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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/7/2011 10:48:17 PM
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Oops! Ali Sina is offering $50,000, NOT $100,000. To get the straight goods on what Ali is saying go to his website >>> www.faithfreedom.org

Helen


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Thank you, Peter for the Ali Sina post. That guy is one great guy. For those who don't know anything about him, he's an ex-muslim and as far as I know is secular and not affiliated with any religion ...at the moment.

His website is www.faithfreedom.org

He calls Muhammad, "Prophet Muhammad: A Monster of History" and has a blistering article by the same name on his website. Ali offers Muslims $100,000 if they can use the Qur'an to prove him wrong and he says if they do prove him wrong, he will return to the Muslim faith. He's quite a character. Muslims hate him but when they argue with him, they often leave Islam and side with him. Pretty amazing.

For those who pray, let's remember him in our prayers as I imagine he is in grave danger almost all the time. In Islam, the penalty for apostasy is death!

Helen


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/8/2011 8:22:39 AM
Hi Robert,

Having been raised in a religious home and a graduate of a religious High School and in addition to still being a student of the Bible and Talmud (and a part time student of the Kaballah) I have to say that I've never been witness to any occult practices in the Jewish religion.

The only part of your post I find that needs to be expanded on is your comment about the following.
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The problem is that Christians and Catholics right up to the top of the ladder, have turned from their faith and have only themselves to blame. Similarly I will dare to say and bear the thunder of you Peter, LOL that this goes also for the Jews in their new country since 1946 with regards to Islam.
. The Israeli people can be divided into 2 sections as far as faith is concerned. 50% are observant Jews and 50% non observant Jews. As you might know the Bible (Torah) has 613 laws that must be observed. It's called Taryag Mitzvot תרי"ג מצות. In Jewish numerology: ת= 400, ר=200, י= 10, ג= 3. These are quite a few laws as you can readily understand and the way I see it is thus. The observant orthodox Jew tries his best to observe all the laws. The non observant Jews observe part of the laws. Now let me give you a few examples.

Just recently we had our Yom Kippur fast day. The holiest day in the Jewish religion. It starts at sundown and ends at sunset the following day. During the day people go to Synagogue and pray to God for forgiveness for all their sins, fast, no travel whatsoever is allowed aside from emergency services. You'll find that the majority of the non observant Jews fast on Yom Kippur and 100% of them don't travel on this day.

This month we celebrate Chanukah. A holiday of celebration of the victory of the Maccabees over the Romans. Almost 100% of the families in Israel light the Chanukkah candles during the 8 days of the holiday.

There are many more examples I could give but the point being whether you're religious Jew or not you are umbilically connected to your faith. The degree of your observance is the major difference. Now to be totally honest there is very small minority to which the above doesn't apply but all religions have them. So, in answer to your above comment Israelis haven't turned from their faith and they all feel and believe they are part of the Jewish religion in both faith and its history. It's interesting to note though that over the past few decades many non observant Jews are returning to the fold of the observant Jews. Just a point of interest.

I could elaborate much more on this subject and go into much more detail and examples but I don't feel it's necessary.

One parting point. Terms like ex-communication or being being thrown out of a church for acts unacceptable to the church hierarchy is non existent in the Jewish religion. If you were born a Jew you are considered a Jew till your dieing day whether you are observant or not.

Shalom,

Peter


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RE: HSIG - A Pakistani Love Story
11/8/2011 8:27:50 AM
Hello Friends,

Amongst the many ways Islam differs from Western Culture is their treatment and abuse of women and little girls. We've discussed many atrocities against women in general up to and including honor killings, stoning, whipping, disfigurement and so much more.

A religion that accepts this sort of behavior as the norm especially when the big Mo is the original perpetrator of these acts and is to be emulated is to be ostracized by the Western world instead of being ignored in the name of political correctness and multiculturalism. This is only a smidgen of the atrocities allowed in accordance with Sharia law and instead of crying out against it even American courts are using it to reach rulings as was discussed in previous articles in this thread.

The below article by Daniel Greenfield is sad and shows how vicious Islam and it's barbaric Sharia law is.

Shalom,

Peter

A Pakistani Love Story

Posted: 06 Nov 2011 08:00 PM PST

It's still quite a while till Valentine's Day in the United States, but in Pakistan the day of love came early as a Romeo named Ahmed Yusuf threw acid in the face of his 9 year old Juliet, his wife/cousin causing extensive burns over her body.

Ahmed Yusuf couldn't have known any better. Throwing acid at a woman in Pakistan is their culture's version of roses and chocolate. And since he was only 10 years old, his father and brothers were happy to help out.

After the father who had married off a 9 year old girl to her 10 year old cousin noticed the acid burns, which the family tried to pass off as a skin condition, he earned a "Father of the Year" trophy by taking her back home, but that didn't dissuade his brother and nephews who showed up and thew acid on her again.

Now the acid burned girl and father are on the run with the Pakistani police in hot pursuit because the local law favors turning the girl back to her husband. The whole thing might end in an honor-killing or charges of adultery, a term that in the Muslim world covers everything from marrying without a father's permission to being gang raped in an alley.

What could a 9 year old girl possibly have done that would result in multiple acid attacks from her own uncle/father-in-law and her child husband? The answer is simple. She was a 9 year old girl in a culture where weakness only inspires cruelty, where animals are routinely tortured and people are treated like animals.

This whole lovely scene took place in Faisalbad, one of Pakistan's largest cities built up by the British as Lyallpur after Sir James Lyall that was later renamed Faisalbad, after King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. The new name is far more fitting than the old, Lyall for all his faults was not known to rape and torture nine year old girls.

Quite a lot of Pakistan is named after that old Saudi prune, who was a backer of its Islamist ruling thug, General Haq and his Hudood laws which made any woman bringing a rape complaint guilty of adultery. 9 out of 10 female prisoners in Pakistani jails are there under the Hoodud laws.

When Faisal was finally put down by one of his own nephews who had gone to Berkeley, dropped acid and decided that maybe modernization was the way to go, he left behind a legacy of Saudi power used to leverage Islamism around the world.

When the defenders of the Tunisian and Libyan regimes who are rushing to eliminate all family laws that contradict Sharia explain that "Political Islam is a necessary gateway for Middle East democracy", what they really mean is that you have to break a lot of 9 year old girls to make a democratic omelet.

Don't fear the Islamists in Egypt, in Tunisia, in Turkey and Libya. They're well intentioned folks who want democracy. A democracy under which 9 year old girls are property to be bought and sold by the acclamation of the voters, who just happen to be doing the buying and selling.

Saddam may have had his rape rooms and Mubarak's thugs may have assaulted women, but under the Islamists every house has its rape room and every marriage is an assault.

Men like Austria's Josef Fritzl or America's Phillip Garrido are not an aberration under Islam. They are the norm, as mainstream as a white picket fence and chapel. And as Islam becomes mainstream in the West, the end of the protection extended to children is also coming to an end. It was a long battle to raise the age of consent in the UK with the Criminal Law Amendment Act in the 19th century, but as London turns to Londonistan, it will go the way of female rulers, cartoons and ham sandwiches.

There are plenty of love stories like these coming out of Faisalbad. A 12 year old girl was sold off in marriage to an 82 year old man, whose third wife he had murdered by the girl's father. The father got out of jail and got five acres of land, and a girl who in America would be going trick or treating ended up in a nightmare that her American counterparts could not even begin to imagine.

As the 82 year old landlord put it, he was "owed a wife" and it doesn't much matter where you get the wife from. Since his murdered third wife had been a cousin of her murderer, it was all kept in the family. The only good news here is that he might be too arthritic to throw acid in her face.

According to the police no laws were broken, "because the girl is an adult as per Islamic Law and Shariah. She is 12-years-old and that is not too young for marriage" Being an adult doesn't mean that she can get married on her own, or drive a car or vote-- it just means she's eligible to be raped every night by an 82 year old man. That's the only adult status allotted to Muslim women.

Don't get the idea that Pakistani law enforcement is completely useless. When a 5 year old was married off, they did intervene to the bafflement of the fellow who was sanctifying the love match. "This marriage is allowed in Islam and it is not against the law." And he does have a point. The prophet of Islam married a 7 year old, though he may have waited as long as two years before sexually assaulting her.

The difference between a 5 year old, a 7 year, a 9 year old and a 12 year old is one of those things that you have to be an Imam to properly understand. What did it matter that, "the child had no idea what was happening. She didn’t know she had gotten married or that her father was also getting married to her new sister-in-law." Aisha was playing with dolls until her father traded her for a top spot in Mo's brand new religion. The nameless 5 year old girl's father traded her for a marriage to her husband's sister.

Why does all this matter to us? Pakistan isn't just over there, it's over here. Jessie Bender, a 13 year old girl from California, ran away before she was set to be taken to Pakistan and married off by her mother's Pakistani boyfriend. How many other girls like her never got the chance to run away? How many of them weren't 13 but 9 or 7 or 5?

We're not discussing the quaint customs of some distant country anymore, as Islam grows the tribal savagery of a land where little girls are bought and sold right here in our backyard by people whose religion tells them that women are chattel.

What does a 13 year old American girl go for in Pakistan? Three thousand dollars. You might want to remember that number the next time another episode of Mosque on the Prairie airs or an expert says that we shouldn't fear the rise of political Islam in Libya or Tunisia or London. The next time you see a cheerful news report on a local Muslim community celebrating Eid, remember the number.

Three thousand dollars or three thousand lives, it doesn't matter much. Once we agree to let Islam in then all the talk about moderates and standards is a matter of setting the price. The question is do we want to bargain for the lives and rights of our children?
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/8/2011 8:31:48 AM
Hi Helen,

Ali Sina is indeed a man to respected for his outstanding work. Whether Ali is offering $50,000 or $100,000 for anyone to disprove his claims to date no one's taken him up on it. Sorta proves his point doesn't it?

Shalom,

Peter

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Hello all

Oops! Ali Sina is offering $50,000, NOT $100,000. To get the straight goods on what Ali is saying go to his website >>> www.faithfreedom.org

Helen


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Thank you, Peter for the Ali Sina post. That guy is one great guy. For those who don't know anything about him, he's an ex-muslim and as far as I know is secular and not affiliated with any religion ...at the moment.

His website is www.faithfreedom.org

He calls Muhammad, "Prophet Muhammad: A Monster of History" and has a blistering article by the same name on his website. Ali offers Muslims $100,000 if they can use the Qur'an to prove him wrong and he says if they do prove him wrong, he will return to the Muslim faith. He's quite a character. Muslims hate him but when they argue with him, they often leave Islam and side with him. Pretty amazing.

For those who pray, let's remember him in our prayers as I imagine he is in grave danger almost all the time. In Islam, the penalty for apostasy is death!

Helen


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/8/2011 10:52:21 AM


Hello everyone

I don't know if this is the forum for this political speech but if the US does not get rid of Obama, the US will be a Muslim nation in another 4 years.

You will like this speech by Herman Cain, I promise! I listened to the whole 33 minutes of it and was not bored once. (Hint: Do you know that you might get more out of a video if you play some games of solitaire while listening? That's what happens to me. I don't know why that is so but it works great especially if it is a 'listening' video ...unless you hate playing solitaire, I suppose.)

This video is on Ali Sina's website >>
www.faithfreedom.org

Here's the link for the speech ....it's a MUST listen.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/news/electrifying-speech-by-herman-cain-at-the-clear-lake-tea-party-oct-2011/

I know! I know! I should learn how to embed the video but I just don't have time right now. Anyway, what's so hard about clicking on the link? :)) If someone wants to imbed the video for me, that's ok with me. One day when I get my life in order a bit better, I will learn how to do it myself.

Thanks for listening.

Helen

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