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Re: PIED PIPER FAIRY TALE - FACT OR FICTION?
3/14/2009 4:31:49 AM

Hello Friends,

I got this today from our friend Gaby and thought it was fitting for this thread.

Hope you enjoy it.

Shalom,

Peter

I recently asked my friend ' s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.

She said she wanted to be President some day.

Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her,

'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?

' She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.' Her parents beamed.

'Wow... What a worthy goal. 'I told her'.

But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that.

You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50.

Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out

and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked,

' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

I said, ' Welcome to the Republican Party.' Do the work and get paid for it.

Her parents still aren't speaking to me.

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Re: PIED PIPER FAIRY TALE - FACT OR FICTION?
3/14/2009 6:01:05 AM
Hello Peter and Friends,

Just got some respite this weekend and decided to nose around the community and it's nice to be here!

Looks like the heat is still on concerning the the pros and cons of the American Republicans and the Democrats vis-a-vis the present government of Barrack Obama (or did you address him as BO?). Every citizen has to be weary of the going-ons in his country no matter who is in charge and I think now that a Democrat (and according to what I could piece together here, one whose citizenship you guys could not ascertain) is in power out there, then the Republicans have every need to police this government. This should be the checks and balances that I was thought in secondary classes to make for a good and productive governance. At least we are told the good Lord in His wisdom decided to create everything in twos and this must have been His primary objective (check and balance).

What flickers as a source of concern to some of us watchers outside the USA, is the  manner and style the opposition (Republicans)  is adopting in playing that role of check and balance. I could read mostly outright condemnations and attacks on the present government especially on the person of Barrack Obama by the Republicans than providing positive ideas, advice and corrective measures (I want to believe my ALP Republican friends are representing the generality of America's Republicans).

 One thing I am able to extract from every contributor here is the LOVE for your dear country and the pride of America's culture of freedom and free society. I am very sure no one wants a stain on the constitutional values of the "God's own country" as is at times the case in my continent here. So why don't the issue of condemnation and character assasination be taken from the front burner and replaced with positive participation for the general good of America.

I am at a lost why America, with all its sophistication, technology and development (even after the 9/11 case) is incapable of differentiating between their citizens and non-citizens, up to the level that they collectively participated and voted such a fellow into the country's highest position of authority and responsibity!!!!! Any reasonable answer for such unfarthomable flaw at this age?
If this is the case of mistaken identity, then the best way I think the American people can go about it, is to invoke the powers of their constitution which, by the way, is supposed to be superior to many other world constitutions. The American judiciary is among the best in the world and should be at home with its constitution.

I am sure Obama's call and extension of hand of fellowship to all the American people is still valid. Joining hands with him to build a greater, more respectable, more influential and more peaceful America would be a better deal. Suffice it to state here that he needs all the positive and benefical criticism to wipe him in line whenever he steers off course and when need be.
May God bless America and the rest of us!!!!!!

With due regards to everyone.
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Re: PIED PIPER FAIRY TALE - FACT OR FICTION?
3/14/2009 7:06:16 AM

Hello Sam,

Good to see you here.

You know this election isn't the first one that the candidate of my choice didn't win. In the past I never had a problem giving the new President the chance to prove himself and a period of quiet to do so.

BHO, is a different story and there is one simple thing he could have done and in fact still can do to alleviate all suspicion from him. Open all his records like every other candidate did in the past. He not only refused to do that he is fighting it in court in every way possible.

The only conclusion any logical person can have is that he has something to hide. If so the issue will not be closed until he proves he has the constitutional right to be in the White House.

Shalom,

Peter

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Re: PIED PIPER FAIRY TALE - FACT OR FICTION?
3/14/2009 3:10:27 PM
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the information. It is interesting to learnt that the judiciary is currently unravelling whatever BHO may have been hiding all these while.

If he got in there with all the supposed skeleton we're told, then it'll be nice to see his back. For now we'll wait on the law to take its rightful course!!

Shalom dear Peter!
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Re: PIED PIPER FAIRY TALE - FACT OR FICTION? GOOD NEWS!
3/15/2009 9:06:57 PM
 Hello Sam,

Well in a way you're right it is up to the courts now. the problem is that BHO is fighting it in the courts up to and including scare and strong arm
tactics. Many are continuing the fight to get to the truth.

The question that remains is what the hell is this man hiding and fighting so desperately to hide. For a person that promised transparency he is showing none at all.

The good news is that there are those that aren't giving up and are continuing the fight to find if BHO has the constitutional right to be President of the USA.

Read the article below and you'll see what is really going on.

Shalom,

Peter


 


WND Exclusive
BORN IN THE USA?
Chief justice accepts 'eligibility' petition
Roberts agrees to read Obama docs, consider WND's 330,000 signers

Posted: March 14, 2009
4:45 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts

A California attorney lobbying the U.S. Supreme Court for a review of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president confronted the chief justice yesterday with legal briefs and a WND petition bearing names of over 325,000 people asking the court to rule on whether or not the sitting president fulfills the Constitution's "natural-born citizen" clause.

According to Orly Taitz, the attorney who confronted Chief Justice John Roberts at a lecture at the University of Idaho, the judge promised before the gathered crowd that he would, indeed, read and review the briefs and petition.

"I addressed him in front of 800 people in the audience," Taitz told WND, "including university officials, the president of the Idaho State Bar and the chief justice of the Supreme Court of Idaho, and in front of all them, [Roberts] promised to read my papers."

Roberts was lecturing on Abraham Lincoln to approximately 1,200 attendees of the annual Bellwood Memorial Lecture Series at the Moscow, Idaho, university. Roberts has been chief justice of the Supreme Court since his nomination by President George W. Bush and subsequent confirmation in 2005.

Earlier in the week, Taitz confronted Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who told her the issue of Obama's eligibility, which has been raised before the Supreme Court at least four times but has yet to be given a single hearing, still lacked the votes of the required four justices in conference before it would be officially heard.

Taitz said, "I told Scalia that I was an attorney that filed Lightfoot v. Bowen that Chief Justice Roberts distributed for conference on Jan. 23 and now I represent nine state reps and 120 military officers, many of them high ranked, and I want to know if they will hear Quo Warranto and if they would hear it on original jurisdiction, if I bring Hawaii as an additional defendant to unseal the records and ascertain Obama's legitimacy for presidency."

The legal phrase Quo Warranto essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 325,000 others and sign up now!

"Tell me what to do, what can I do?" Taitz reports asking Scalia. "Those soldiers [her plaintiffs] can be court-martialed for asking a legitimate question, who is the president, is he legitimate?"

She says Scalia responded, "Bring the case, I'll hear it, I don't know about others."

In Idaho, Taitz obtained the promise of one of the others, the chief justice, that he would read through the eligibility challenge, including the petition brought by WND readers.

As WND reported, Taitz is submitting a motion to the Supreme Court for re-hearing of Lightfoot v. Bowen, a case she is working on through her foundation Defend Our Freedoms, alleging some of her documentation may have been withheld from the justices by a court clerk.

Orly Taitz
Orly Taitz

She asserts docketing information about her case "was erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on January 21st, one day after the inauguration and two days before [the case was to be heard]."

At the lecture in Idaho, Taitz grabbed the attention of Justice Roberts by boldly addressing her allegation that a clerk had buried the case.

Taitz told WND that the forum rules required that those questioning Roberts announce their relationship to the University of Idaho and refrain from talking about cases currently before or likely to appear before the court.

"I said, 'Justice Roberts, my name is Orly Taitz. I'm an attorney from California, and I got up at 3 o'clock in the middle of the night, flew and drove thousands of miles just to ask you a question. So please give me some leeway,'" Taitz told WND. "My question is, do you know there is illegal activity going on in the Supreme Court of the United States?"

According to Taitz, the room was stunned silent as she continued, "I have presented my case to you, and you personally agreed to hear this case in conference. But your clerk refused to forward a supplemental brief to you. He has hidden this brief from you. He refused to put it on the docket. Additionally, my case was erased from the docket one day after the Inauguration, two days before my case was to be heard.

"Outraged citizens and members of the media and state representatives are calling the Supreme Court, demanding to have the case reentered on the docket," Taitz told Roberts.

Then she held up the WND petition and continued, "Moreover, here are the names of U.S. citizens who signed this petition and who sent individual letters to individual justices, including you, Justice Roberts, all of them demanding the same thing – that you hear my case in regards to Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility for presidency."

According to Taitz, Roberts approached the microphone and said, "I see you have papers. I promise you I will read all your papers, I will review them. Please give them to my Secret Service and I will review all of them."

Shortly thereafter, Taitz told WND, a Secret Service agent identified by his badge as Gilbert Shaw accepted two suitcases of documents and pledged to deliver them to Roberts.

Taitz reports the documents included four major sections:

  • A motion for reconsideration of Lightfoot v. Bowen with all its supplemental briefs.

  • The Quo Warranto Easterling et al v. Obama et al case.

  • The WND petition, consisting of 3,300 pages of names – over 325,000 in all – of people demanding the Supreme Court hear the Obama eligibility case.

  • A copy of a 164-page dossier sent to Attorney General Eric Holder detailing suspected criminal activity surrounding Obama and his supporters, also available on the Defend Our Freedoms website.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, some suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Although Obama officials have told WND all such allegations are "garbage," here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

  • New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

  • Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.

  • Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

  • Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

  • Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case was dismissed by Judge Michael P. Kenny.

  • Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

  • Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

  • In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

  • Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.

  • In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

  • In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

  • California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.

In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

  • In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

  • In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

  • In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

  • In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

  • In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed

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