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Re: The Mythology Behind Global Warming
4/24/2007 5:48:40 AM

Hi Dave,

thanks for the kind comments. I should perhaps have made myself a little clearer on reflection - by stating that although we are different in the sense of accepting 'a creator', I am also reminded through my continuous readings of the wonderful statement made in the first World War - when someone said 'There's no such thing as an Atheist in the trenches!'

So, I am not an atheist, but surely an agnostic.  I sincerely hope that all you people with belief are correct - I really do, but I just wish the standards presumably espoused were revealed more on a day to day basis.

I am genuinely a Believer when it comes to Respect as when you think about it this overflows into every aspect of our lives, and when it disappears we are all in trouble - but when it is in evidence everything (animals, plants, children, us)and everybody gets a better life.

Commenting on the subject that started this forum - i.e. Global Warming (anyone remember that?), I too am not convinced by the arguments either for or against. My biggest problem to be absolutely frank is when a certain other poster hits in with his inevitable prose style, I really do find myself looking more carefully at the counter-argument, as my mind shudders at sharing a same or similar view.

I do not have the education or erudition to declare one way or the other, but just one of the hapless masses that get confused as a more ten years ago - or so, we were being regaled by the media of a New Ice Age.  I accept that 10 years is not even a blink of an eyelid in any great schemes of things, so the changes do seem to be exceptionally rapid - AND there are still conflicting views.

Definitely I agree with clearing up our mess, as even here in the countryside it is incredible to see tourists throwing their rubbish in the roads.  This puzzles me extremely as I cannot work out why people want to visit places and then do their best to destroy the very thing they have come to see. Is that weird or what?

Keep up the good work!

Norm

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Re: The Mythology Behind Global Warming
4/24/2007 7:34:12 AM

so the changes do seem to be exceptionally rapid

Hi, Norman,

Who says the changes are exceptionally rapid?

There have been no measurable changes in the last ten years.

What has happened in the last ten years is virtually a repeat of what happened in the ten years before that - government spokesmen spreading gloom and despondancy about the weather! (and immigration and job losses and the much vaunted level of terror etc etc) 

The only difference between now and ten years ago is the level of panic being engineered by governments of the western world.

It is very significant that some posters at Adland are picking through the news and pulling out horrific stories about death and mayhem because they think that they are doing their friends a favour by promulgating hopeless stories of wasted lives and tragedy.

This is so sad.

The Old Coot 

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Re: The Mythology Behind Global Warming
4/24/2007 4:42:17 PM
Sorry Guys, here is the REAL reason behind global warming.
Cheers, Gerri

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Re: The Mythology Behind Global Warming
4/25/2007 12:59:42 AM

Hi Arthur,

I must remember that my sense of irony never seems to travel into the US (Canada?).

My comment was intended to be just that - ironic - hence my referral to what we were regaled with ten years ago, and a ditto situation, opposite and a little more excessively pronounced, that we have today.

Cheers,

Norm

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Re: Ice Ages and Global Warming Rapid (Rabid?) Change...
4/25/2007 3:51:42 AM
Hi Norm, There does always seem to be some kind of disaster headed our way. (I hear a giant meteor is getting uncomfortably close...) In the sixties, it was all-out nuclear war (which definitely COULD have happened. The survivalist movement spent every waking moment preparing, including, in some cases, building (or buying) underground hideouts with various degrees of elaborate systems to survive a nuclear holocaust. (That was the time when the best advice I heard was that in the event of nuclear war, the best defense was to place your head firmly between your knees and kiss your tail end good-bye!) In the seventies and early eighties, conspiracy theories abounded, with people stockpiling food, weapons and other necessities in some of those leftover bunkers and in other remote areas because the government was going to do like the Nazis did before WWII - take over everything and take away everyone's rights. Note that these things were possibilities, but they didn't happen. Lots of things that are possible never happen. Pessimism just makes life miserable, and won't stop any of these things from happening, anyway. Now the big scare is global warming. But what is absolutely ridiculous about all the worrying going on is that the same scientists who are telling us that global warming is a reality are also telling us there's nothing we can do to stop it in our lifetime or in many lifetimes. They're saying that it took a long, long time to get to this point and that it's going to take a very long time to reverse the effects. At the same time that this is going on, other scientists are telling us that an ice age over Europe is imminent as the North Atlantic Current is slowing down. Some are linking global warming to this slowing process. So... if global warming takes a long, long time to happen and an even longer time to reverse, and if global warming is going to cause an ice age (that, I believe, means it's going to get really cold! lol), then what are we worrying about? Personally, I think fretting about climate change is causing many people to forget about many of the other problems on this planet, including all the other pollutants other than a little extra CO2. From studying archeaology and geology, it seems to me that the evidence that is being trumpeted as proving global warming due to a little extra CO2 in our atmosphere is VERY narrow thinking. Why is the globe cooler right now than it was around 600 years ago? Kings records show that wine grapes used to be one of the crops in Northern England. Wheat used to be grown in Scotland. Around 1400 AD it was no longer possible to grow these crops because it was too cold. Viking graves have been discovered under the permafrost in Greenland. There's no record that the Vikings ever dug through permafrost to bury their dead or that they even had the tools to do so. The first records of Iceland being completely surrounded in ice for part of the year are from around 1400 AD. Older evidence, of course, shows that the earth was considerably warming at some point, with many of the areas presently covered by ice being covered with vegetation and supporting a wide variety of wildlife. Many are familiar with the discoveries of animal and vegetation remains under the permafrost in the Arctic. In between the warm times have been both mini ice ages and at least one great ice age. The whole point of this is that these climate changes left very distinct fingerprints on the planet, and were definitely not caused by human activity. Climate change happens, regardless of what humans do. We're a lot punier than we like to think. God bless, Dave
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