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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/15/2009 5:18:58 AM
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Hi Peter,

You might be aware of it or not, but over the period of 800 years Poland used to be the first country from the east of Europe where all wars between Christianity and Islam were fought. Poland used to be strong country during this period. Even during those times for the most part Poland itself was able to stop any Islam attacks and defend Europe from Islamisation.

I'm also frequently visiting Europe these days and have lots of family there. There is no threat of Islam there, although there are hot spots here and there, but this happens everywhere were different ethnic groups start living together.

The anti-Islam hysteria is prevalent in USA and is produced by government elements there.

Let's pretend for a second that Islam actually has plans like you said.

They would be against Western mostly Judo-Christian population which controls all the resources of the world, owns majority of weaponry of the world, owns entire technology of the world and prints the currencies (out of thin air) which are recognized throughout the world. This is way more than little Poland had for 800 years previously.

This sounds very similar to explanation of Obama when sending additional troops to Afghanistan and syaing that to keep peace we have to engage in wars. When Obama moves his 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, there will be relation of 12-1 to Taliban.

I understand some of the justifications, but when I hear 12-1 as a means to suppers the enemy, I need to ask myself about rationality of his thinking.

Also I'm not familiar with Robert Spencer, but this is not the point. I believe that he was writing books about Islam previously and he doesn't need to be a government agent.

You might know I lived for half of my life in communist country.
You don't need to be government agent, you just need to say what government wants you to say. You get the visibility and recognition, you get all the prizes and attention when you sing the song which is helping the government in their agenda.

Once pseudo-science was supported to prove that there are better human races than others.
People who conducted such research were not government agents, they were scientist the same as today's scientists creating global warming agenda with support of UN. You might want to check climategate if you are not aware of it.

Be aware of real threats and those government doesn't want you to know.
You have to dig deep to find them out.



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Hi Bogdan,

I tend to disagree with much of what you wrote. Europe is a hot bed inmost of the countries now. England, France, Belgium, Germany,Australia, Austria, Holland, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, the Scandinavian countries and the list goes on. I follow the situation in Europe very closely and have excellent sources for the many "incidents"that occur almost on a daily basis throughout Europe that are not reported on in the main stream media. The latest most serious event was the Swiss banning of minarets. So far the European leaders are against the ban while the general populations in most of the European countries when polled were for the ban.

What is interesting is that the Ex communistic countries such as Poland, Romania, Hungary and others have less problems at the moment since they weren't attractive targets for the multitudes of Muslim immigrants throughout Europe due to the oppressive communistic regimes. With the fall of communism this is slowly changing but those countries are far behind the Muslim immigrant levels of the rest of Europe. This of course doesn't include countries like Croatia, Albania and others that have a large Muslim populations for generations.

Today many consider Europe to be "Eurabia" cos of the undue influence the Muslims have living within their boundaries and the ever increasing influence regardless of supposedly low percentages in the general population.

This video shows exactly what happens within the different countries as the Muslim population grows. This unfortunately includes the United States and Canada now and it's well worth watching. The facts in it are quite stark and we are all witnesses of the progressive influence within our different countries. What you see in the video is part of the Islamic plan for world domination.


Bogdan I am well aware of the other dangers the world is facing under many guises of the different groups trying to gain control with the Global Warming religion scam/hoax at the top of the list at the moment. Climategate is just now opening the eyes of many that believed in this scam and once again if not for the internet most of us wouldn't know much about it. Main Stream Media and the different governments with the US at the fore are ignoring and minimizing the facts of the faulty"science" behind the greatest scam of the century.

I've written about this and other topics in my forum and I invite you to have a look and join in if you are interested.

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Hi Bogdan,

I tend to disagree with much of what you wrote. Europe is a hot bed inmost of the countries now. England, France, Belgium, Germany,Australia, Austria, Holland, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, the Scandinavian countries and the list goes on. I follow the situation in Europe very closely and have excellent sources for the many "incidents"that occur almost on a daily basis throughout Europe that are not reported on in the main stream media. The latest most serious event was the Swiss banning of minarets. So far the European leaders are against the ban while the general populations in most of the European countries when polled were for the ban.

What is interesting is that the Ex communistic countries such as Poland, Romania, Hungary and others have less problems at the moment since they weren't attractive targets for the multitudes of Muslim immigrants throughout Europe due to the oppressive communistic regimes. With the fall of communism this is slowly changing but those countries are far behind the Muslim immigrant levels of the rest of Europe. This of course doesn't include countries like Croatia, Albania and others that have a large Muslim populations for generations.

Today many consider Europe to be "Eurabia" cos of the undue influence the Muslims have living within their boundaries and the ever increasing influence regardless of supposedly low percentages in the general population.

This video shows exactly what happens within the different countries as the Muslim population grows. This unfortunately includes the United States and Canada now and it's well worth watching. The facts in it are quite stark and we are all witnesses of the progressive influence within our different countries. What you see in the video is part of the Islamic plan for world domination.







As an example of danger of Islam you are using case in Switzerland. I happened to follow this case when it happened. If you have really followed it than you should use it rather as a case of Swiss discrimination against Muslims and not the otherwise. These were not the Muslims who created the problem, all they wanted is to build the minaret.

You are talking about Muslims in Europe and Canada. I live in Canada for 20 years now and have quite a few Muslim friends and can tell you there is no problem of Islam in Canada. If anyone tells you otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about. By the way I lived for 4 years in Germany and have friends all over Europe. I have spent time in Pakistan, India, Mongolia and Morocco some years ago. Have visited most European countries and many of them more than 10 times.

Regarding Europe. When years ago countries like Germany, France or UK got agreements with Turkey and other Muslim counties on foreign workers, they were not thinking of how they are going to deal with their customs and religions. At that time this was not important for them, they wanted cheap labor.

Today they are virtual ghettos of children of those who once were invited as foreign workers and then later let go when economy became worse. Those children were born and raised in western countries, they were not given the opportunity to be educated and when their parents had to go home they were left in limbo.

Today you have angry Turks and others who can't identify where they actually belong. They never knew their homeland but they are not being accepted in still very racial European countries.

It is not the Muslim who are the danger, but the western governments who looked for easy pray and later have forgotten about their responsibilities and today some of them are trying to paint the picture like the Muslims are the problem.

Peter I don't know about your personal experiences in regards to what you are presenting here, but your case is very week for me.

I have been an immigrant for near half of my live, and I can relate to being different much better than those who live where they were born. I can tell you that people will find things always and this doesn't have to be the religion.


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12/15/2009 6:59:01 AM
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Hi Bogdan,

I tend to disagree with much of what you wrote. Europe is a hot bed inmost of the countries now. England, France, Belgium, Germany,Australia, Austria, Holland, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, the Scandinavian countries and the list goes on. I follow the situation in Europe very closely and have excellent sources for the many "incidents"that occur almost on a daily basis throughout Europe that are not reported on in the main stream media. The latest most serious event was the Swiss banning of minarets. So far the European leaders are against the ban while the general populations in most of the European countries when polled were for the ban.

What is interesting is that the Ex communistic countries such as Poland, Romania, Hungary and others have less problems at the moment since they weren't attractive targets for the multitudes of Muslim immigrants throughout Europe due to the oppressive communistic regimes. With the fall of communism this is slowly changing but those countries are far behind the Muslim immigrant levels of the rest of Europe. This of course doesn't include countries like Croatia, Albania and others that have a large Muslim populations for generations.

Today many consider Europe to be "Eurabia" cos of the undue influence the Muslims have living within their boundaries and the ever increasing influence regardless of supposedly low percentages in the general population.

This video shows exactly what happens within the different countries as the Muslim population grows. This unfortunately includes the United States and Canada now and it's well worth watching. The facts in it are quite stark and we are all witnesses of the progressive influence within our different countries. What you see in the video is part of the Islamic plan for world domination.







As an example of danger of Islam you are using case in Switzerland. I happened to follow this case when it happened. If you have really followed it than you should use it rather as a case of Swiss discrimination against Muslims and not the otherwise. These were not the Muslims who created the problem, all they wanted is to build the minaret.

You are talking about Muslims in Europe and Canada. I live in Canada for 20 years now and have quite a few Muslim friends and can tell you there is no problem of Islam in Canada. If anyone tells you otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about. By the way I lived for 4 years in Germany and have friends all over Europe. I have spent time in Pakistan, India, Mongolia and Morocco some years ago. Have visited most European countries and many of them more than 10 times.

Regarding Europe. When years ago countries like Germany, France or UK got agreements with Turkey and other Muslim counties on foreign workers, they were not thinking of how they are going to deal with their customs and religions. At that time this was not important for them, they wanted cheap labor.

Today they are virtual ghettos of children of those who once were invited as foreign workers and then later let go when economy became worse. Those children were born and raised in western countries, they were not given the opportunity to be educated and when their parents had to go home they were left in limbo.

Today you have angry Turks and others who can't identify where they actually belong. They never knew their homeland but they are not being accepted in still very racial European countries.

It is not the Muslim who are the danger, but the western governments who looked for easy pray and later have forgotten about their responsibilities and today some of them are trying to paint the picture like the Muslims are the problem.

Peter I don't know about your personal experiences in regards to what you are presenting here, but your case is very week for me.

I have been an immigrant for near half of my live, and I can relate to being different much better than those who live where they were born. I can tell you that people will find things always and this doesn't have to be the religion.


Bogdan Fiedur


Hi Bogdan,

I saw your reply and had to relate to one part of it. The rest later on.

The minaret issue wasn't and isn't discrimination against Muslims since the ban is against minarets only. The building of mosques weren't hindered in any way and are continuing as usual.

Here's an interesting quote of Recep Erdogan the Turkish PM. He publicly read a poem that included the following lines:


“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…”

More later on.

Shalom,

Pete
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12/15/2009 2:56:11 PM

Hey Bogdan,

I really appreciate you joining the conversation, I hope you continue as a participant. ;-)

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Hello Jim,

I rarely participate in discussions like this one.
I also want to point out that I'm a Christian, but after listening to this video I'm not feeling like a Christian person would like to sign this video or this book.

I have no problem with showing Muhammad for what he might be, but I have problem with saying that Christianity is in any danger from Islam.

Both religions had its ups and downs. By attempting to fight another person believes, one only strengthens those believes and creates reasons to use religions in fight against other humans.

America fights wars against other nations and those nations happen to be of Islam religions.
I believe this book is part of your government propaganda to strengthen American's support for those wars.

Your enemy is in your own country not in the middle east.

Yes, Bogdan, I agree the enemy is from within and they are called "PROGRESSIVES" and is part of the grand plan by the current admin to make this country into something that the PEOPLE don't want. Unfortunately they were blinded by skin color in the last presidential election, this no longer the case.

Bogdan I am surprised at your unwillingness to admit that the tragedy of 9/11 was perpetrated by Muslims. They own this travesty as seen by the celebrations worldwide by the Muslims.

If they were a truly peaceful lot, their would be more of them speaking out against the JIHAD being played out by the extremists. And their children are being brainwashed by the IMAMS in the Madrassas (schools) just like here in the states. Our schools are breeding grounds for "The Progressive Liberal Movement".

Yet the majority remain silent and supportive, by donating money to known terrorist organizations that are.... YES... MUSLIM?Islamists.

Personally, I believe the great Muhammad, like many early so called nobles, even some of my own ancestors, in their day forced the church to accept personal sins, by proclamation and threat of death.

You know Salman Rushdie exposed the prophet for what he was, in his book "Satanic Verses". Have you read it? Have you listened to the few Muslims brave enough to speak out about the barbarianism of this so called religion. Islam is more a political movement than a religion, they use death and severe punishments for those that break the laws. No other religion today is this way with their flocks in our modern world.

Islam is a threat to the world (IMHO) as long as the radical extremists are allowed to operate in the same house they live in. Fear is a grand tool isn't it?

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Your enemy is hiding in the buildings of Federal Reserve, Pentagon and White House and doesn't believe in any religion or god. If they believe in anything, than this is power and total control.

No kidding?! I really didn't know that thanks for this information. Just kidding.

If you have read any of my posts related to this subject you would know that most Americans these days realize this and we shall remedy this mistake in the coming election cycles. Ever heard about the TEAPARTY NoIncumbents 2010 movement? It's real.

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The video has been removed from YouTube for some reason ;-(

I know this president wants a private army of so called volunteers. Volunteerism is a grand thing but no longer is voluntary when required by mandate and unconstitutional. JFK called for Americans to do more for their country and Obama calls for them to do more for him and his agenda.

This puppet/marionette is cut of the same cloth as the previous administration yet this one blames the last. Forgetting that his ass was a senator in a democratically controlled congress and still blames the former president for his troubles today, such a lie.

I also know the FED has no real role per the constitution but the "Progressives" have all but burned that document to shreds. The sheeple are waking up for one reason or the other. As this administration is unable to deliver on bogus promises made during the campaign the lower his approval rating the less likely a second term will come to fruition.

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/15/2009 3:04:12 PM
Hi Bogdan,

Yes,we all know that many of the Muslim immigrants came over as cheap labor for the host countries. Since then times have changed in many ways.

1.Even then those immigrants whether from Turkey, Pakistan, Morocco or any of the other Muslim countries immigrated in order to have a better life then they had in their mother countries.

2. The cheap labor became a problem when the world economy suffered and the citizens of those countries were fighting against the cheap laborers that were working while many of them were jobless.

3. Regardless of 1& 2 the immigrants continued coming in. So the question is if things were so bad why did they continue immigrating?

4.The problems started escalating when their numbers kept on increasing and their demands on the countries they lived in were in no way relative to the percentage of the population they represented.

I think we know part of the reason for the continued immigration to European countries. The countries they lived in had worse conditions then in the European countries both in the financial aspect and the lack of liberty and freedom they had at "home". Understand if things were so bad they could have returned at any time to their parent country.

What they failed to do in most cases was integrate into the fabric of their new homes. The majority remained the same and did nothing to adapt inmost cases.

Today the situation in Europe is catastrophic. I've been to Europe many times and am very familiar with the atmosphere of fear the general populace has of the Muslim communities. This is true in England, France, Spain, Belgium and other EU countries. So far only Sarkozi has the guts to come out against what's happening in France and he might just show the way to the other countries if it's not to late.

In the US and Canada the situation is also becoming worse very quickly. The fact that you don't read about it in the news papers or see it on TV doesn't mean it isn't happening. Political Correctness is the curse word of the era and these problems along with many others are being totally ignored.

If you like I can supply you with the dismal statistics of honor killings in the US and Canada in the past few years. Escalating steadily each and every year. How about the abuse women suffer, child abuse, child marriages and so much more. Oh, and let's not forget the Jihadi attacks in the US by American born Muslims.

Again, the media and the politicians at least the liberal ones are ignoring these problems and not reporting them unless forced by the internet news agencies and bloggers.

I am willing to wager that I have more Muslim acquaintances and friends then most of you and yet I'm aware as they are of the dangers facing us. They don't deny what they are being taught and brainwashed to
believe. Some remain Muslim in name only cos leaving the religion is a dangerous route for them to take.

I have countless Christians friends amongst the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs. They'll "happily" tell you how they suffer and are discriminated against in the PA and Gaza but not the Israeli Christian Arabs. They have total freedom of religion here.

I too have been an immigrant and we learned that in order to get ahead and become a part of our adopted country we have to adapt to the norms of the country we live in and not the opposite. Freedom of religion of course but the laws of the land and mores of the countries are the law and have to be accepted and obeyed.

Unfortunately I don't feel you've touched on any of the existing problems and gloss over them as if they aren't important or don't exist. As I said I'll be more then glad to supply you with links to respectable sites that may show you a situation far different then the one you are trying to portray.

I'll end this post with a quote from Muammar Gaddafi.

Thereare signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe withoutswords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, wedon't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] willturn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.

The major problem always is that people don't listen and believe what Radical Islam and Muslims say and it's about time to pay more serious attention. Regardless of the quote you have both the armed terrorists, suicide bombers, Jihadis and the 50+ million Muslims in Europe and as I said in a earlier post "Eurabia" here we come.

Shalom,

Peter


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