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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/10/2011 7:46:20 PM
Hello Amanda,

Let me start off by saying that there is no way I could ever support Ron Paul. I gave you a list of reasons and explanations a few times now and I will not repeat myself again.

In my last post about this I told you to read comments made by Ronbots on uncomplimentary articles about RP. They come out of the woodwork like cockroaches and do what they do best. My question then was why does he attract these people and other candidates don't? The old saying goes birds of a feather flock together is very relevant in my opinion. I didn't say all those who support him are antisemites.

His voting record during all his years in regard to Israel has been against and he voted no in all cases bar none.

That said I'll repeat only 2 salient points I've mentioned in the past.

1. He blames America for Jihadi terrorist attacks.

2. He sees no problem with Iran becoming a nuclear power.

These 2 points alone make him a pariah FOR ME and there are many more that can be added to the list.

In regard to Netanyahu agreeing with him that's a ludicrous statement and a simpleminded attempt to show he's of one mind with Netanyahu while nothing can be farther from the truth.

He says we should be friends with Israel and all I can say with friends like him who needs enemies. Up till now Israel and America were considered to be allies which is a completely different story. But the bottom line is he won't even be a friend cos he never was a friend to Israel.

We all have the right to pick and choose who we support and who we could never support. He's on my never ever list and so it will remain.

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Peter

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/10/2011 11:00:00 PM
Hello Peter,

I was half way sure that you only skim over much of the contents that I post and your reply has confirmed my feelings.

If you read back to my last 2nd to last post on the 8th I talked about many issues why I am a Truther and,you would have also read that I am not supporting Ron Paul to vote him in because I reckon the unelected Govt (Banksters e.g. President of Goldman Sachs etc whom are running the Govt) are not going to let anyone through except for Obama they will either rig the election and steal the votes like Bush Administration or there will be a False Flag event .....and my other reasons...
But I was promoting Paul because it scares them...I hate their guts because this Govt is evil, so corrupted and hell bent on destroying the US and killing us off by way of the many poisonings, toxins via the air (chemtrails - radiations) water (flouride) soil to grow crops and vegetables (pesticides and GMO seeds Genetically Modified Organisms Frankenstein seeds) which effect animals, humans internally. our teeth have mercury fillings with is poisonous and the list goes on. We are slowly dying from their slow kill.

My last post I shared interesting and informative information that a Marine spoke of regarding the Govt having soldiers grow opium and guarding the crops in Afghanistan - but you did not comment of this corruption either.

All you heard or read in both my posts was Ron Paul and you shut off your ears and eyes and repeated your spiel why you don't like him..

I feel that my contributions are wasted air time and spinning my wheels so I am finished on these threads and will see you at other members that we participate and your jokes.

Amanda




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Hello Amanda,

Let me start off by saying that there is no way I could ever support Ron Paul. I gave you a list of reasons and explanations a few times now and I will not repeat myself again.

In my last post about this I told you to read comments made by Ronbots on uncomplimentary articles about RP. They come out of the woodwork like cockroaches and do what they do best. My question then was why does he attract these people and other candidates don't? The old saying goes birds of a feather flock together is very relevant in my opinion. I didn't say all those who support him are antisemites.

His voting record during all his years in regard to Israel has been against and he voted no in all cases bar none.

That said I'll repeat only 2 salient points I've mentioned in the past.

1. He blames America for Jihadi terrorist attacks.

2. He sees no problem with Iran becoming a nuclear power.

These 2 points alone make him a pariah FOR ME and there are many more that can be added to the list.

In regard to Netanyahu agreeing with him that's a ludicrous statement and a simpleminded attempt to show he's of one mind with Netanyahu while nothing can be farther from the truth.

He says we should be friends with Israel and all I can say with friends like him who needs enemies. Up till now Israel and America were considered to be allies which is a completely different story. But the bottom line is he won't even be a friend cos he never was a friend to Israel.

We all have the right to pick and choose who we support and who we could never support. He's on my never ever list and so it will remain.

Shalom,

Peter

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/11/2011 5:54:03 AM
Hello Amanda,

In the past you made the same claim that I skim through your posts and I've refuted that then as I am now.

I read your comments on your being a truther and that Alex Jones is your favorite source for alternative news. I chose not to reply to that since we've discussed that in the past in this thread and I explained my reasons for not being a truther. I chose not to repeat myself again on my thoughts on Jones and the truther issues.

I also chose not to comment on your claim that you're not supporting Paul to vote him in but cos it "scares" the MSM and the powers who you claim will not allow anyone to win other then B Hussein. I thought it was either a very naive comment or an excuse for supporting Paul. You can't support someone in different threads and then claim your support is not really to get him elected but to scare people. That simply is not a very logical claim and one that I chose not to comment on then but now only to explain why I skipped over that.

I wrote in the Hypocrite thread that sometimes ignoring specific posts or parts of posts is a statement on its own and with the points you raised that is definitely the case. There was more then one reason the main one being that the majority of the issues have been discussed in the past as I mentioned above. As an aside this thread is not a truther thread and never has been yet I did reply in the past quite a few times my reasons for not accepting the conspiracy theories.

We all have our reasons for posting what we do and dealing with issues that are important to us. I chose to start threads that deal with issues that are important to me and try and pass on as much information as possible on these issues. I wonder why you don't start your own forum on issues you find important since I'm sure you'll get many that will participate and respond to your posts.

So as far as skimming over your posts please be assured I read everything posted in my threads but when subjects that have been discussed in the past are brought up again I simply choose not to respond. Maybe in the future I'll simply write discussed and responded to.

You're always welcome to post in any of my threads but whether you do or not is your choice.

Shalom,

Peter

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/12/2011 6:52:08 PM

Hello Peter and friends. I wanted to share this article I just received in an email.

By Dr. Thomas Sowell
The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama's America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly.
It is an America where history is rewritten to honor dictators, murderers and thieves. It is an America where violence, racism, hatred, class warfare and murder are all promoted as acceptable means of overturning the American civil society.
It is an America where humans have been degraded to the level of animals: defecating in public, having sex in public, devoid of basic hygiene. It is an America where the basic tenets of a civil society, including faith, family, a free press and individual rights, have been rejected. It is an America where our founding documents have been shredded and, with them, every person's guaranteed liberties.
It is an America where, ultimately, great suffering will come to the American people, but the rulers like Obama, Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, liberal college professors, union bosses and other loyal liberal/Communist Party members will live in opulent splendor.
It is the America that Obama and the Democratic Party have created with the willing assistance of the American media, Hollywood , unions, universities, the Communist Party of America, the Black Panthers and numerous anti-American foreign entities.
Barack Obama has brought more destruction upon this country in four years than any other event in the history of our nation, but it is just the beginning of what he and his comrades are capable of.
The Occupy Wall Street movement is just another step in their plan for the annihilation of America . "Socialism, in general, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
Thomas Sowell
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Thomas Sowell (born June 30, 1930) is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher, and author. A National Humanities Medal winner, he advocates laissez-faire economics and writes from a libertarian perspective. He is currently a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
Sowell was born in North Carolina, but grew up in Harlem, New York. He dropped out of high school, and served in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. He had received a bachelor's degree from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his doctorate degree in economics from the University of Chicago.
Dr. Sowell has served on the faculties of several universities, including Cornell and University of California, Los Angeles, and worked for "think tanks" such as the Urban Institute. Since 1980 he has worked at the Hoover Institution. He is the author of more than 30 books.

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/12/2011 7:23:49 PM
Thomas Sowell has such a way when putting my thoughts to words. LOL I concur, I concur, I concur!

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Hello Peter and friends. I wanted to share this article I just received in an email.

By Dr. Thomas Sowell
The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama's America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly.
It is an America where history is rewritten to honor dictators, murderers and thieves. It is an America where violence, racism, hatred, class warfare and murder are all promoted as acceptable means of overturning the American civil society.
It is an America where humans have been degraded to the level of animals: defecating in public, having sex in public, devoid of basic hygiene. It is an America where the basic tenets of a civil society, including faith, family, a free press and individual rights, have been rejected. It is an America where our founding documents have been shredded and, with them, every person's guaranteed liberties.
It is an America where, ultimately, great suffering will come to the American people, but the rulers like Obama, Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, liberal college professors, union bosses and other loyal liberal/Communist Party members will live in opulent splendor.
It is the America that Obama and the Democratic Party have created with the willing assistance of the American media, Hollywood , unions, universities, the Communist Party of America, the Black Panthers and numerous anti-American foreign entities.
Barack Obama has brought more destruction upon this country in four years than any other event in the history of our nation, but it is just the beginning of what he and his comrades are capable of.
The Occupy Wall Street movement is just another step in their plan for the annihilation of America . "Socialism, in general, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
Thomas Sowell
***********************************************************************
Thomas Sowell (born June 30, 1930) is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher, and author. A National Humanities Medal winner, he advocates laissez-faire economics and writes from a libertarian perspective. He is currently a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
Sowell was born in North Carolina, but grew up in Harlem, New York. He dropped out of high school, and served in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. He had received a bachelor's degree from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his doctorate degree in economics from the University of Chicago.
Dr. Sowell has served on the faculties of several universities, including Cornell and University of California, Los Angeles, and worked for "think tanks" such as the Urban Institute. Since 1980 he has worked at the Hoover Institution. He is the author of more than 30 books.

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