Hello all:

About doing the research and the " rest of the story ". One needs to gather the data, wait, breathe, and then move forward. Rome was not built in a day, news is not gathered without sources to qualify it as viable and credible and personal commentary WILL NOT, over shadow the truth.

I assure everyone that based on discussions had off mic while a guest on a radio talk show this week, many global talk show hosts are chomping at the bit, so to speak, in anticipation of the RNC using this matter as a way of somehow dislodging Mr. Obama from his move to take over the presidency; they will use the subject as a main focus for weeks to come. 

Each of us understands that all one need do is place doubt in the minds of consumers about any product and or service and they will hold tight on spending their money...and in this case... their vote.

One thing is for sure. America is still by far, the greatest country in the world because of its wonderful people, our young people of voting age are more intelligent than we give them credit for, God is on his throne and in control and I am over joyed that we all have the right to share as we have been doing here...even if it is costing most of us $14 dollars a month :)

All the best,

Joe Buccheri

Hello Jo,

Yes, I followed all your links and I can supply with links that refute your links. I asked your reasons for claiming BHO is a man of substance and not for links that can easily be refuted with other links. The fact remains that there is a law suit against BHO about the legitimacy of his citizenship.

I am still very interested to understand what the great substance of this candidate are. Haven't seen any yet.

Joe B, After writing the term in question I had second thoughts about it but decided that all would understand it refers to his campaign only. Point taken though.

Shalom,

Peter

Hello Peter,

I have to say that I have more faith in Mr Obama.  I also have a lot of faith in Joe Biden. 

Mr Obama is the only candidate that has shown me that he is for the American people.  He is not a "war monger".  He is not "Muslim", He is not "Islamic", He is a Christian.

Mr McCain is just too much like Mr Bush and has flawed beliefs.  We are already facing increased tensions with Russia because of Mr Bush and I believe that Mr McCain will follow in his foot steps.  We do not need a war with Russia on top of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hello Jo,

Thanks for your reply but you still haven't shown me any substance. What I read from your replies are more feelings then any real reasons to vote for this man.

During his very short time in office as Senator his voting record has been abysmal and not very consistent when he bothered to vote.

As I said yesterday for every link you supply there are links that refute his claims. As to not being Muslim see his school records in Indonesia where it states Muslim as religion. It hasn't been refuted but his campaign managers tried to keep this document from the general public. Today he might be a Christian but what a Church he belonged/s to for many years. What a Minister he had/s that isn't a very America loving man to say the least.

His citizenship is still in question and he hasn't stated anything that shows that he is a man of substance as you claim.

It is interesting though that the many friends that are Obama supporters when questioned can't give any reason for their support of this man. Unfortunately you haven't either.

Rather then show me/us the substance (Obama has) you tell me why not McCain. Many times you refer to his temper. Who doesn't lose his temper from time to time. We all do but I'd rather have a man that loses his temper then one that has so many questionable attributes and a past that is so murky it resembles a swamp rather then clear and sweet water.

A friend wrote a post in my thread that you might want to read. I found t very interesting and possibly shows the true face of this man. Check it out I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about it.

http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1101356/2/ShowThread.aspx

Shalom,

Peter

Politics Trump Morals for Obama, Biden

BY CARL A. ANDERSON

The selection of Sen. Joseph Biden as Barack Obama's running mate underscores, once again, the challenges faced by these candidates among evangelical Christians and Catholics. In the case of Obama, the concern is that his faith is not the sort of Christianity that most evangelicals or Catholics would profess. Far from solving this problem, the selection of Biden brings to the ticket a man at odds with the highest levels of his own Catholic faith.

The result is that these candidates seem unlikely to be able to reassure the evangelical and Catholic voters -- whom they need to win the election -- that the Obama-Biden ticket shares their core values.

Obama's troubles with Catholics and evangelicals can be traced to his many years of attendance at the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, a church that professes a belief in "liberation theology." According to "talking points" listed on Trinity Church's Web site, "The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone's book, Black Power and Black Theology."

Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren summarized the distrust evangelicals have for liberation theology when he said on Fox News: "Black liberation theology is an even more extreme version of liberation theology, which started in Latin America and has been totally discredited. It was basically Marxism in Christianity."

Catholics too are wary of liberation theology, and none has been more outspoken on the issue than Pope Benedict XVI, who wrote several years before his election as pope that for liberation theology, "Nothing lies outside . . . political commitment. Everything has a political color. A theology that is not . . . essentially political, is regarded as 'idealistic' and thus as lacking in reality."

Presented with a chance at Saddleback to make inroads among evangelicals and Catholics, Obama missed the opportunity. Nowhere was this more clear than in his "above my pay grade" comment and his assertion that "if you believe that life begins at conception ... then I can't argue with you on that because that is a core issue of faith for you." Catholics and evangelicals everywhere couldn't help but take that to mean that it wasn't an issue of faith for him.

Choosing Biden, a Catholic politician who has supported Roe vs. Wade for many years, has compounded the problem.

Pope Benedict, during his April visit to Washington, D.C., spoke of the need to practice faith in public life: "Christians are easily tempted to conform themselves to the spirit of this age. . . . We have seen this emerge in an acute way in the scandal given by Catholics who promote an alleged right to abortion."

And just this month, Archbishop Raymond Burke -- the equivalent of chief justice of the Vatican's Supreme Court -- said communion should be refused to "a public official who knowingly and willingly supports actions which . . . publicly promote procured abortion, which is the taking of innocent, defenseless human life."

Biden, who claims a personal opposition to abortion that he is unwilling to follow in his public life, falls into this category. He now faces the possibility not only of alienating Catholics, but also of being refused communion on the campaign trail.

The problem -- for Catholics and evangelicals alike -- is that a ticket whose politics appear to trump moral reasoning is not a compelling ticket. Catholics and evangelicals are looking for candidates who share their core values, not just their pews or holy water.

Note : Carl A. Anderson is Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus, the Catholic men's fraternal benefits society.

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