice system does nothing about this criminal imposter occupying the White House and sadly there are still too many people who refuse to accept what is staring them in the face.
Everyone needs to listen to this one all the way to the end because there are some very good points made at the end.

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Hello Robert & All,

I agree with you that we all have our own truths and believe what our logic and minds dictate to us. Yet I refuse to accept what you refer to as "makes sense" without proof. Proof is black and white the colors in between might make sense to you but not to others. I always try to base my beliefs on things that can be proven with facts and not allegations and innuendos that might make sense to some but can't be backed up with hard evidence that can't be refuted.

The below video is packed with hard evidence that might be uncomfortable to many but can't be refuted cos the "black and white" evidence is there and can't be denied. In this case I'm referring yet again to the fraud sitting in the White House and according to the evidence alluded to in the video shows that not only is he a fraud and incompetent he's also a criminal.

Shalom,

Peter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-9QeJqSneA&feature


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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
5/14/2011 10:23:56 PM
Hello Peter,

By golly, you do shout back! (“I refuse to accept what you refer to as "makes sense" without proof.”). Makes sense is just a preliminary to proof. I can even say that when no proof is available, which often happens then the amount of presumptions and sense making evidence is sufficient.
Let us take the argument differently, BHO has not shown his birth certificate even as he is sitting in the Whitehouse. The presumption is sufficient to court injunction him into showing it or to step down, and for the latter it would be without undisputable proof. The western world has fallen into weakness ever since they have accepted to swallow for the sake of “I wish no problems” the Kennedy assassination official report, 9/11, and presently the OBL fake, these incidents are in no way exhaustive, just as abortion is murder, nothing less nothing different. But it’s not civil to individualise towards any one concerning this, I believe in education not in fighting. (Who stopped Europeans educating in Africa from where the general problems are presently coming from?)
Finally, there are obviously many things that differ between us, and so what?

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
5/15/2011 7:08:30 AM
Hi Robert,
You're funny my good friend I wasn't shouting cos when I do I use all caps. :) I was simply disagreeing and that's happened between us a few times in the past and might happen again in the future. That only makes the conversation all the more interesting and doesn't in the least affect our friendship.
"Makes sense" is relative to your point of view hence what might make sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense to me. Therefor proof is the only way to finalize an issue or put paid to dissenting views. Lets take the B Hussein issue. He refused to release his long form COLB and when he finally did it was shown to be a forgery. Now that alone should make the issue all the more interesting but unfortunately it doesn't and many MSM included are accepting it as if there is nothing wrong with it and is a legitimate document. But, and there is a big but here cos the birth certificate was never necessary since his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth and that disqualifies his eligibility constitutionally to hold the office of President of the USA. Yet, he's still sitting in the WH fraud that he is and it's being totally ignored. In a previous post I added an audio/video proving that he's using a false SS number and the proof still isn't sufficient to get the MSM in an uproar but their silence is thunderous.
So Robert, even when there is proof it's not always sufficient so when it only "makes sense" to some certainly isn't going to hold any water.
Thanks for your comments and continued support of my threads.
Shalom,
Peter

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Hello Peter,

By golly, you do shout back! (“I refuse to accept what you refer to as "makes sense" without proof.”). Makes sense is just a preliminary to proof. I can even say that when no proof is available, which often happens then the amount of presumptions and sense making evidence is sufficient.
Let us take the argument differently, BHO has not shown his birth certificate even as he is sitting in the Whitehouse. The presumption is sufficient to court injunction him into showing it or to step down, and for the latter it would be without undisputable proof. The western world has fallen into weakness ever since they have accepted to swallow for the sake of “I wish no problems” the Kennedy assassination official report, 9/11, and presently the OBL fake, these incidents are in no way exhaustive, just as abortion is murder, nothing less nothing different. But it’s not civil to individualise towards any one concerning this, I believe in education not in fighting. (Who stopped Europeans educating in Africa from where the general problems are presently coming from?)
Finally, there are obviously many things that differ between us, and so what?

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
5/15/2011 7:12:03 AM
Hello Friends,

George Soros the king maker and the man behind the scenes in this present administration (regime is a better word) is linked to over 30 major news organizations. Why in the world doesn't that surprise me? I would have bet my last dollar that this was so without the below information but when an assumption is turned into a fact it's still a chilling thing to deal with.

We all knew the MSM are progressive socialist to say the least but now their hatred of all that America stands for is so much easier to understand. Over the years I felt a great animosity towards many so called journalists who rather then report as they're supposed to gave opinions and biased information. Ignoring the facts and and twisting them to suit their purpose and now we know what that purpose was and is. George Soros' agenda to undermine and destroy the United States of America.

The below information is part of the soon to be released report by the Media Research Center's Business and Media Institute that's been investigating George Soros and his influence on the media and many other nefarious associations.

Shalom,

Peter

Over 30 Major News Organizations Linked to George Soros


ABCs Amanpour, Post VP Downie on boards of groups funded by left-wing billionaire.
  • By Dan Gainor
  • Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:15 PM EDT

First of Four Parts

When liberal investor George Soros gave $1.8 million to National Public Radio, it became part of the firestorm of controversy that jeopardized NPR's federal funding. But that gift only hints at the widespread influence the controversial billionaire has on the mainstream media. Soros, who spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush in 2004, has ties to more than 30 mainstream news outlets - including The New York Times, Washington Post, the Associated Press, NBC and ABC.

Prominent journalists like ABC's Christiane Amanpour and former Washington Post editor and now Vice President Len Downie serve on boards of operations that take Soros cash. This despite the Society of Professional Journalist's ethical code stating: "avoid all conflicts real or perceived."

This information is part of an upcoming report by the Media Research Centers Business & Media Institute which has been looking into George Soros and his influence on the media.

The investigative reporting start-up ProPublica is a prime example. ProPublica, which recently won its second Pulitzer Prize, initially was given millions of dollars from the Sandler Foundation to "strengthen the progressive infrastructure" - "progressive" the code for very liberal. In 2010, it also received a two-year contribution of $125,000 each year from the Open Society Foundations. In case you wonder where that money comes from, the OSF website is www.soros.org. It is a network of more than 30 international foundations, mostly funded by Soros, who has contributed more than $8 billion to those efforts.

The ProPublica stories are thoroughly researched by top-notch staffers who used to work at some of the biggest news outlets in the nation. But the topics are almost laughably left-wing. The site's proud list of "Our Investigations" includes attacks on oil companies, gas companies, the health care industry, for-profit schools and more. More than 100 stories on the latest lefty cause: opposition to drilling for natural gas by hydraulic fracking. Another 100 on the evils of the foreclosure industry.

Throw in a couple investigations making the military look bad and another about prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and you have almost the perfect journalism fantasy - a huge budget, lots of major media partners and a liberal agenda unconstrained by advertising.

One more thing: a 14-person Journalism Advisory Board, stacked with CNN's David Gergen and representatives from top newspapers, a former publisher of The Wall Street Journal and the editor-in-chief of Simon & Schuster. Several are working journalists, including:


  • Jill Abramson, a managing editor of The New York Times;
  • Martin D. Baron, the editor of The Boston Globe;
  • David Boardman, the executive editor of the Seattle Times;
  • Kerry Smith, the senior vice president for editorial quality of ABC News;
  • Cynthia A. Tucker, the editor of the editorial page of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
  • Alberto Ibargüen, the former publisher of The Miami Herald, is on the board of directors. He's also president and CEO of journalism's prestigious John S. and James L. Knight Foundation.

ProPublica is new and prominent, but it's far from the only Soros-funded organization that is stacked with members of the supposedly neutral press. The Center for Public Integrity is another great example. Its board of directors is filled with working journalists like Amanpour from ABC, right along side blatant liberal media types like Arianna Huffington, of the Huffington Post and now AOL.

Like ProPublica, the CPI board is a veritable Who's Who of journalism and top media organizations, including:


  • Christiane Amanpour - Anchor of ABC's Sunday morning political affairs program, 'This Week with Christiane Amanpour.' A reliable lefty, she has called tax cuts 'giveaways,' the Tea Party 'extreme,' and Obama 'very Reaganesque.'
  • Arianna Huffington - Co-founder of the popular left-wing website named after her, The Huffington Post, a nationally syndicated columnist, and thanks to a recent $315 million sale, the person in charge of AOL's news divisions.
  • Paula Madison - Executive vice president and chief diversity officer for NBC Universal, who leads NBC Universal's corporate diversity initiatives, spanning all broadcast television, cable, digital, and film properties.
  • Matt Thompson - Editorial product manager at National Public Radio and an adjunct faculty member at the prominent Poynter Institute.

Once again, like ProPublica, the center's investigations are mostly liberal - attacks on the coal industry, payday loans and conservatives like Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour. The Center for Public Integrity is also more open about its politics, including a detailed investigation into conservative funders David and Charles Koch and their "web of influence." According to the center's own 990 tax forms, the Open Society Institute gave it $651,650 in 2009 alone.

The well-known Center for Investigative Reporting follows the same template - important journalists on the board and a liberal editorial agenda. Both the board of directors and the advisory board contain journalists from major news outlets. The board features:

  • Phil Bronstein (President), San Francisco Chronicle;
  • David Boardman, The Seattle Times;
  • Len Downie, former Executive Editor of the Washington Post, now VP;
  • George Osterkamp, CBS News producer.

The Advisory Board features prominent liberal journalists like Bill Moyers, Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker, former '60 Minutes' host Mike Wallace, and representatives of both PBS and NPR.

Readers of the site are greeted with numerous stories on climate change, illegal immigration and the evils of big companies. It counts among its media partners The Washington Post, Salon, CNN and ABC News. CIR received close to $1 million from Open Society from 2003 to 2008.

Why does it all matter? Journalists, we are constantly told, are neutral in their reporting. In almost the same breath, many bemoan the influence of money in politics. It is a maxim of both the left and many in the media that conservatives are bought and paid for by business interests. Yet where are the concerns about where their money comes from?

Fred Brown, who recently revised the book "Journalism Ethics: A Casebook of Professional Conduct for News Media," argues journalists need to be "transparent" about their connections and "be up front about your relationship" with those who fund you.

Unfortunately, that rarely happens. While the nonprofits list who sits on their boards, the news outlets they work for make little or no effort to connect those dots. Amanpour's biography page, for instance, talks about her lengthy career, her time at CNN and her many awards. It makes no mention of her affiliation with the Center for Public Integrity.

If journalists were more up front, they would have to admit numerous uncomfortable connections with groups that push a liberal agenda, many of them funded by the stridently liberal George Soros. So don't expect that transparency any time soon.

Dan Gainor is the Boone Pickens Fellow and the Media Research Center's Vice President for Business and Culture. His column appears each week on The Fox Forum. He can also be contacted on FaceBook and Twitter as dangainor.

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
5/18/2011 4:57:02 PM
Hello Friends,

I find it extremely interesting that the fraudulent long form COLB issue isn't being acted on by politicians. As each day goes by there is more and more proof that it's a fraudulent document. Even more surprising is the fact that he's ineligible to be President of the United States of America cause his father wasn't a US citizen at the time if his birth. Even if the COLB was a legitimate document he's ineligible and this too is being ignored by the Politicians (forget MSM they're in B Hussein's back pocket apparently cos of Soros' influence and links to so many media organizations).

In any case here's some more proof that his long form COLB is a fraudulent document.

Shalom,

Peter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58vFN2FFu2U

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