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7/30/2012 1:24:39 PM
Hi Evelyn & Friends,

Well said my friend. It seems that when the liberal progressives aren't able to influence and control the people's thoughts and beliefs they go out on the rampage and attack perfectly honest and decent members of our society for daring to express their own beliefs.

Personally I think that the opposite is what's actually happening. It's not only that straight people believe that marriage is between a man and a woman they had the audacity to say it in public. It sorta reminds me that the only ones throwing their sexuality in the faces of others are the gay community (and I am not anti gay in any way matter or form). I've never heard of a "straight pride parade" but almost every city has a form of "gay pride parades".

Why is their same sex activism considered the norm now and believing marriage should only be between a man and a woman not acceptable? The answer is the progressive liberal brainwashing that is prevalent in our society and kudos to those willing to express their beliefs in public.

Chick-fil-A will continue doing business and I'm confident that all logical and sensible people regardless of political beliefs will support them and of course their right to express their own beliefs and convictions.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hello everyone, I'm sure by now most of you have heard of all the controversy with Chik-Fil-A and when I read this article today from one of my online sources decided to post it. This is not about agreeing or disagreeing with someone's sexual orientation but about losing more of our freedoms. I have my own opinion about homosexuality but I don't go around talking about it. People's sex lives are none of my business but I resent it big time when it is thrown in my face regardless of whether anyone is a homosexual or heterosexual. Regardless of anyone's sexual orientation it should be kept private behind closed doors and only shared between consenting adults and not broadcast to the whole world, it's called decency.

Mayors thrashed for talk of Chick-fil-A ban


'It should be a wake-up call to every American who believes in liberty and freedom'
by Chelsea Schilling

When Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy said he supports biblical marriage between a man and a woman – rather than homosexual marriage – several U.S. mayors threatened to ban the fast-food chain from coming to their cities.

But would such a move be legal?

Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver told WND’s Greg Corombos that city bans on Chick-fil-A would be unconstitutional.

He said this reaction proves that homosexual activists are militantly intolerant and are interested in intimidating and silencing critics rather than engaging in an actual debate.

Boycotts were called, homosexuals threatened to hold kiss-ins at Chick-fil-A restaurants and at least three big-city mayors blasted the fast-food chain: Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee.

Emanuel declared that “Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values.” Emanuel’s spokeswoman later said the mayor wouldn’t stop Chick-fil-A from opening a new restaurant.

In a letter to Cathy, Menino wrote, “There is no place for discrimination on Boston’s Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it.” Menino later said he was expressing his own opinion and couldn’t stop Chick-fil-A from coming to Boston.

Lee tweeted: “Closest (hash)ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.”

Staver said threats to ban Chick-fil-A from cities are irresponsible, and blocking a business from opening due to the personal beliefs of its leader would be discriminatory and, therefore, illegal.

“It’s a wake-up call to all of us who have biblical values and share these moral principles that natural marriage is a union of one man, one woman,” Staver said. “We’re facing a very intolerant movement that wants to silence biblical views and views on natural marriage and morality.

“Here we have the president of Chick-fil-A, a privately owned, family run business, who expresses in an interview – based upon the Bible – that natural marriage is the union of one man and one woman. As a result of that, a firestorm breaks out and you have government officials, such as the mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emanuel, and the mayor of Boston, Mayor Tom Menino, and you also have the alderman in Chicago, all of whom are saying that Chick-fil-A cannot do business in their cities – that they’re not going to allow them to have a business permit, zoning permit. They’re going to block them from having a Chick-fil-A restaurant.

“That’s absolutely outrageous, and it should be a wake-up call to every American and everyone who believes in liberty and freedom.”

Staver said the belief that marriage is a union of one man and one woman has been shared by various cultures and religions throughout history.

“It’s common sense and part of who we are as Americans and as individuals around the world,” he said. “Now Mayor Rahm Emanuel says that those values are incompatible with the values of Chicagoans. They may be incompatible with Rahm Emanuel’s values, but they’re certainly compatible with most of Chicagoans and most of America.”

He noted that many legal professionals have condemned the mayors’ threats to block Chick-fil-A from their cities.

“These statements should not be made by government officials,” he argued. “These statements are the height of discrimination, and they simply undermine the Constitution. They are absolutely uncalled for, and these individuals ought to be ashamed that they even made these kinds of statements against Chick-fil-A, Mr. Cathy or anyone else who hold those views while they were in their government position.”

Staver noted that UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has written an article saying the mayors have opened up their cities to criticism and even litigation because of their threats. He said even the ACLU condemned the statements. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg – despite his own support of same-sex marriage – said he disagrees with his fellow mayors.

Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show on WOR that it is wrong for the government “to look at somebody’s political views and decide whether or not they can live in the city, or operate a business in the city, or work for somebody in the city.”

Even Richard Socarides, a New York lawyer and former Clinton White House adviser on homosexual “rights” who is calling for a boycott of Chick-fil-A, told the Associated Press cities cannot regulate speech by denying business permits based on political beliefs.

Staver said, “Every person from left to right and anything in between – within the legal arena, law professors and public-interest organizations – has said that these are outrageous, they’re uncalled for, and they cross the line. Government officials should not censor what you’re doing, in your speech, in your private views, and therefore try to hold over you an opposition to even do business.”

Staver warned that the homosexual-marriage movement is not about “tolerance.”

“This is not about what two people want to do in the privacy of their own home,” he said. “This is an ideological clash of unprecedented proportions. There will be one winner, and there will be one loser. …

“I’m not optimistic that it’s going to tone down any time soon. But what I am saying is that we need to be vigilant, and Liberty Council is ready to not only educate but also to defend the line. This is a battle that we cannot lose … This is a battle that is absolutely intent on silencing biblical viewpoints.”

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RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
7/30/2012 2:23:30 PM

Hi Peter, yes Chick-Fil-A will continue to do business and I have no doubt that this will not hurt their business in the least but may even help it. They were already taking a stand for their religious convictions by not being open on Sunday which is definitely a rarity these days. We don't have one here where I live but there are some in the area in Ft Myers and Cape Coral.

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Hi Evelyn & Friends,

Well said my friend. It seems that when the liberal progressives aren't able to influence and control the people's thoughts and beliefs they go out on the rampage and attack perfectly honest and decent members of our society for daring to express their own beliefs.

Personally I think that the opposite is what's actually happening. It's not only that straight people believe that marriage is between a man and a woman they had the audacity to say it in public. It sorta reminds me that the only ones throwing their sexuality in the faces of others are the gay community (and I am not anti gay in any way matter or form). I've never heard of a "straight pride parade" but almost every city has a form of "gay pride parades".

Why is their same sex activism considered the norm now and believing marriage should only be between a man and a woman not acceptable? The answer is the progressive liberal brainwashing that is prevalent in our society and kudos to those willing to express their beliefs in public.

Chick-fil-A will continue doing business and I'm confident that all logical and sensible people regardless of political beliefs will support them and of course their right to express their own beliefs and convictions.

Shalom,

Peter

Quote:

Hello everyone, I'm sure by now most of you have heard of all the controversy with Chick-Fil-A and when I read this article today from one of my online sources decided to post it. This is not about agreeing or disagreeing with someone's sexual orientation but about losing more of our freedoms. I have my own opinion about homosexuality but I don't go around talking about it. People's sex lives are none of my business but I resent it big time when it is thrown in my face regardless of whether anyone is a homosexual or heterosexual. Regardless of anyone's sexual orientation it should be kept private behind closed doors and only shared between consenting adults and not broadcast to the whole world, it's called decency.

Mayors thrashed for talk of Chick-fil-A ban


'It should be a wake-up call to every American who believes in liberty and freedom'
by Chelsea Schilling

When Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy said he supports biblical marriage between a man and a woman – rather than homosexual marriage – several U.S. mayors threatened to ban the fast-food chain from coming to their cities.

But would such a move be legal?

Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver told WND’s Greg Corombos that city bans on Chick-fil-A would be unconstitutional.

He said this reaction proves that homosexual activists are militantly intolerant and are interested in intimidating and silencing critics rather than engaging in an actual debate.

Boycotts were called, homosexuals threatened to hold kiss-ins at Chick-fil-A restaurants and at least three big-city mayors blasted the fast-food chain: Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee.

Emanuel declared that “Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values.” Emanuel’s spokeswoman later said the mayor wouldn’t stop Chick-fil-A from opening a new restaurant.

In a letter to Cathy, Menino wrote, “There is no place for discrimination on Boston’s Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it.” Menino later said he was expressing his own opinion and couldn’t stop Chick-fil-A from coming to Boston.

Lee tweeted: “Closest (hash)ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.”

Staver said threats to ban Chick-fil-A from cities are irresponsible, and blocking a business from opening due to the personal beliefs of its leader would be discriminatory and, therefore, illegal.

“It’s a wake-up call to all of us who have biblical values and share these moral principles that natural marriage is a union of one man, one woman,” Staver said. “We’re facing a very intolerant movement that wants to silence biblical views and views on natural marriage and morality.

“Here we have the president of Chick-fil-A, a privately owned, family run business, who expresses in an interview – based upon the Bible – that natural marriage is the union of one man and one woman. As a result of that, a firestorm breaks out and you have government officials, such as the mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emanuel, and the mayor of Boston, Mayor Tom Menino, and you also have the alderman in Chicago, all of whom are saying that Chick-fil-A cannot do business in their cities – that they’re not going to allow them to have a business permit, zoning permit. They’re going to block them from having a Chick-fil-A restaurant.

“That’s absolutely outrageous, and it should be a wake-up call to every American and everyone who believes in liberty and freedom.”

Staver said the belief that marriage is a union of one man and one woman has been shared by various cultures and religions throughout history.

“It’s common sense and part of who we are as Americans and as individuals around the world,” he said. “Now Mayor Rahm Emanuel says that those values are incompatible with the values of Chicagoans. They may be incompatible with Rahm Emanuel’s values, but they’re certainly compatible with most of Chicagoans and most of America.”

He noted that many legal professionals have condemned the mayors’ threats to block Chick-fil-A from their cities.

“These statements should not be made by government officials,” he argued. “These statements are the height of discrimination, and they simply undermine the Constitution. They are absolutely uncalled for, and these individuals ought to be ashamed that they even made these kinds of statements against Chick-fil-A, Mr. Cathy or anyone else who hold those views while they were in their government position.”

Staver noted that UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has written an article saying the mayors have opened up their cities to criticism and even litigation because of their threats. He said even the ACLU condemned the statements. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg – despite his own support of same-sex marriage – said he disagrees with his fellow mayors.

Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show on WOR that it is wrong for the government “to look at somebody’s political views and decide whether or not they can live in the city, or operate a business in the city, or work for somebody in the city.”

Even Richard Socarides, a New York lawyer and former Clinton White House adviser on homosexual “rights” who is calling for a boycott of Chick-fil-A, told the Associated Press cities cannot regulate speech by denying business permits based on political beliefs.

Staver said, “Every person from left to right and anything in between – within the legal arena, law professors and public-interest organizations – has said that these are outrageous, they’re uncalled for, and they cross the line. Government officials should not censor what you’re doing, in your speech, in your private views, and therefore try to hold over you an opposition to even do business.”

Staver warned that the homosexual-marriage movement is not about “tolerance.”

“This is not about what two people want to do in the privacy of their own home,” he said. “This is an ideological clash of unprecedented proportions. There will be one winner, and there will be one loser. …

“I’m not optimistic that it’s going to tone down any time soon. But what I am saying is that we need to be vigilant, and Liberty Council is ready to not only educate but also to defend the line. This is a battle that we cannot lose … This is a battle that is absolutely intent on silencing biblical viewpoints.”

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RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
7/30/2012 10:28:45 PM

Hi Mary Evelyn and Michael,

This message may not be what you expect...

If you don't want sex-talk in public, then don't have "choice-talk" in public, whatever women decide to do with pregnancies is their own business...if you want sex to remain everyone's private business...then pregnancy issues are also private business, not anyone else's.

Also, anyone who has issues with finances or personal addictions, those were your choices all your life, every 30 seconds...don't say that life dealt you a bad hand every day, when you were the one making all your own decisions. Each person has a hand in their own bad habits, wrong choices, and not pursuing right choices for the longterm. I've heard people say that it's not their own fault that life situations caused them to be in certain bad situations...and I say, YES, it IS. Maybe LIFE dealt you half a bad hand but you dealt yourself the other half and decided not to play to win.

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RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
7/31/2012 1:43:59 AM

Hi Kathleen, you have completely missed my point. I agree with part of your post but not all of it and the part I don't agree with is your interpretation of what I meant when I posted about not wanting to know people's sexual orientation as being about sex-talk. I stand by my original comment about resenting someone throwing their sexual preference in my face, regardless of what it is and how does talking about pregnancy come into this? I'm sure by now we all know what causes a pregnancy, but come on, a pregnancy is something that can't be hidden for very long you know, pretty soon everyone knows. :) I always welcome your comments. (even if we don't always see eye to eye) Hope you're having a great week so far. :)

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Hi Mary Evelyn and Michael,

This message may not be what you expect...

If you don't want sex-talk in public, then don't have "choice-talk" in public, whatever women decide to do with pregnancies is their own business...if you want sex to remain everyone's private business...then pregnancy issues are also private business, not anyone else's.

Also, anyone who has issues with finances or personal addictions, those were your choices all your life, every 30 seconds...don't say that life dealt you a bad hand every day, when you were the one making all your own decisions. Each person has a hand in their own bad habits, wrong choices, and not pursuing right choices for the longterm. I've heard people say that it's not their own fault that life situations caused them to be in certain bad situations...and I say, YES, it IS. Maybe LIFE dealt you half a bad hand but you dealt yourself the other half and decided not to play to win.

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RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
7/31/2012 1:52:05 AM

Hi Mary Evelyn,

Your post of last week, the photo of the theater where James Holmes shot lots of people, next to an abortion clinic...

Women have tons of stress...being a pregnant alone woman is not anything that anyone would wish upon themself.

As far as homosexualism, we can't tell other people who to love or not to love. It's not just about sex, it's about being people, human beings.

This world has to stop being judgmental about women, pregnancy, homosexuality, love, and just let people be people.

Also, people shouldn't judge the owner of Chick-Fil-A for his views either.

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