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Jenny SJ

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Re: BCN NEWS SAYS CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
11/10/2008 5:08:18 PM
One think that strikes me, after reading this last post by Joe B, is that the United States of America must be  the only country in the Western World where the possible assassination of a democratically elected leader is even an issue for  consideration.  This  state of affairs is one more commonly seen in third world countries where democracy is not held in the same esteem.

I find it absolutely incredible that in America there are elements of your society where this possibility can even been entertained.  It must be a very humiliating thought for many patriotic americans to suspect that there are, amongst you, citizens who hold this highest office in your country with so little respect.

GWB must be the most unpopular president you have ever had - both at home and outside the country - but his safety has only been a normal issue, as the president of the most powerful country in the western world.  

And where does the enhanced risk to President Elect Obama come from?
   The gun toting extreme right?  It cant be from pro life supporters - as killing is not pro life.  It cant be from people who believe in freedom of speech - as the US majority have spoken.  It cant come from anyone who supports the principles of the Constutition with respect to the dignity of man or rights of all citizens.

Thomas has made a comment about the "angst" about Barak Obama's nationality that, regrettably rings true to any observer of this debate

What is it about him that makes him un-American, un-patriotic, and unacceptable? Why don't people man up and say what it really is - it isn't for any real reason than the fact that white people still don't trust black people, or even half-black people.

The American election campaigns are well known internationally for their  mud slinging at candidates - but this last election has surpassed all records

Michael Caron, who is well known by all of us a practising Christian and a very patriotic American has written two very well thought out posts that are worth a reread and this comment in particular is a sad reflection on some of the contents of this forum

What I have seen throughout this forum is ruthless attacks on those that wish to keep the peace rather than continue on the road that we have been on for so long

The Elections are over.  The candidate chosen by the majority of the US citizens has won -   As is expected in the democratic elections according to the constitution you all claim to be so proud of.  No elected President has ever pleased everyone.  Nothing is new.  So maybe it is time to forget "what might have been" and move on.



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Re: BCN NEWS SAYS CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
11/10/2008 5:55:44 PM

Hi Jenny:

Thanks for you observation from a Spanish view of the American way of doing things. Here is one link you need to review, among many. 

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/08/the_obama_assassination_attemp.php

About the President - elect, he's being mentioned in the press as the first " black man ". It would be best to state that he is the first " African " however, they can't do that because he is not from Africa. In the years to come, I feel that we should state that once chosen,  a person is not noted as being black, white, yellow, brown, red, etc., rather, of Asian decent, Spanish, etc.

As I stated previously and to quote Michale Jackson, " I don't want to go through life being a color. "  

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Re: BCN NEWS SAYS CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
11/10/2008 8:24:40 PM
I dont know what point you are trying to make Joe.  Though my viewpoints are mine -  European influenced maybe, but more hybred than Spanish! lol

I read the link to the "RightWingNews" whatever that is.  And cant see what you are trying to say.  I can imagine that for the vast majority of black Americans, ,  it must be an additional source of pride to see  Barak Obama about to become your 44th President.  What a pity Martin Luther King was not alive to see the day.  But as the majority of the electorate were white,  he must have had something to offer for more than one ethnic minority.

His election has been met with great enthusiasm in most countries in the world - left, right and moderate.  That must say something to you too.  It is believed that he is the right choice for America,  to start to heal the terrible relationships it has with the rest of the world and to stop a war that the american people cannot afford, both financially and politically.

So that leaves us with a  minority of voters who didnt like his policies and a smaller one that, as Thomas has so rightly pointed out, would never have even doubted his nationality or his religious beliefs, had he had blond hair, blue eyes and a german, dutch, scandinavian or irish name.

I have read some of the vicious posts over the past few month by people who seemed unable to persuade voters of the merits of their candidate and resorted to the vulgar political "dirty tricks" tactics to knock the opposing candidate, instead.

I imagine that this kind of conduct is of great embarassment to the vast majority of americans and the fact that some of them may incite someone to try to assassinate their own President must surely be something about which they are very concerned and deeply ashamed.
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Re: BCN NEWS SAYS CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
11/10/2008 9:09:24 PM

Hi Jenny:

Once again, I enjoy your candid reply and how you view the system that has brought us to this place in time. When I read the last part of your post, the words " something about which they are very concerned and deeply ashamed, . " it reminded me of many things that I am ashamed of .

I become ashamed, if you will, when I read that thousands are killed everyday in parts of Africa, that Russia is on the move and invading another country, or that China is still mis-treating its people; that those in Honduras and Venezuela are still being killed because they disagree with Chavez.

It is most disturbing to realize that as a people we still have not been able to progress into living as one planet, one people.

There is a wonderful film being released this December, 2008.

It's titled:

THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL

There is one segment of the film that is both a warning and a prophetic look at where we are now.

I hope many of our young people go see this remake of the 1951 classic sci-fi film .

All the best,

Joe Buccheri

A gift > http://explore-2008.com/index.asp?aff=007&camp=ask_e_us&se=ask

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Re: BCN NEWS SAYS CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
11/11/2008 5:24:21 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the shame and sadness we should all  feel as as human beings to see so much destruction in the world.  We have advanced far and at times it appears that we have achieved little.

 I am sure you will agree that those who manipuate and incite others to do their violence for them are equally guillty if not moreso.

It must be heartbreaking for the good Christians of America to watch so much venom and possible incitement to kill coming from people who profess to share their faith   Especially when it concerns coming to terms with the results of a democratic and constitutional election to choose your President.

Under the leadership of Barak Obama, America  is entering a new era of
positive development that will benefit all americans and is welcomed by the majority and by the rest of the world, and that is a great beginning for any Presidency and great news for America.  Maybe this will be one step forward for us to the peaceful living talked about in your link and will lead us away from the path to destruction.



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