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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/20/2009 5:04:19 AM
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Hi Jim,

I thought you might find this interesting. It's a new video released by the Christian Action Network about a Radical Islam Jihad training camp in Hancock, New York. It's just one of over 3 dozen camps spread around the United States.

You can read more about it here.

Shalom,

Peter

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Peter you are missing the mark and only showing part of the picture. In order to be able to see bigger picture you need to rise above. In US there are over 100 militia groups and they all say they want to defend America as in your video above. Those militia groups are not Muslims. These are Americans with all kind of backgrounds who are concerned with what is going on in America right now. If I was Muslim in America these days, I would make sure that I'm ready for what is coming with all the anti-Muslim propaganda creatd by MSM and US government.

Look at this video how the talk show host is trying to ridicule such group.

You might also want to see with the ADL is saying about it.
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/rage-grows-in-America/default.asp

Bogdan


Hi Bogdan,

In your different posts here you mentioned anti-Muslim propaganda by the American Government and the MSM. Quite the opposite is true and I would appreciate sources for your claims. MSM is so politically correct they won't call a terrorist a terrorist anymore and the government under the leadership of B Hussein have done nothing other then ignore any dangers, terrorist attacks and have been on an appeasement trail since his first day in office and prior to his taking office.

There have always been fringe militias in the US. They are small groups that are founded and funded locally. None have the international backing and funding of terrorist organizations and foreign governments. None have over 3 dozen (36) training camps throughout the United States (and more in Canada I might add). None have a known international terrorist leader as their fountainhead and are strict adherents of his way, path and instructions. Here are parts of the text you mention about them being American:

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The video shows women marching in military formation, scalingwalls,engaging in hand-to-hand combat and also reveals a Muslimconfirming that the organization's own census revealed that Muslims area majority in the United States and they are claiming it as their own.

The speaker states, "We are 100 percent sure that Muslims are the majority in America."

Hecontinues, "Our Islamic political party has based its manifesto on thisfact. We want to declare once and for all that America is our country."

Accordingto CAN, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in2005 warned aboutJamaat ul-Fuqra, a Pakistani-based organization that"had the capacityto attack" America.

The U.S. State Department's 1998 "Patterns ofGlobal Terrorism"report notes the organization "seeks to purify Islamthrough violence."

The report continued, "Members have purchasedisolated rural compounds in North America to live communally, practicetheir faith and insulate themselves from Western culture. Fuqra membershave attacked a variety of targets that they view as enemies of Islam."

CAN,led by Martin Mawyer, has researched Muslims of Americafor years andhas provided its video to the FBI, State Department andHomelandSecurity.

Hmmm, they think they are the majority in America and it is theirs. Interesting.

So I believe it's you that's missing the point and are ignoring the inherent dangers facing Western society.

I read the ADL article and they in essence are showing the dangers of militant groups but in no way support them that are growing as result of B Hussein regime's turning to a Socialist/Marxist form of government and the loss of their constitutional rights according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights..

In addition the ADL reports about the growing power of the different grassroots organizations that in the latest polls within the U.S.A. are beating both the Republicans and Democrats (Tea Party). All the protests by them have been peaceful and the government's trying to ignore them have empowered them even more and this is across the board membership. People from all political parties.

So, again please give some sources to prove your claim that

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If I was Muslim in America these days, I would make sure that I'm readyfor what is coming with all the anti-Muslim propaganda creatd by MSMand US government.
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Shalom,

Peter



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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/20/2009 7:29:12 AM


The video shows women marching in military formation, scalingwalls,engaging in hand-to-hand combat and also reveals a Muslimconfirming that the organization's own census revealed that Muslims area majority in the United States and they are claiming it as their own.

The speaker states, "We are 100 percent sure that Muslims are the majority in America."

Hecontinues, "Our Islamic political party has based its manifesto on thisfact. We want to declare once and for all that America is our country."

Accordingto CAN, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in2005 warned aboutJamaat ul-Fuqra, a Pakistani-based organization that"had the capacityto attack" America.

The U.S. State Department's 1998 "Patterns ofGlobal Terrorism"report notes the organization "seeks to purify Islamthrough violence."

The report continued, "Members have purchasedisolated rural compounds in North America to live communally, practicetheir faith and insulate themselves from Western culture. Fuqra membershave attacked a variety of targets that they view as enemies of Islam."

CAN,led by Martin Mawyer, has researched Muslims of Americafor years andhas provided its video to the FBI, State Department andHomelandSecurity.

Hmmm, they think they are the majority in America and it is theirs. Interesting.

You say that women are in military formations.
How about this, what this looks like to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVqYfElxlbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wji0f6OM3sE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSoiS44JdoI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n0c9vM44x8


I can find two dzones more of links like this. These are not Muslims. These are people afraid of US government.



When Muslims in your clip say that US is their county, is that they are trying to say that US is as good country for them as for anybody else who is not Muslim. They feel to be Americans and nobody can call them enemies of US. They feel that they have right to be called Americans like anybody else.

So I believe it's you that's missing the point and are ignoring the inherent dangers facing Western society.

Western society had its time and I don't like their legacy which is fascism, communism and total exploitation of the underdeveloped world. You continually talking about Islam wanting to dominate the world. What about those who are dominating the world right now? These are the lairs, fascists, child molesters and eugenicists. Look at what the global warming agenda is trying to accomplish, look who wants to limit the internet today, look who wanted to vaccinate entire population with H1N1 vaccines with no reason whatsoever. I don't want to be part of western world which is subscribing to these ideas. I'm the one who is against it. I will be against western fascism/communism which is now born again. US Homeland organization is equivalent of German Stasi so I wouldn't pay too much attention to what they have to say or what they said. The were installed to remove US constitution.

If it comes to purify themselves from Western culture. This is what my own dream is. I want to stay away from these fascists and communists as far as possible. They have screwed my life already one time before. Fortunately most of them are gone now, we have to deal with this new fascist/communists/eco-fashist incarnation again though.


I read the ADL article and they in essence are showing the dangers of militant groups but in no way support them that are growing as result of B Hussein regime's turning to a Socialist/Marxist form of government and the loss of their constitutional rights according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights..

In addition the ADL reports about the growing power of the different grassroots organizations that in the latest polls within the U.S.A. are beating both the Republicans and Democrats (Tea Party). All the protests by them have been peaceful and the government's trying to ignore them have empowered them even more and this is across the board membership. People from all political parties.

So, again please give some sources to prove your claim that

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If I was Muslim in America these days, I would make sure that I'm readyfor what is coming with all the anti-Muslim propaganda creatd by MSMand US government.

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Shalom,

Peter





My claim is that Us government is behind the 9/11. Look for my response previously to this thread. Show me that WTC building 7 was not a controlled demolition. The US government has orchestrated it and then accused Muslims extremist of doing it. MSM propaganda has helped to ensure that this idea is the consensus and never allowed for different ideas and questioning of this theory to surface. MSM is nothing but Soviet Union "Prawda" which has been representing opinions of Soviet Union Govermnent for decades. US is SU today once SU disappeared. These are so called neocons which by Hitler's standards would be his buddies. What happened to Jews 65 years ago now is about to happen to Muslims. You won't see me on the side of neocons.

As SU fell apart so will US.

Look I joined this discussion to show you that while somebody wants to scare me with false problems I'm aware of much more danger which is 100 times stronger and this is what you need to be aware of.

You still have the chance to stay on the right side of the history. Once the dices are rolling there will be only two sides and changing sides after this won't be very popular. The world of today is not very pretty because of some humans, and I think the world is getting pissed off and is determined to do something about it. Tyranny has to go. Democracy was a good try, but we need something more lasting which will ensure that democracy is not compromised.

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/20/2009 5:44:24 PM

Jim, I hope it is okay to post here. While there are very few things written here that I would come close to agreeing with, what I do believe is that our world needs more concern for other people and lots less greed from leaders. I only have that to say and won't discuss further because I am not as informed as those posting here. I just wanted to 'break the breech' and stop by to leave some of these.

and to wish all of you

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/20/2009 8:50:45 PM
Hello Bogdan,

There are many things we agree upon and much we don't. The Global Warming scam/hoax for sure and many unanswered questions in regard to the 9/11 attack. Alex Jones' conspiracy theories raise many questions many of which are in limbo and remain unanswered. Yet until proven they remain in the category of theories and no more. We all have questions about that fateful day and the collapse of building 7 is one of them.

The Illuminati and Bildenbergs are something I assume we partially agree on they've been around for generations and are behind the FED. Yet, there are issues beyond those that Alex Jones researches
and fights for and whether he believes in them or not doesn't mean they don't exist.

To purport that the plan is to exterminate the Muslims like the Nazis exterminated the Jews borders on the ridiculous. Let's be realistic. There are over 1,500,000,000 (one and half billion) Muslims in the
world, how my friend is their extermination going to be accomplished? And who is interested in doing that to begin with? The Neocons? If so how? C'mon let's get real? Why in the world don't you listen to what
they are saying. You posted around 6 links to prove there are militia groups in the US and we all know that and they've been around for many generations. But there aren't dozens of videos on the many different proclamations of the Imams and the terrorist groups
there are literally thousands. The problem is that intelligent people like yourself aren't listening and if the person they believe in says it doesn't exist then for them it's a dead issue. That Bogdan is very dangerous.

But I understand that and can accept that we won't agree about everything but I and many that think like me can see more then one avenue of problems that endanger the world and understand they don't
contradict each other but in a way compliment each other.

Main stream media and the government of today under B Hussein are not in any way attacking the Muslims nor do they have any agenda or plan to do so. As I said in the past quite the opposite. If you base your claim
on the fact that MSM doesn't talk about the conspiracy theories in regard to 9/11 they in fact do. They might minimize them but they are discussed. Much more so then the danger of Radical Islam. That for them
doesn't exist and it's politically incorrect to even hint that the problem exists. The proof is staring them in the face but like you they prefer to ignore it and close their eyes to the very serious threat emanating from Radical Islam.

You ended off by saying:
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"Democracy was a good try, but we need something more lasting".
Now I wonder what option you have to offer that will be more lasting? I see that you edited the page and added onto your original post but the question still stands as is.

Shalom,

Peter

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RE: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: QURAN is a FRAUD !
12/20/2009 10:04:19 PM
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There are many things we agree upon and much we don't. The Global Warming scam/hoax for sure and many unanswered questions in regard to the 9/11 attack. Alex Jones' conspiracy theories raise many questions many of which are in limbo and remain unanswered. Yet until proven they remain in the category of theories and no more. We all have questions about that fateful day and the collapse of building 7 is one of them.


The question of WTC number 7 and of course hundreds of others related to it are the crucial questions on which I'm basing my discussion here. I don't state that Islam doesn't have its problems, all I'm saying is that we have bigger problems to deal with. I have already made up my mind and spent months doing research about 9/11 if not years. My knowledge about this topic goes beyond this discussion we are having here. As I stated many times I lived half of my life in the totalitarian state and my prospective and alertness to those issues is 100 times more tuned into than average North American person. I had to give up everything I had and leave my country. I had to learn new language, customs and start from scratch.

Americans were helping Hitler during first years of IIWW. Rockefeller was supplying oil products for the sake of ammunition (about 80% of the demand), Bush was laundering monies for Nazis and Americans were inspiration for Hitler with their eugenics program. This was very promising relationship until Germans appeared to be loosing the war and it looked like the good income might stop and Russians might take control of Europe. They needed a good reason to go to war because there was no public support for it, so they gathered all their ships and fleet in one place and made sure that Japanese find out about it.

Then they join the war of course with public support (much like 9/11) and show up as the saviors when Russians were on their way to capture the west. Of course there is more details to it.

Why I'm telling you this. Big money was behind those wars before and behind the wars which are bing fought today. You can't prove anything until those monsters are in power.

You need to believe in it, get rid of them and then you will find your proofs.

I have all the proofs I needed watching what US did during cold war before it and now.

Within year or two, once hyperinflation makes US dollar worth less than the paper on which it was printed, US people will show you all the proofs you are looking for. Neocons, banksters will be running like rats from North America to some other place where they can continue their scam. Probably this will be Europe again. UE is almost ready to be taken control of with the new president pointed by Bilderbergs and total lack of democracy in European parliament. Probably Euro will become the new most important reserve currency which they control already anyway. The America as we know it, will be gone in two years without Muslims even blinking.


http://www.youtube.com/europarl#p/u/13/rG2yzaiqezI
http://www.youtube.com/europarl#p/u/14/tsVZ4VepQdg
http://www.youtube.com/europarl#p/u/20/ljAANHPkrAE


So if you are concerned who will be dominating this world look at real issues.
I won't be worried about being hit by lightning when I'm sitting on the burning stove.

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If you base your claim on the fact that MSM doesn't talk about the conspiracy theories in regard to 9/11 they in fact do


Of course they do, they call them conspiracy theories and their purpose is to ridicule anybody who believes in them. They are creating the perception that intelligent person should not believe in such stories and many people just to not look stupid don't mention them.

Hitler said. "The bigger the lie, the harder it is to deny it"

I'd rather will be wrong with accepting some theories than ignore it and help creating another Hitler.

In the science world it is said that if you are not a skeptic of any idea, you are not a good scientist.
Unfortunately in every day life and in politics, it is exactly the opposite. You are expected to believe anything your government is telling you, or you are a troublemaker. You need to be politically correct and behave in certain ways or you are a weirdo.

The more totalitarian is the government the more it will try to ridicule anybody who is against their totalitarian power. At first they will ignore you, and when you are too vocal they will ridicule you and if this doesn't help, they will call a terrorist or find a good reason to make criminal out of you.

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To purport that the plan is to exterminate the Muslims like the Nazis exterminated the Jews borders on the ridiculous. Let's be realistic. There are over 1,500,000,000 (one and half billion) Muslims in the world, how my friend is their extermination going to be accomplished? And who is interested in doing that to begin with? The Neocons? If so how? C'mon let's get real?


I didn't mean they would be totally exterminated. I meant they will lose their lives. Although there is a difference between exterminating the nation and killing bunch of people, from the point view of humanity there is no difference if you kill 10 mln people from one nation or from several nations. For the individual person there is no difference when this person dies if they are Jews or if they are Muslims. There is simply life taken away.

Each day Americans and allies are killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Irak, Pakistan (Blackwater) and soon who knows where. If it comes to unrest in US or European countries where Muslims have large population and their government will look for a scape goats, like in 9/11 case, there will be a lots of citizen which will belive it and will turn against those Muslims. This is why I was saying that Muslims have to get ready for this case scenario.


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You ended off by saying:
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"Democracy was a good try, but we need something more lasting".
Now I wonder what option you have to offer that will be more lasting? I see that you edited the page and added onto your original post but the question still stands as is.



I have edited my post because it was difficult to ready in the format I ended it. I have also added couple words to the above statement to make sure that I'm not misunderstood.
Democracy is a great mechanism and possibly the only one which ever gave the chance to humanity to correct their direction if they are off track. The problem with democracy is that it can be easily manipulated by those who are in power and who are entrusted. Democratic system can only work properly when money is entirely removed from the process of governing. A politician should represent their constituency and not the corporations which is the case now.

The big farce of choosing president of US, is a big realty show, which has totally no influence on what the president will actually do. It is a show much like a gladiators show in ancient Rome to satisfy the blood thirsty public and misdirect its attention to issues which have no effect whatsoever on their lives.

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