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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/2/2011 1:40:37 PM
Hello Peter, what a hauntingly beautiful video to watch and hear. So poignant and touching. What unforgettable horrors the Jewish people have suffered. Thank you for sharing it on this Yom Hashoah - The Holocaust Remembrance Day.

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Hello Friends,

Today is Yom Hashoah - The Holocaust Remembrance Day. I normally add an informative post on this day but thanks to Evelyn (and I thank her for it) who posted an interesting article 2 days ago. The official opening of Yom Hashoah took place last night in Jerusalem and it was a sobering yet beautiful event as they are every year.

Much has been written about the Holocaust (I added my personal story here in Sam Sunday's Article of Virtue thread) the most important objective was and still is to never forget in order to insure that genocides of this magnitude never happen again to any "people or religion" in future generations. Unfortunately not only is it still happening in different parts of the world there are many who still deny the Holocaust ever took place. People are looking to change the course of history by minimizing up to and including outright denial of the Holocaust. This has to be combated and one of the ways is Yom Hashoah. Teaching future generations of the genocide of 6,000,000 million Jews and 3,000,000 "undesirables" (ubermenshen) according to the Nazi's is something that has to be learned from and understood. Normal God fearing Germans fell captive to the lunatic ravings of Hitler and stood by as this genocide took place ............. as did the world. Understand this simple fact and you'll understand why it's so important to never forget.

This year I found a video that doesn't show the ravages of the Holocaust, that can be found almost at will on youtube and elsewhere. The below video is a rendition of a Yiddish song sung by Jay Black who was the lead singer in the pop group "Jay and the Americans" in the 60s. The song is called "Where is the Village?" (Vi is dus geseleh? [Yiddish]). It is a beautiful rendition of this popular Yiddish song and Jay sings it in the original Yiddish and English. The video's background are paintings by Marc Chagall which are hauntingly beautiful.

Shalom,

Peter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRhVF8LGYw0&feature



English title: "Where is the village?".Year 1966Jay Black, lead singer of the pop group"Jay and the Americans"."Where is the Village?" (Vi iz dus geseleh?)a well known yiddish song."In 1966, Jay took a standard yiddish songand adapted it into a version to demonstratehis feelings about the Holocaust. After along struggle with the record company, he convinced them to let him record it.While recording it he worked with ArtieButler to help him with the arrangementsince Jay comes from an Orthodox Jewishbackground. Jay Black who was born DavidBlatt is the voice, the creator, andeverything you hear on that vocal.".A superb interpretation seldom heard inrecordings of this song. I feel he showeda facet of his personality that's quitemature for someone in his twenties.A young man singing about the horrors ofthe Holocaust, recorded in a vinyl LPintended for the teenagers who buy pop/rock.First half of the song is sung in yiddish,and the second half of the song in English.Only one other major jewish vocalist, SteveLawrence, included a yiddish song in his popular repertory, a song titled "Where CanI Go?", also about the Holocaust period.Steve Lawrence sang the english lyrics first,followed by the yiddish lyrics. Jay Black undertook a higher risk, singingthe yiddish lyrics first. "Where is theVillage?" is a gem of a yiddish song, andJay Black's curriculum should indicatepopular vocalist, and yiddish singer."Where is the Village?" sung in Yiddishand EnglishPaintings by MARC CHAGALL.Born in Vitebsk,Belarus.( White Russia). Read the rest here.
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/2/2011 2:34:56 PM
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your post and the linked article being in French perplexed me cos I always like to read the source. Fortunately my browser has a built in translator and a semi decent translation was the result. In any case the claims in the article are easily understood.
Whether Bin Laden was killed or not we'll never know but I'll share with you my first thoughts when I read about Bin Laden's being killed by American forces and then heard B Hussein's announcement.
To d*amn convenient. With the fraudulent long form COLB and all the added information about his father's immigration file an announcement like this sorta comes at a very convenient time for B Hussein. This very possibly might be idle speculation but those were my first thoughts. In addition the quick announcements that his body will be dealt with according to Islamic tradition also is questionable. The body is already gone thrown into the sea. No chance to check the sources or DNA tests etc. To me this is suspicious behavior and an easy way to get rid of the evidence.
What also bothered me were the celebrations in front of the White House. It reminded me of the celebrations of Muslims world wide after 911 that so angered Americans and justifiably so and here they are doing the same thing. Just recently after the Fogel family was massacred by jihadi terrorists in Itamar the Muslims in Gaza were out in the streets celebrating. Disgusting behavior to say the least and the celebrations in front of the White House weren't far different. I would have expected the people in front of the White HOuse to behave in a different manner.
The bottom line is that we don't know whether Bin Laden is really dead but I certainly hope so. As far as B Hussein's birth certificate is concerned we'll have to wait for the next round of released documents cause this time he screwed up big time.
Shalom,
Peter

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Hi Peter,

For what it’s worth; This French paper rejects the presently official photo of Osama as a new photoshop fraud, but then please do not ask me to translate it all. My point is that the photoshop game is at it again, and I very much doubt this news will calm down anything for anyone anywhere. So I conclude that today we have an Obama with no Birth certificate and an Osama with no death certificate. Business as usual….. ;-)

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualite/media/20110502.OBS2211/ben-laden-mort-l-image-diffusee-est-un-photomontage.html

Regards
Robert.

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/2/2011 3:22:53 PM
[if !mso]> Hi Peter,
The more one reads about the OBL story the more questions arise, all very similar to the otherwise BHO stories. Fore instance the guy was ‘killed’ in Abbottabad which is some 30 miles north of Islamabad. Now that place is an easy minimum of 1,000 miles from any sea. Just a little too far for any helicopter, unless the body was brought to an American base in Afghanistan at best 150 miles away, that could be achievable.

But there are lots of transferring to be done and foresight of helicopter, plane, boat etc. and it’s not as if the seal forces were operating at home. Add to this the photoshop scam, and it all simply does not tally as easily as it should for us folks. ;-)


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/2/2011 7:54:23 PM
Hi Robert,
I realize you're using your experience as a pilot in your below post. Truth be told I never thought about that aspect of the Seal's attack and it makes sense. What remains a mystery is why they dumped Bin Laden's body so quickly in the sea (after taking DNA samples?). From what I read according to Islam and Sharia the body has to be washed by Muslim men and buried in the ground within 24 hours. The sea is a far cry from the ground but is a good way to get rid of the "evidence". As good as cremation.
Everything might be kosher with the Bin Laden episode and if it is good riddance to him. Will that solve the problem of radical Islamic jihadi terror? Definitely not but a symbol's been taken out of the "game" even though they will consider him to be a shaid/martyr and that alone can create a whole new ball game.
The only thing that really bothers me is that this whole episode is soooooo convenient for the great pretender and smells rotten like everything else he touches and that of course includes his fraudulent long form COLB.
So yes, us folks still have a problem and the sums don't add up.
Shalom,
Peter
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[if !mso]> Hi Peter,
The more one reads about the OBL story the more questions arise, all very similar to the otherwise BHO stories. Fore instance the guy was ‘killed’ in Abbottabad which is some 30 miles north of Islamabad. Now that place is an easy minimum of 1,000 miles from any sea. Just a little too far for any helicopter, unless the body was brought to an American base in Afghanistan at best 150 miles away, that could be achievable.

But there are lots of transferring to be done and foresight of helicopter, plane, boat etc. and it’s not as if the seal forces were operating at home. Add to this the photoshop scam, and it all simply does not tally as easily as it should for us folks. ;-)


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B Hussein Overridden By Military And Intel Officials In OBL Takeout?
5/4/2011 4:15:46 PM
Hello Friends,

For the past few days I've been having conflicting thoughts about the Bin Laden take out. On the one hand I felt it was contrary to everything we know about B Hussein and that he really didn't want to have Bin Laden killed. Think about his actions or lack of actions in regard to Iran who's been b*itch slapping him ever since he fraudulently took over the office of President of the United States. His lack of action against Assad who's killing protesters throughout Syria (Iran's partner in the axis of evil). His ridiculously pro Palestinian "peace initiatives". His lack of action against Hezbollah and Hamas. And now Hamas and the PLO's El Aqsa brigade joining in the b*itch slapping with their anti American remarks about the Bin Laden killing. His ridiculous decisions against Mubarak that will bring about another Iran. Those who will say but look at Libya and I'll answer another bad decision and one that Hillary Clinton forced him into. There are many more examples but these are all well known and recent enough for many to remember and finally understand that B Hussein loves radical Islam and really didn't want to take Bin Laden out. These were my gut feelings.

On the other hand I felt this was a convenient "take out" in order to take attention away from his fraudulent long form COLB + all the info in BHO Senior's immigration files.

In the end my gut feeling told me that the first option was most probably the real scenario and the below article I believe proves that. This man's Muslim agenda is almost as important to him as ruining America and in actual fact work hand in hand. They fit well together like a well fitting glove.

One of the things that bothered me was the statements we heard that a window of opportunity all of a sudden opened up. With military actions of this sort the intelligence is gathered and plans are made with different options. So my understanding was that Bin Laden could have been taken out earlier then the actual attack and that in a way fit well with the feeling I had about the convenience of the attack as a cover up for the fraudulent long form COLB. But I still held with my gut feeling and the below article supports that.

You know when I first saw the photo of him in the situation room watching the attack live the first thing I noticed was he's not at the head of the table and the second was the whipped dog look on his face. My original thought was his despair at Bin Ladens being taken out and then after reading the article it's so much worse.

I really pity those who still support this fraud cos when they eventually realize their demi God is an enemy of the country they claim to love they'll go into a real funk and all the meds in their medicine chest won't solve their problems. You'll really have to appreciate Rush Limbaugh's satiric remarks (after reading the below article) that they apparently didn't understand and posted as pro B Hussein and then ........... DELETED after being told what he really meant.

In any case after reading the below article over at
Atlas Shrugs I find that B Hussein is really much worse then I previously thought and I thought very little of him from day one. He's being led by the nose by Valerie Jarret and others of her ilk. This fraud has gotta go and the sooner the better.

Shalom,

Peter


Skulking Towards bin Laden: Obama Overridden by Military and Intel Officials in Takeout of OBL?

As Obama continues to politicize and mine the takedown of Osama Bin Laden and the outrageous "Islamic burial" that followed, new details emerge of his reluctance and refusal to sign off on the mission. It is the height of hypocrisy and crass opportunism to draw out the release of the death photos so as to prolong the news cycle on the story, and to neglect the tornado-ravaged parts of the country -- instead, Obama campaigns at Ground Zero on Thursday for an "O-victory lap," while it appears that in fact Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the OBL operation.

The story that follows is deeply disturbing, but hardly surprising. When news broke that Obama rejected bombing the complex last month, one had to wonder why. It was reported that Obama feared collateral damage, despite being assured that the walls of the complex were high enough so that no civilians would be killed. Instead, he risked losing Americans in a mano-a-mano raid.

A reluctant American president who was ultimately overridden by senior military and intelligence officials to finally take out terrorist Osama Bin Laden… Ulstermann (hat tip CO)

Note: This communication came from our long time D.C. Insider and details previous and ongoing conflicts surrounding the decision to assassinate terrorist Osama Bin Laden. This has been reproduced here as originally communicated to us.

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Please get this out ASAP. Want specific people to know we know.

RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter – both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.

Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat – this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.

Speaking with additional contacts RE info.

Stay safe.

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HC = Hillary Clinton

BD = Bill Daley

LP = Leon Panetta

CoC = Chain of Command/Commander in Chief

UPDATE: JUST RELEASED PHOTO OF THE WHITE HOUSE “WAR ROOM” DURING THE OSAMA BIN LADEN ASSASSINATION OPERATION SHOWING A SEEMINGLY ANGRY BARACK OBAMA STILL WEARING HIS GOLF ATTIRE AND BILL DALEY, HILLARY CLINTON, AND ROBERT GATES ON OPPOSITE SIDE OF ROOM. THIS PHOTO APPEARS TO FURTHER SUPPORT THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT DAY’S EVENTS BY INSIDER…


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UPDATE: More details emerge here: "What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."
Note: This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.
ou stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?

A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office.

I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett.

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