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Re: Second Coming of Christ and the Millenium...Part II
1/28/2008 9:22:42 PM

James,

Once again, I regret even getting involved with these forums (and I will not anymore), not in the respect of teaching accurate knowledge, which is my Christian obligation as a witness of the true God, Jehovah, but in the respect of the many hours of research it takes to do so, and that I know that the god of this system of things, Satan the Devil, has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.

I’ll post on the “second coming” and the millenium momentarily, but first I need to reply to a couple of other posts, especially to Thomas, and justice dictates that you allow my reply to Thomas since you allowed him to attack me in this forum thread, not to mention the hours I've put into this. 

 

Thomas:

Once again, your true heart condition is revealed by you attacking me, and it's not pretty!  I shall pray for you, as you really need it!  Not only are you severely lacking in the accurate knowledge of truth, but also in accurate spelling!  LOL! And I am well aware that we all have to believe in Jehovah God's son, Jesus Christ, as our redeemer, but, unlike you, who claims "Walking is what I do best and not just doing the talking," I know what it truly means to walk with God.  To walk with God, one has to do the works and obey the command to teach and preach.  Everybody, not just the paid priests and pastors of christendom, which getting paid to preach is in itself a violation of Biblical principles.   And I know that, contrary to what many if not all of the religions of christendom teach, belief in Jesus Christ is not sufficient to gain everlasting life.  Even Satan believes in Jesus Christ!  James 2:26 states, "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." 

So, Thomas, does your "walking" include obeying Jesus' command to go and witness the good news of the Kingdom of God?  I doubt it very seriously, as, by and large, Jehovah's Witnesses are the only religious group in the world whose members, young and old, demonstrate their love for God and mankind as the Bible instructs us by faithfully imitating Jesus in this regard.  We do this preaching work to the tune of over 1 million hours a day.  This is but one facet of "walking with God," Thomas.  I do it.  How about you?

Thomas, one very important thing you need to understand about these scriptures in your links is that they are from the King James version of the Bible, which has been changed from even its own earlier versions, which used to use Jehovah God's holy name.  Ask yourself, why has Jehovah's holy name now been replaced with the titles of Lord or God?  Can you think of any person or entity that would want to dishonor Jehovah God and obscure His holy name from people?  I can, and it's Satan the Devil.  His evil influence on man has done this.  Proof of the truth of what I'm saying is even found in your King James version at Ps. 83:18, which contains the holy name and also refers to Jehovah as the "Most High," over all the earth, just one place in over 50 times the Bible refers to Him as such!  As I have stated before, Jehovah's holy name was once in the Bible over 7,000 times!  And in many places the Bible tells us it is of paramount importance to use, praise and proclaim this holy name!  Do you do this, Thomas?  No!  Yet another admonition from the Bible that you refuse to follow!  Is that "walking" with God?  I think not!

And no, Thomas, neither does the Bible teach that Jesus is part of a triune God.  That trinity teaching, along with many other teachings of christendom, has its roots from pagan Babylon, and this also dishonors the Most High, the Creator of the Universe, whom also created Jesus!  Get that?  Jesus was created!  He didn't exist before Jehovah created him!  Even Jesus himself taught that the Father was greater than himself, and that he, Jesus, could do nothing of his own will, and also that as to when the end will come, he did not even have this knowledge, nor the angels, but only his Father, Jehovah, does!  Did Jesus resurrect himself from the dead?  No!  "The dead are conscious of nothing at all."  (Ecc. 9: 5, 6 & 10).  How can anyone then believe Jesus is God?  Only if their hearts are too hardened to humbly accept the fact that they have been taught falsely!  Once again, who wants to mislead man with false reasonings and teachings?  Satan the Devil!

Once again, as Jesus himself taught us to pray even for our enemies, I shall pray that you develop a heart rightly disposed to truth, Thomas, before it is too late for you!  Jehovah will soon execute judgment, using Jesus Christ as the now enthroned King of His Kingdom, over all those not doing His, Jehovah's, will.  Not I, but you, Thomas, are the "mis-representative" of God as you put it, who even refuses to use His holy name.  I pity you and all those like you if you do not change!

 

To Nick

In regard to your posted picture of what I presume is supposed to be Jesus Christ, Jesus is not the beginning and the end. He was created by the one who is that, Jehovah God, as God’s first creation!  Col. 1:15, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.”  Which also proves he is not God, for he was God’s first creation. 

One might ask:  Revelation 22:13 (NW) speaks of the "Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". At Revelation 1:17 (NW) Christ Jesus is spoken of as "the First and the Last".  So is not Revelation 22:13 also referring to Christ?

Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and omega is the last; one is the beginning and the other the end of the Greek alphabet. So the expressions "the Alpha and the Omega" and "the first and the last" and "the beginning and the end" are parallel expressions and mean the same thing. They are applied to Jehovah God. Isaiah 44:6 (AS) reads: "Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God." Revelation 1:8 (NW) catches up this thought in Isaiah and adds to it the point that he is coming: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says Jehovah God, ‘the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.’"

So, just because the verse preceding Revelation 22:13 speaks of that "Alpha and Omega" as coming does not necessarily mean it refers to Christ Jesus, whose second coming is frequently mentioned. Revelation 1:8 shows Jehovah as coming, and so Revelation 22:12 may do likewise. He comes representatively, through Christ Jesus. Revelation 4:8 speaks of Jehovah as coming, and Revelation 21 shows his presence with humankind. "Look! the tent of God is with humankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. . . . I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free. Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son." (Vss. 3, 6, 7) This reference is certainly to Jehovah God, for he is God to the anointed body members of Christ and they are his spiritual sons. They are Christ’s brothers, not sons, so the text is speaking of Jehovah, and it calls him "the Alpha and the Omega". So when the Alpha and Omega is mentioned again in the very next chapter, why must the term suddenly shift to Christ Jesus instead of Jehovah God?  It does not.

 

James,

In regard to your reply to my first post, you said:

"As far as a misconception about the 144,000 goes, it is my understanding that this is a figurative number and not a literal one. If this was a literal number, all the witnessing that you Jehovah's Witness's do by going and knocking on peoples doors trying to spread the word would be in vain."

First off, I don't understand how you can say that if the 144,000 is a literal number, all the witnessing we do in obeying Jesus' command would be in vain, for we witness and teach what the Bible REALLY teaches, which is that Jesus referred to two distinct groups of people whom he must call.  The 144,000, which is the limited number of Christians called to make up spiritual Israel, Jesus referred to them as the "little flock." They are admitted into the "fold" of the new covenant, in contrast with the numberless "other sheep," whom Jesus said he must also gather. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16)  Those of the other sheep gathered in the time of the end will make up the "great crowd" destined to survive "the great tribulation," with the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth.  Interestingly, the vision John received at the end of the first century C.E. distinguishes between this great crowd and the 144,000 members of spiritual Israel. (Revelation 7:4, 9, 14).  

So, ask yourself, James, if the 144,000 were not a literal number, does it make sense that in Rev. 7:4 it refers to a specific number, 144,000, and then two verses later in Rev. 7:9 it refers to a great crowd that no man was able to number?  No, it does not.  Therefore, this is a literal number.  And in reference to these 144,000, Rev. 5:10 says, "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."  Now ask yourself, who are they to rule over on the earth if, as christendom teaches, people go to heaven instantly when they die?  Jesus didn't teach that, for he taught that there would be a resurrection of the dead in the last day (John 5: 28 & 29; John 6:40, 44 & 54), and he also taught that the meek or mild-mannered ones would inherit the earth (Matt. 5:5), as does Ps. 37:11 and Ps. 37:29.

So, no, James, our door-to-door ministry in imitation of Jesus Christ and in obedience to his command to do so is certainly not in vain.  Through this wonderful ministry, over 36,500 people are coming to an accurate knowledge of truth and joining in the world's fastest-growing religion, Jehovah God's earthly organization, when all of christendom's numbers are declining steadily.

James, you next said:

"Terry, you are a Jehovah's Witness, and you are a part of Christendom"

Well, I nor any Jehovah's Witness is a part of christendom!  Christendom, whose members total over 2 billion, is made up of all those religions "claiming" to be Christian, and yet their teachings have been infiltrated by Greek philosophy and pagan-rooted rituals, such as the Trinity doctrine, belief in an immortal soul and instant reward at death, just to name a couple of examples, all of which dishonor Jehovah and in effect call Jesus a liar.  Plus, christendom has historically persecuted Jesus' true footstep followers, and still does to this day in many parts of the world, to the point of christendom's clergy and members murdering, beating, plundering and imprisoning Jehovah's Witnesses simply on the basis of their beliefs.  Why do they do this?  Because we expose their apostasy and false teachings!  But this will soon end and they will have to answer for their dastardly deeds!  

And you're wrong in stating I said you do not have the right heart condition.  I never said that.  In fact, I, in my limited capacity as an imperfect human, think you have a good heart as evidenced by the fact that you spend your valuable time studying God's word and trying to impart it to others.  And James, I was a part of christendom for over 50 years, as a Baptist, which religion teaches almost all the same things you Mormons do (I think you're Mormon).  And the only one who can truly read hearts is Jehovah God!  Once He approves of a person's heart condition, He draws that person to Him.  Jesus also said: "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him." (John 6:44)

James, as far as what you said about formerly dating a Jehovah's Witness woman, all I can say about that is that either you had to be a JW at that time or else she was at that time disfellowshipped or being disobedient, for JW's are admonished, just as the Bible teaches, not to marry out of the truth, and we don't "date" unless we are considering marriage, and then only with other couples, never alone, until engaged.  Dating as a couple alone is a worldy tradition, the ruler of which is Satan, and is how and why the sin of fornication occurs, which is why JWs are admonished against it.  In fact, a JW can be disfellowshipped for doing this.  I don't know the circumstances in your case, so I can't really say any more on that.  But you will have to agree with me on the world's view of dating, including that of christendom, which is that it's okay, and we both know this leads to the sin of fornication, unwanted pregnancies, murder by abortion, etc., etc., all of which is not God's will, but Satan's will. 

 

Now, finally I know you're thinking, to the issue of the second coming.

"When the Son of man arrives in his glory, . . . he will separate people one from another."  MATTHEW 25:31, 32. 

Here one has to know the true meaning of the Greek word "parousia" which has wrongly been translated into English as "coming."  Christ has already "come" in the sense of assuming God's throne as His King, which started in 1914, and this work of separating the sheep from the goats, those who will listen to truth versus those who will not, once again based on their heart condition, is going on now and being aided by Jehovah's Witnesses in their world-wide ministry.  What other religion are you aware of that is witnessing in 236 lands, in over 400 different languages, bringing the news of God's Kingdom and warning of the impending danger of destruction coming at Armageddon?  Again, over 1 million hours per day, over 1 billion hours per year.  NONE even come close to a fraction of this time spent serving God.

THREE days before Jesus’ death, four of his disciples approached him and earnestly asked: "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming [Greek, pa·rou·si´a], and of the end of the world?" For centuries Christendom’s clergy and writers have interpreted these words spoken to Jesus at Matthew 24:3 (King James Version) to mean that he would again be visible in the flesh to be viewed by all mankind. Hence, they have taught that Christ’s return would be with great display and visible pomp. They refer to it as Christ’s second coming. But are their assumptions correct?

By 1889, Jehovah’s anointed ones, as 19th-century light bearers, had already received correction on the matter of Christ’s return. In Volume 2 of Studies in the Scriptures, pages 158 to 161, Charles T. Russell, the first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, wrote: "Parousia . . . signifies presence, and should never be translated coming, as in the common English Bible . . . The ‘Emphatic Diaglott,’ a very valuable translation of the New Testament, renders parousia properly, presence . . . , not that of coming, as being on the way, but presence, as after arrival [Jesus] says, ‘As the days of Noah, so shall also the parousia [presence] of the Son of man be.’ Notice, that the comparison is not between the coming of Noah and the coming of our Lord . . . The contrast, then, is between the time of the presence of Noah among the people ‘before the flood,’ and the time of the presence of Christ in the world, at his second advent, ‘before the fire’, the extreme trouble of the Day of the Lord [Jehovah] with which this age ends." Matthew 24:37.

So, Jehovah’s people of the 19th century correctly understood that the pa·rou·si´a of Christ would be an invisible one. They had also come to an understanding that the end of the Gentile Times would occur in the autumn of 1914.  As spiritual enlightenment progressed, they later understood that Jesus Christ was enthroned in heaven as King of the Kingdom in that same year, 1914. Proverbs 4:18; Daniel 7:13, 14; Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:15.

I could further expound on this, but I really don't think it would do any good, especially for some former posters, and I have already spend way too much time doing this.  Before I finish up, though, I would like to make a comment to Laila.

To Laila,

No, neither heaven nor the Kingdom of God is something in our hearts, as the Catholics teach (maybe others too).  The Kingdom of God is the expression and exercise of God’s universal sovereignty toward his creatures, or the means or instrumentality used by him for this purpose. (Ps 103:19) The phrase is used particularly for the expression of God’s sovereignty through a royal government headed by his Son, Christ Jesus.

God's Kingdom is a real government, one that will last forever.  God's Kingdom will put an end to all human governments.  Speaking of God's Kingdom and when it will happen, Daniel 2:44 states, "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite."  As Daniel's prophesy shows, God's Kingdom will soon rule over the whole earth.  A concrete reality, it will remain the only government in existence.  Such prophesies as this one show that God's Kingdom is not something within our heart, as many have been taught.  The Bible tells us, "The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate." (Jer. 17:9)  Cannot much of the misery that we see in the world today be traced back to the sinful hearts of humans?  So, how could God's perfect Kingdom come from such a source?  Really, the human heart could no more produce God's Kingdom than a thistle could produce figs.  (Matt. 7:16)

Second, consider the audience Jesus was addressing when he spoke the words found at Luke 17:20 & 21.   "But on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness, neither will people be saying, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst."  The Pharisees were Jesus' enemies.  Jesus stated that those hypocrites were not going to enter God's Kingdom (Matt. 23:13).   Now, if the Pharisees were not to enter God's Kingdom, could the Kingdom be in their hearts?  Impossible!

God's Kingdom will end wars (which christendom's members disobediently participate in), sickness, famine, even death itself.  "He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces.  The wagons he burns in the fire." (Ps. 46:9).  Imagine, all the weapons of war destroyed forever! "No resident will say: 'I am sick.'" (Isa. 33:24)  "There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains there will be an overflow." (Ps. 72:16)  Death, our last enemy, will be vanquished forever!  "He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces. And the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken [it]." (Isa. 25:8)

James,

I'm through and so happy for it.  If anybody has any questions or wishes further information, they'll have to private message me and, when I get the time, I'll try to respond.   May all who have read this lengthly posting be blessed by the true God, Jehovah, and invite one of His true servants into their homes for a free Bible study, of which over 6 million are conducted each week, and with an open mind and heart come to an accurate knowledge of truth!

Terry Gill

 


 

 

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Re: Second Coming of Christ and the Millenium...Part II
1/29/2008 9:14:17 AM

Terry, may I suggest you read the whole chapter of Revelation 7. I understand also that you, as a Christian do not believe in the Godhead or Trinity as you will. In essence what you are saying is that Jesus Christ who is our Salvation, is a lier and a thief. Give me a break. He's our ONLY hope.

You have contradicted yourself in your own post. In the first paragraph you say it is your Christian duty, ("my Christian obligation") then towards the end you say you don't believe in Christ, or the Holy Spirit.

You will never be thru. It is your Christian duty to spread the word of God, thru Jesus Christ.  If you are thru, how can you do that????

I disagree with you on what the word dating means. To some it means one thing to another it means something else. Again I say unto you, let Jehovah God be the judge, and you stop trying to judge other people because they don't believe same way you do. Why make life more complicated than it already is??

Do you know how many words there are in the Bible which mean God??? Jehovah is one of them, Yaweh is another, to get you started.

God is the beginning, and God is the end. God is, God was, and God will be forever. And Jesus Christ did come to this earth, and died for our sins, to give us a plan of redemption. It was a part of God's plan (Godhead) after the fall of Adam and Eve, to give us another opportunity to live life eternal, as we were originally designed to be. During our lifetime today, we only use about 5% of our brains.

Ok, I appreciate the time and effort you put into the response you gave, but please understand this: We are all human beings, we have all sinned, we all have come short of the Glory of God, including you Terry, you are no exception.

I look forward to your POSITIVE response! And by the way, I am not a Mormon, and I was never a JW, I was born into The Seventh-Day Adventist church, and was baptized by immersian when I was 13 years old. Old enough to understand what I was doing.

 

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Re: Second Coming of Christ and the Millenium...Part II
1/29/2008 9:25:05 AM
Laila, I will have to get back to you. I've got to run. Have a great day!
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Re: Second Coming of Christ and the Millenium...Part II
1/29/2008 11:52:48 AM

James,

How dare you misquote me and mislead the readers of this forum.  When you start and moderate one of these forums, you owe a duty to your readers to be honest and impartial.  Being impartial means not excluding posts just because they differ from your views, and so far you've done that.  We'll see if that impartiality continues.

You know, as the moderator of this forum, and in life, you can choose to go one of two ways, to do God's will or Satan's will.  So, I ask you, whose will do you think you're doing when you misquote me and mislead the readers of this forum! This is the very reason I don't like to get involved with these religious forums, and will never again, because Satan always manages to influence worldly people in a negative way to persecute and twist the words of Jehovah's people.  You see, when one becomes a true Christian, Satan places a target on their back and focuses his attention on them.  He doesn't have to do this to people in all the religions of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, or especially those who are atheists or agnostics or not in any religion because he already owns them.

I NEVER said what you claim I said and never would.  Nothing could be further from the truth!  Go back and read it.  Not in any way did I "in essence" as you say or any other way say that Jesus was a liar and a thief.  I am astounded by your claim!  I love Jesus and am very happy to be one of his followers!  What I said was that all of christendom's religions in effect call Jesus a liar with their false teachings of immortal soul and instant reward at death.  Because there would be no need for a resurrection of the dead if they have an immortal soul that at death instantly departs the body and goes to heaven or hell.  The Bible does not teach this.  Nowhere does it teach that humans have a separate part of them, an "immortal soul" that leaves the body at death and goes somewhere else and thinks and interacts with others.  Nowhere!  In fact, it teaches just the opposite, that the dead are conscious of nothing at all (Ecc. 9:5,6 & 10), that the "soul" that is sinning will die (Eze. 18: 4 & 20), that man and beast have the same eventuality (Ecc. 3:19), that dust we were made from and to dust we will return (Gen. 3:19).

And I have not only read, but studied extensively the whole chapter of Revelation 7.

I can't believe you have the gall to say that I said I don't believe in Christ or the Holy Spirit!  I am appalled at your deceptive statements!  You really need to step back and rethink what you are doing here, for that statement was an outright lie!

And no, I'm not "through" in the sense of my Christian duty to spread the good news.  That work by God's people will not stop until He decides to start the Great Tribulation, which is not long off though!  What I meant in that last paragraph by being through was through with that long post that took me 4 hours to put together.

And I'm not judging people in the sense that you seem to like to emphasize for some reason.  We all have to judge people on a daily basis in some respects, though.  For instance, 1 Cor. 15:33 tells us that bad associations spoil useful habits, and in that regard, we have to judge whether or not our "friends" and acquaintances are unrighteous and purposeful sinners and thus bad associations that we need to avoid.  As regards people's religious beliefs, of course we have to inquire whether their beliefs are scriptural and in accord with God's Word to be able to discern whether or not they are bad associations.  Did not God slaughter and clear out the promised land for the Israelites of all the people practicing false religion?  Yes, and He instructs us not to be co-mingling with those bad associations of false religion, for what association does light have with darkness?  And soon God will destroy these ones also!

And yes, the world's view of the word dating does mean something totally different from what it means to those who follow the Bible's admonitions to be no part of the world that belongs to Satan, which is exactly why the sin of fornication is so prevalent in the world, along with which comes the unwanted pregnancies and murder by abortion.  If people would follow the Bible's principles in this regard, the spirit of the world would not permeate their lives and result in these things.  Even the religions of christendom overlook these transgressions.  One can be unmarried and living in sin with their mate, even be homosexual, and still be accepted and mingle with the congregations of christendom, but not so in Jehovah God's true Christian religion.  We follow the Bible's admonition to keep the congregation clean!  Either these gross sinners have to stop their practices and repent of their sins, or be disfellowshipped and excluded from the congregation, just as the Bible instructs.

You said:  "Why make life more complicated than it already is??"

Well, that implies going along with the spirit of the world, does it not?  This is the world's ungodly view of things, i.e., if it feels good, do it.  The world belongs to Satan and in general has no regard for obeying God's laws.  Loving God means obeying his commands, regardless of how complicated or difficult that may make it for one.

James, the name Jehovah is the English form of the Hebrew Yahweh.  I'm not Hebrew.  Are you?  Those who object to the use of "Jehovah" might be said to "strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!" (Matt. 23:24) How so?  In that they make much of the correct pronunciation of God’s name, and yet they seldom if ever use it, but prefer to call him "God" or "Lord," which are mere titles, there being many called "lords" and "gods." (1 Cor. 8:5, 6)   How greatly the Author of the Bible set store by his unique name is apparent from the fact that his Word uses it to refer to himself more often than all other designations put together, for a total of 6,961 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His concern is also seen in the fact that the expression "they shall know that I am Jehovah" occurs upward of seventy-five times in those writings.  The name "Jehovah" was chosen by Him with great purpose, for it literally means "He Causes to Become." Jehovah’s distinctive name shows him to be a God of purpose. Whatever he purposes comes to pass. (Isa. 55:11)

Your paragraph about God is the beginning and the end is correct.   Jesus came to the earth not of his own volition, but because it was Jehovah God's will for him to do so, and the main purpose of this was not our salvation, but the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty.  Our salvation was a secondary benefit of this

Remember the first prophesy recorded in the Bible at Gen. 3:15, "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel."  That prophecy is a key to understanding the entire Bible as well as past and present events involving both the world and Jehovah’s servants. 

This is what the prophesy means. 

To appreciate its significance, consider the various elements of the prophecy itself.  The one addressed at Genesis 3:15 is the Serpent, not the lowly snake, but the one who used it. (Revelation 12:9)  "The Woman" is not Eve, but Jehovah’s heavenly organization, the mother of his spirit-anointed servants on earth. (Galatians 4:26)  The Serpent's "seed" is Satan’s seed, his offspring, demons and humans as well as human organizations that manifest the traits of Satan and that show enmity toward the "seed" of the woman. (John 15:19; 17:15)  The womans "seed" is primarily Jesus Christ, who was anointed with holy spirit in 29 C.E. The 144,000, who are "born again . . . from water and spirit" and who are heirs of the heavenly Kingdom with Christ, are a subsidiary part of that seed of promise.  These began to be added to the woman’s seed from Pentecost 33 C.E. onward. (John 3:3, 5; Galatians 3:16, 29)

A bruise or blow to the heel cannot be a death-dealing blow.  A bruise to the head, though, can be.  Satan and his seed bruised the woman's seed, Jesus Christ, in the heel, by temporarily killing Jesus and sending him to the grave, but which Jehovah God then reversed by resurrecting Jesus to eternal life.  Jesus, as the now enthroned King of God's Kingdom, will soon deal a death blow or bruise to Satan and his seed, which will be an eternal death.  By Jesus so doing this, he will once and for all vindicate Jehovah's sovereignty or right to rule over mankind and remove all reproach upon His holy name!

So, you see, this was the main purpose of Jesus coming to earth, and happily, faithful mankind received the secondary benefit of a chance at everlasting life.  But it's only a chance, nothing automatic based simply on belief in Jesus as our redeemer.

James, I'll be surprised if you post this after having read your reply to my last post, but even if you do, I am finished with these forums because invariably my motives are mistaken and my words are misquoted.  But I know the evil entity who is behind these dastardly dealings, so I forgive all and pray for you.

Terry

 

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Re: Second Coming of Christ and the Millenium...Part II
1/29/2008 2:51:29 PM
    Hi James
Thank you for letting me speak. Here I just want to say that my own favorit saying at the end of my input is nothing but a just a figurative saying that right here and everywhere God is speaking with His great variety ofmaterial means to show spiritual things. I said this is but a sign, to read, "that the sky comes all the way down to earth". We stumble upon Gods signs and we see them not.
That's all. It is like a joke, but a serious one. Use it yourself if you like it.
Bye
and thanks

Laila

"Earth is but one country and mankind it's citizens" "The source of arts and crafts is the power of reflection" Bahá'u'lláh.1817-1892 Founder of the Bahái'Faith
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