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Re: JOE BUCCHERI WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
8/27/2008 7:05:10 PM

Hello Peter, and others....

Did you not read any of the links that I posted????  Mr McCain is a "hot head" and not a reliable candidate.  He would be another 'Bush'.  Actually worse than Bush.  Please read the links and truly consider what our country is facing.

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Re: JOE BUCCHERI WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
8/27/2008 7:43:45 PM

HELLO Jo...and everyone that has posted here:

First, this link provided:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert, when one scrolls to the bottom of the page you will see that this information is not provided by any credible news agency and is paid for by the election machine.The next link provided is from a blog by Andrew Malcolm who contributes articles to the New York Post, a magazine who is under investigation for allowing its advertisers to dictate what they print as being news worthy. So in that case, one would tend to believe that such " news " is not news at all, rather, it is commentary.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/Washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

I could go on, and on with these " truths, " however, it is my feeling that we should all wait until the Democratic Carnival pulls up its stakes, takes down its tent and moves on and the Republican Circus begins. And Peter, out of all seriousness, I saw where you placed the words " death sentence " in one of your posts here on line about this same kind of issue and while I understand the context of your comment, those who monitor such discussions like this one ( and be assured they are reading them all ) your comment could spark a fire storm that may equate to men in black suits knocking on your door in the middle of the night asking you to take a drive for a Q & A session. Please, you; all of us, need to be cautious, no matter what the intention.

All the best,

PAX,

Joe Buccheri

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Re: JOE BUCCHERI WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
8/27/2008 7:58:16 PM

The truth about Barack's birth certificate


Lie:

Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen

Truth:

Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

 

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

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Netlore Archive: Email rumor claims that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president because according to the laws in effect at the time of his birth he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States.

Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: June 2008
Status: False

CAN OBAMA BE PRESIDENT?

It seems that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president after all for the following reason:

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between "December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986?

Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: ".If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai'i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn't matter *after*.

In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18 in Hawai'i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. ***

Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia.

Now you can see why Obama's aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. election law. I think the Gov. of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days.



Comments: False. Barack Obama is, in fact, a natural-born citizen of the United States, for the simple reason that he was born on American soil (in Hawaii, two years after it acquired statehood). The age and citizenship status of Obama's parents have no bearing whatsoever on Obama's citizenship.

Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.

Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).

It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth.

Update: Is Barack Obama's birth certificate valid?
Self-styled "experts" have questioned the validity of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate as posted online, but after examining the actual document the Annenberg Public Policy Center concluded it is authentic. The state of Hawaii has also affirmed its validity. Read more...

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Re: JOE BUCCHERI WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
8/27/2008 8:21:32 PM
Honolulu, HI. is a nice place to be born at, wow, you learn something new everyday and thats a good thing! :) God_bless you!!
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Re: JOE BUCCHERI WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
8/27/2008 8:46:09 PM

All you have to do is some research. This guy who did the law suit??  Well guess what? The court did NOT approve the restraining order. I wonder why Mr. Berg hasn't updated his website??

 

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08/27/2008

Obama document motion denied

 

A motion to file a restraining order preventing Sen. Obama's Presidential run was denied today.
The suit has not been dismissed and lawyer Phil Berg is continuing legal actions.
Check back here for the full story tomorrow and in the print edition of The Times Herald.

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20094655&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6

 

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