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RE: Which brand of communism are you settling for? Anarcho-communism
7/29/2013 7:41:28 PM
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of Ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

Do these words still ring true or have you done a 180?


Well proverbial saying " get your boots on because the $ hit is getting deeper" Is coming more true in America all day long, for those paying attention and not just looking for more government handouts. Go ahead take those handouts sell your Freedom and liberty for you're vote a handful of foodstamps.

RFID Chip Now Being Issued In Hanna, Wyoming As Part Of New “Obamacare” Plan

RFID Chip Technical Info

Here We Can See The Size And Shape Of The Exciting New RFID Chip

By Jane M. Agni

<NationalReport>The “Obamacare” RFID chips are currently being given a test run on the proud and patriotic citizens of Hanna, Wyoming.

Over the last two weeks a special piece of legislation has been passed making it mandatory for anyone who receives welfare, or any other form of government assistance to be implanted with these new identification chips. Even select government employees and officials have been ordered to receive the new sub-dermal device, which is typically implanted in the fatty tissue of the individual’s buttock. Police officers, military, even garbage men will all be required to have the RFID chip by the end of next month or face termination from their jobs.

During the beta testing stage of this amazing new technological development, many news outlets have remained silent waiting to see how the trial pans out before reporting on the subject. National Report, always on the cutting edge, sent me on location to Hanna, Wyoming to speak with some of the towns folk and gather their opinions and experiences regarding their newly acquired RFID chips.

Tammy Josephine Laurence, a single mother of three who is currently accepting housing assistance got her chip implanted just hours before we had a chance to sit down and speak with her. She had the following to say:

RFID Chip Sketch

Preliminary Sketches Of What Later Came To Be Known As The RFID Chip

“Well, they said I better do this, or they was gonna cut the welfare. I’m a full time single mother. I got three young kids that need me at all hours and ain’t no man to help. I didn’t have no choice…”

When asked if the procedure was invasive she informed us that it was “a little like giving blood” and that she felt “tired after getting the implant” which apparently is a common but benign side effect.

I also spoke with Hanna, Wyoming’s Mayor Ted Howell, whose full support of the RFID chip made it mandatory for the citizens of his small community. Leading by example he was the first recipient of the RFID chip , having it implanted publicly at a recent town hall meeting. “This is change for a better, safer America” he said while undergoing the ten minute procedure. “With this scientific advancement, the terrorists do not stand a chance… USA will prevail…”

The ordinance has had some opposition, however, as several of the local churches have spoke out against the chips with protests. These fringe apocalyptic churches believe Obama to be the anti-Christ and claim the RFID chip is the Mark Of The Beast written about in their Book Of Revelations. They site the RFID chip’s supposed serial number of 131618 as corresponding with Revelations 13:16-18. Of course, rural superstitions ultimately have no sway when it comes to the progressive new America and their scripture laden outcries have largely been ignored.

This journalist embraces the new change, and even got her very own RFID chip before heading back to the National Report’s home offices. The surgery was quick, simple and more or less painless. I can barely tell I’ve been implanted at all. A sacrifice I’ve gladly made for my country’s national security and hope you will too.

- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/rfid-chip-now-being-issued-in-hanna-wyoming-as-part-of-new-obamacare-plan/#sthash.IicXR3Ce.dpuf

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RE: Which brand of communism are you settling for? Anarcho-communism
7/29/2013 8:18:26 PM
Quote:
Quote:

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of Ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

Do these words still ring true or have you done a 180?


Well proverbial saying " get your boots on because the $ hit is getting deeper" Is coming more true in America all day long, for those paying attention and not just looking for more government handouts. Go ahead take those handouts sell your Freedom and liberty for you're vote a handful of foodstamps.

RFID Chip Now Being Issued In Hanna, Wyoming As Part Of New “Obamacare” Plan

RFID Chip Technical Info

Here We Can See The Size And Shape Of The Exciting New RFID Chip

By Jane M. Agni

<NationalReport>The “Obamacare” RFID chips are currently being given a test run on the proud and patriotic citizens of Hanna, Wyoming.

Over the last two weeks a special piece of legislation has been passed making it mandatory for anyone who receives welfare, or any other form of government assistance to be implanted with these new identification chips. Even select government employees and officials have been ordered to receive the new sub-dermal device, which is typically implanted in the fatty tissue of the individual’s buttock. Police officers, military, even garbage men will all be required to have the RFID chip by the end of next month or face termination from their jobs.

During the beta testing stage of this amazing new technological development, many news outlets have remained silent waiting to see how the trial pans out before reporting on the subject. National Report, always on the cutting edge, sent me on location to Hanna, Wyoming to speak with some of the towns folk and gather their opinions and experiences regarding their newly acquired RFID chips.

Tammy Josephine Laurence, a single mother of three who is currently accepting housing assistance got her chip implanted just hours before we had a chance to sit down and speak with her. She had the following to say:

RFID Chip Sketch

Preliminary Sketches Of What Later Came To Be Known As The RFID Chip

“Well, they said I better do this, or they was gonna cut the welfare. I’m a full time single mother. I got three young kids that need me at all hours and ain’t no man to help. I didn’t have no choice…”

When asked if the procedure was invasive she informed us that it was “a little like giving blood” and that she felt “tired after getting the implant” which apparently is a common but benign side effect.

I also spoke with Hanna, Wyoming’s Mayor Ted Howell, whose full support of the RFID chip made it mandatory for the citizens of his small community. Leading by example he was the first recipient of the RFID chip , having it implanted publicly at a recent town hall meeting. “This is change for a better, safer America” he said while undergoing the ten minute procedure. “With this scientific advancement, the terrorists do not stand a chance… USA will prevail…”

The ordinance has had some opposition, however, as several of the local churches have spoke out against the chips with protests. These fringe apocalyptic churches believe Obama to be the anti-Christ and claim the RFID chip is the Mark Of The Beast written about in their Book Of Revelations. They site the RFID chip’s supposed serial number of 131618 as corresponding with Revelations 13:16-18. Of course, rural superstitions ultimately have no sway when it comes to the progressive new America and their scripture laden outcries have largely been ignored.

This journalist embraces the new change, and even got her very own RFID chip before heading back to the National Report’s home offices. The surgery was quick, simple and more or less painless. I can barely tell I’ve been implanted at all. A sacrifice I’ve gladly made for my country’s national security and hope you will too.

- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/rfid-chip-now-being-issued-in-hanna-wyoming-as-part-of-new-obamacare-plan/#sthash.IicXR3Ce.dpuf


Well according to SNOPES which is also an agenda driven website says this is a farce. Then why the trials? I ask. Since no one has read and seen completely how this farce of a government plans to dole out favoritism to its supporters. The full effect of this Radically Stupid piece of legislation and law has yet to be seen. I say STOP IT NOW!!!

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7/29/2013 8:24:57 PM


CBS, NBC Acknowledge ObamaCare Approval At All-Time Low; ABC Skips

On Wednesday's CBS This Morning, Norah O'Donnell zeroed in on her network's latest poll that found that "more Americans than ever want the health care law repealed." However, she tried to explain it away by asserting that the public just needed to be educated: "This is the same problem the White House has faced from the very beginning about a lack of understanding about what is involved in ObamaCare." In the CBS News poll, 54 percent disapprove of ObamaCare.

NBC's Chuck Todd also briefly noted at an end of a report that an "all-time record low of people in our poll thinks his health care law is a good idea – just 34 percent" on Wednesday's NBC Nightly News. However, ABC has yet to report on their latest poll on ObamaCare on their morning and evening newscasts.

O'Donnell mentioned the recent poll figure near the end of a segment with CBS News political director John Dickerson. An on-screen graphic backed up the anchor's "lack of understanding" claim about the Affordable Care Act: "Health Care Confusion: CBS News Poll: Americans Remain Skeptical". She wondered "what's the White House doing" with regard to the controversial law.

Dickerson replied that "this is another chronic issue", and continued by outlining the Obama administration's push:

JOHN DICKERSON: ...[T]here's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans. And so, they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign – reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign – to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges. And the – the feeling basically is, again, speeches aren't going to change public opinion. This has got to start taking hold. People have been – start signing up, and the White House hopes good things will start to happen once it kicks in, and that might turn around public opinion. But that's a ways away.

Just before ending the segment, another graphic pointed out another figure from the CBS News poll – that only 13 percent of those polled think ObamaCare will help them, and almost three times that number – 38 percent – think the law will hurt them.

Wednesday's NBC Nightly News failed to put up an accompanying graphic when Todd cited the 34 percent approval rating for ObamaCare. The evening newscast did put up chyrons on the all-time low approval rating of Congress; President Obama's lowest approval rating in two years; what Americans think about the direction of the country; how people rate Republicans on their relationship with President Obama; and how effective people rate President Obama regarding the final years of his second term.

ABC News/Washington Post released their latest poll results on Wednesday as well, but as of Thursday morning, they have yet to detail them on the air. That poll found that 49 percent oppose ObamaCare and 42 percent support it. Forty-eight percent also think the law is "so flawed it should be dropped".

The transcripts of the John Dickerson segment from Wednesday's CBS This Morning and the Chuck Todd report from Wednesday's NBC Nightly News:

07/25/2013
07:07 am EDT
CBS This Morning

NORAH O'DONNELL: President Obama kicks off a campaign-style tour today. He's pushing his economic policies – his first stop Galesburg, Illinois. The President will give what is being billed as a major economic address.

[CBS News Graphic: "Economic Worries: CBS News Poll: Six In Ten Say Economy In Bad Shape"]

CHARLIE ROSE: A CBS News poll out this morning shows Americans are not feeling good about the economy. Thirty-seven percent rate it as good; 61 percent say it's bad.

CBS News political director John Dickerson is in Washington. John, good morning.

[CBS News Graphic: "Rate The National Economy: Good, 37%; Bad, 61%; Source: CBS News Poll; Margin of Error: +/- 3% Pts."]

JOHN DICKERSON: Good morning, Charlie.

ROSE: So, what does the President hope to accomplish by reaching back to earlier themes about inequality, as well as facing some very tough possibilities in Congress on the debt ceiling and sequestration?

DICKERSON: Well, it's that fight on the debt ceiling and sequestration. We've been given a little break from those chronic fights that we've had. Remember, we seem to have one every month or so. Well, they're coming back in the fall, and what the President is trying to do here is seize the initiative – set the terms of that debate. Again, we've seen that time and time again in this presidency. But, to the extent there's going to be a showdown over the budget, he wants to try to argue it on his terms. The – the themes will be familiar, and at the center of – of the President's themes will be the middle class – what he thinks should be done to improve the situation for the middle class, which will lead to economic growth, which will help the economy.

[CBS News Graphic: "Rate The National Economy: July 2013: Good, 37%; Bad, 61%; July 2012: Good, 27%; Bad, 71%; Source: CBS News Poll; Margin of Error: +/- 3% Pts."]

ROSE: So, they're putting lot of emphasis on these speeches and trying to redefine the debate. But, in fact, they're old arguments – nothing new.

DICKERSON: Oh, indeed. They're – they're very old arguments. Now, the White House would say, yes, they're the solutions we've been pushing for years, but we're fighting with a Congress – particularly Republicans – who don't want to meet us halfway. And so, don't – they would say – I guess they're focused on the fact there's nothing new here. But the problem for the President is – is that people – he's tried this time and again.

Remember, he's made this the centerpiece of his campaign – of State of the Union addresses. So, it is an old fight, and the question is, will it be moved by public speeches, or is it really about the negotiations in Washington and working with those Republicans? And that's not going to be changed by a public relations campaign.

[CBS News Graphic: "Health Care Confusion: CBS News Poll: Americans Remain Skeptical"]

O'DONNELL: John, we also found in our new poll that more Americans than ever want the health care law repealed, and a majority are confused about it. This is the same problem the White House has faced from the very beginning about a lack of understanding about what is involved in ObamaCare, and I think many people may not even know the mandate for having insurance is October 1. What's the White House doing?

[CBS News Graphic: "What Should Congress Do About Health Care Law? Expand Or Keep, 36%; Repeal, 39%; View Of Health Care Law: Approve, 36%; Disapprove, 54%; Don't know, 10%; Source: CBS News Poll; Margin of Error: +/- 3% Pts."]

DICKERSON: Right. This is another chronic issue. You know, the White House is trying – there's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans. And so, they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign – reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign – to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges. And the – the feeling basically is, again, speeches aren't going to change public opinion. This has got to start taking hold. People have been – start signing up, and the White House hopes good things will start to happen once it kicks in, and that might turn around public opinion. But that's a ways away.

[CBS News Graphic: "Health Care Law Will Personally...: Help Me, 13%; Hurt Me, 38%; Source: CBS News Poll; Margin of Error: +/- 3% Pts."]

O'DONNELL: John Dickerson, thank you.


07/24/2013
07:01 am EDT
NBC Nightly News

BRIAN WILLIAMS: The news tonight isn't so much that Americans are fed up with Washington and disapprove of the job Congress is doing. Sadly, that's pretty much been a constant of late. But it is news that our discontent has now set an all-time record.

Our new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows some numbers not seen in the history of polling. Eighty-three percent of us now disapprove of Congress. The President is riding a 45 percent approval – his lowest number, notably, since two summers ago. It, perhaps, fueled his trip to Illinois, and then, Missouri today. In places like that, it's a whole lot easier to distance yourself from Washington.

[NBC News Graphic: "NBC News/ The Wall Street Journal, July 17-21, 2013; Congress: Approve, 12%; Disapprove, 83%; President Obama Job Approval: Approve, 45%; Disapprove, 51%; MOE: +/- 3.1%"]

Our chief White House correspondent, political director Chuck Todd here with us in our studios in New York tonight with all of it. Chuck, good evening.

CHUCK TODD: Brian, that's exactly what this is. When presidents are in trouble and things aren't going well in Washington, they do one thing: they get out of Washington. And the President here trying to channel the public's anger and try to reconnect with it – a public that seems to be slowly disconnecting from him.

TODD (voice-over): President Obama traveled to Galesburg, Illinois, in an attempt to re-energize his presidency, and demonstrate to the public he's focused on trying to speed up the economic recovery.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Today, five years after the start of that great recession, America has fought its way back.

TODD: Yet, in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, just 29 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction – near a two-year low. A growing majority believes the country is on the wrong track. The President acknowledged during this recovery, the middle class is stagnating.

[NBC News Graphic: "NBC News/ The Wall Street Journal, July 17-21, 2013; Direction Of The Country: Right Direction, 29%; Wrong Track, 61%; MOE: +/- 3.1%"]

OBAMA: Even though our businesses are creating new jobs and have broken record profits, nearly all the income gains of the past ten years have continued to flow to the top one percent.

TODD: While unemployment has fallen during his presidency, from a high of 10 percent to 7.6 percent today, these folks at a Florida jobs fair this week are still frustrated.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN 1: You can send out a hundred resumes and you never get a response. There are still many people out there looking for job.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN 2: Right now, it's terrible. It's – it's really terrible. You can do a lot better.

TODD: Back in Illinois, the President's talk wasn't just all about the economy. He also blamed Republicans in Congress for obstructing his agenda and constantly trying to repeal his signature health care law.

OBAMA: Stop taking meaningless repeal votes and share your concrete ideas with the country. (audience applauds)

TODD: On this point, the public agrees with the President. Fifty-six percent called congressional Republicans 'too inflexible' when dealing with the President. Only 19 percent believe they are striking the right balance.

[NBC News Graphic: "NBC News/ The Wall Street Journal, July 17-21, 2013; Republicans And The President: "Too Inflexible", 56%; "Too Quick To Give In", 18%; "Right Balance", 19%; MOE: +/- 3.1%"]

Still, the public is not very optimistic about the President's second term. Just 43 percent think he can be effective. A majority – 53 percent – believe he won't be able to get much done. But the President pledged to try.

[NBC News Graphic: "NBC News/ The Wall Street Journal, July 17-21, 2013; President's Last Three Years: Can Be Effective, 43%; Won't Get Much Done, 53%; MOE: +/- 3.1%"]

OBAMA: The only thing I care about is how to use every minute of the remaining 1,276 days of my term to make this country work for working Americans again. (audience cheers and applauds)

TODD (on-camera): And, you know, Brian, one of his big challenges in the next six months is implementing health care. And right now, all-time record low of people in our poll thinks his health care is – law is a good idea – just 34 percent – so he's got a lot of challenges on his plate.

WILLIAMS: Chuck Todd covering it all here with us in our New York studios. Chuck, thanks.

— Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center. You can follow him on Twitterhere.


http://mrc.org/biasalerts/cbs-nbc-acknowledge-obamacare-approval-all-time-low-abc-skips

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    Don't Cry For Me ..................... Detroit,

    Coming soon to a city near you.


    (Frosty Wooldridge (born 1947) is a US journalist, writer, environmentalist, traveler)

    DETROIT
    By Frosty Wooldridge
    For 15 years, from the mid 1970's to 1990, I worked in Detroit , Michigan . I watched it descend into the abyss of crime, debauchery, gunplay, drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs and human depravity. I watched entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on buildings, cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash everywhere!

    Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it, and ignored it. Tens of thousands, and then hundreds of thousands today exist on federal welfare, free housing, and food stamps!

    With Aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed eight to 10, and in one case, one woman birthed 24 children as reported by the Detroit Free Press, all on American taxpayer dollars.

    A new child meant a new car payment, new TV, and whatever mom wanted. I saw Lyndon Baines Johnson's 'Great Society' flourish in Detroit . If you give money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out taking money for doing nothing.

    Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America , outside of Richard Daley in Chicago , rode Detroit down to its knees... He set the benchmark for cronyism, incompetence, and arrogance. As a black man, he said, "I am the MFIC." The IC meant "in charge". You can figure out the rest.Â

    Detroit became a majority black city with 67 percent African-Americans.

    As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching math and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van for a new life in another city or state.

    Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At the same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city for the free government handouts, so much so, that Muslims number over 300,000. Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan, but most work in Detroit . As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in.

    As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally, unlawful Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much shoplifting that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city locations. You could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may be one of our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike, and total separation from America ..

    Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan , paid for by Saudi Arabian oil money. High school flunk-out rates reached 76 percent last June, according to NBC's Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America .. English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing.

    Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in 2009 as the auto industry vacated the city. In Time Magazine on October 4, 2009, "The Tragedy of Detroit : How a great city fell, and how it can rise again," I choked on the writer's description of what happened. "If Detroit had been ravaged by a hurricane, and submerged by a ravenous flood, we'd know a lot more about it," said Daniel Okrent. "If drought and carelessness had spread brush fires across the city, we'd see it on the evening news every night." Earthquake, tornadoes, you name it, if natural disaster had devastated the city that was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the country might take notice.

    But Detroit , once our fourth largest city, now 11th and slipping rapidly, has had no such luck. Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove it from the rest of the country.

    Even the death rattle that in the past year emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the auto executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long been victimized by their dreadful decision making."

    As Coleman Young's corruption brought the city to its knees, no amount of federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kickbacks and illegality permeating his administration. I witnessed the city's death from the seat of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of every sector of decaying Detroit .

    "By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support. Detroit 's treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the barest municipal services," Okrent said. "The school system, which six years ago was compelled by the teachers' union to reject a philanthropist's offer of $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools, is in receivership. The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans , unemployment in that city hit a peak of 11%. In Detroit today, the unemployment rate is 28.9%. That's worth spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent.

    At the end of Okrent's report, and he will write a dozen more about Detroit, he said, "That's because the story of Detroit is not simply one of a great city's collapse, it's also about the erosion of the industries that helped build the country we know today. The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century.

    If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about Americas fut ure?"

    As you read in my book review of Chris Steiner's book,"$20 Per Gallon", the auto industry won't come back. Immigration will keep pouring more and more uneducated third world immigrants from the Middle East into Detroit , thus creating a beachhead for Islamic hegemony in America . If 50 percent illiteracy continues, we will see more home-grown terrorists spawned out of the Muslim ghettos of Detroit . Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs.

    You have already seen it in Madrid , Spain , London , England , and Paris , France with train bombings, subway bombings and riots. As their numbers grow, so will their power to enact their barbaric Sharia Law that negates republican forms of government, first amendment rights, and subjugates women to the lowest rungs on the human ladder. We will see more honor killings by upset husbands, fathers and brothers that demand subjugation by their daughters, sisters and wives. Muslims prefer beheadings of women to scare the hell out of any other members of their sect from straying. Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill our language, culture, country and way of life.

    I PRAY EVERYONE WHO READS THIS REALIZES THAT IF WE DON'T STAND UP AND SCREAM AT WASHINGTON , AND OUR STATE, CITY AND LOCAL LEADERS, THIS IS WHAT AWAITS THE REST OF AMERICA . IF YOU THINK MEXICANS AND MUSLIMS AND OTHER FORIEGNERS WILL EVENTUALLY FIT RIGHT IN THEN YOU ARE AS BIG A PART OF THE PROBLEM AS THEY ARE.

    IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF HOOEY AND YOU FEEL NO DUTY TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEN I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO STAND AND FIGHT ?

    IF YOU LOVE AMERICA , PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG..

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7/30/2013 12:23:46 AM

Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords

Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords

Jul 26, 2013

Via C|NET |

Secret demands mark escalation in Internet surveillance by the federal government through gaining access to user passwords, which are typically stored in encrypted form.

The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users’ stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.

If the government is able to determine a person’s password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.

“I’ve certainly seen them ask for passwords,” said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. “We push back.”

A second person who has worked at a large Silicon Valley company confirmed that it received legal requests from the federal government for stored passwords. Companies “really heavily scrutinize” these requests, the person said. “There’s a lot of ‘over my dead body.’”

Some of the government orders demand not only a user’s password but also the encryption algorithm and the so-called salt, according to a person familiar with the requests. A salt is a random string of letters or numbers used to make it more difficult to reverse the encryption process and determine the original password. Other orders demand the secret question codes often associated with user accounts.

“This is one of those unanswered legal questions: Is there any circumstance under which they could get password information?”
–Jennifer Granick, Stanford University

A Microsoft spokesperson would not say whether the company has received such requests from the government. But when asked whether Microsoft would divulge passwords, salts, or algorithms, the spokesperson replied: “No, we don’t, and we can’t see a circumstance in which we would provide it.”

Google also declined to disclose whether it had received requests for those types of data. But a spokesperson said the company has “never” turned over a user’s encrypted password, and that it has a legal team that frequently pushes back against requests that are fishing expeditions or are otherwise problematic. “We take the privacy and security of our users very seriously,” the spokesperson said.

Apple, Yahoo, Facebook, AOL, Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner Cable, and Comcast did not respond to queries about whether they have received requests for users’ passwords and how they would respond to them.

Richard Lovejoy, a director of the Opera Software subsidiary that operates FastMail, said he doesn’t recall receiving any such requests but that the company still has a relatively small number of users compared with its larger rivals. Because of that, he said, “we don’t get a high volume” of U.S. government demands.

The FBI declined to comment.

Some details remain unclear, including when the requests began and whether the government demands are always targeted at individuals or seek entire password database dumps. The Patriot Act has been used to demand entire database dumps of phone call logs, and critics have suggested its use is broader. “The authority of the government is essentially limitless” under that law, Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who serves on the Senate Intelligence committee, said at a Washington event this week.

Large Internet companies have resisted the government’s requests by arguing that “you don’t have the right to operate the account as a person,” according to a person familiar with the issue. “I don’t know what happens when the government goes to smaller providers and demands user passwords,” the person said.

An attorney who represents Internet companies said he has not fielded government password requests, but “we’ve certainly had reset requests — if you have the device in your possession, than a password reset is the easier way.”

Source code to a C implementation of bcrypt, a popular algorithm used for password hashing.
Source code to a C implementation of bcrypt, a popular algorithm used for password hashing.(Credit: Photo by Declan McCullagh)

Cracking the codes
Even if the National Security Agency or the FBI successfully obtains an encrypted password, salt, and details about the algorithm used, unearthing a user’s original password is hardly guaranteed. The odds of success depend in large part on two factors: the type of algorithm and the complexity of the password.

Algorithms, known as hash functions, that are viewed as suitable for scrambling stored passwords are designed to be difficult to reverse. One popular hash function called MD5, for instance, transforms the phrase “National Security Agency” into this string of seemingly random characters: 84bd1c27b26f7be85b2742817bb8d43b. Computer scientists believe that, if a hash function is well-designed, the original phrase cannot be derived from the output.

But modern computers, especially ones equipped with high-performance video cards, can test passwords scrambled with MD5 and other well-known hash algorithms at the rate of billions a second. One system using 25 Radeon-powered GPUs that was demonstrated at a conference last December tested 348 billion hashes per second, meaning it would crack a 14-character Windows XP password in six minutes.

The best practice among Silicon Valley companies is to adopt far slower hash algorithms — designed to take a large fraction of a second to scramble a password — that have been intentionally crafted to make it more difficult and expensive for the NSA and other attackers to test every possible combination.

One popular algorithm, used by Twitter and LinkedIn, is called bcrypt. A 2009 paper (PDF) by computer scientist Colin Percival estimated that it would cost a mere $4 to crack, in an average of one year, an 8-character bcrypt password composed only of letters. To do it in an average of one day, the hardware cost would jump to approximately $1,500.

But if a password of the same length included numbers, asterisks, punctuation marks, and other special characters, the cost-per-year leaps to $130,000. Increasing the length to any 10 characters, Percival estimated in 2009, brings the estimated cracking cost to a staggering $1.2 billion.

As computers have become more powerful, the cost of cracking bcrypt passwords has decreased. “I’d say as a rough ballpark, the current cost would be around 1/20th of the numbers I have in my paper,” said Percival, who founded a company called Tarsnap Backup, which offers “online backups for the truly paranoid.” Percival added that a government agency would likely use ASICs — application-specific integrated circuits — for password cracking because it’s “the most cost-efficient — at large scale — approach.”

While developing Tarsnap, Percival devised an algorithm called scrypt, which he estimates can make the “cost of a hardware brute-force attack” against a hashed password as much as 4,000 times greater than bcrypt.

Bcrypt was introduced (PDF) at a 1999 Usenix conference by Niels Provos, currently a distinguished engineer in Google’s infrastructure group, and David Mazières, an associate professor of computer science at Stanford University.

With the computers available today, “bcrypt won’t pipeline very well in hardware,” Mazières said, so it would “still be very expensive to do widespread cracking.”

Even if “the NSA is asking for access to hashed bcrypt passwords,” Mazières said, “that doesn’t necessarily mean they are cracking them.” Easier approaches, he said, include an order to extract them from the server or network when the user logs in — which has been done before – or installing a keylogger at the client.

Sen. Ron Wyden, who warned this week that &#34;the authority of the government is essentially limitless&#34; under the Patriot Act&#39;s business records provision.Sen. Ron Wyden, who warned this week that “the authority of the government is essentially limitless” under the Patriot Act’s business records provision.(Credit: Getty Images)

Questions of law
Whether the National Security Agency or FBI has the legal authority to demand that an Internet company divulge a hashed password, salt, and algorithm remains murky.

“This is one of those unanswered legal questions: Is there any circumstance under which they could get password information?” said Jennifer Granick, director of civil liberties at Stanford University’s Center for Internet and Society. “I don’t know.”

Granick said she’s not aware of any precedent for an Internet company “to provide passwords, encrypted or otherwise, or password algorithms to the government — for the government to crack passwords and use them unsupervised.” If the password will be used to log in to the account, she said, that’s “prospective surveillance,” which would require a wiretap order or Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act order.

If the government can subsequently determine the password, “there’s a concern that the provider is enabling unauthorized access to the user’s account if they do that,” Granick said. That could, she said, raise legal issues under the Stored Communications Act and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

The Justice Department has argued in court proceedings before that it has broad legal authority to obtain passwords. In 2011, for instance, federal prosecutors sent a grand jury subpoena demanding the password that would unlock files encrypted with the TrueCrypt utility.

The Florida man who received the subpoena claimed the Fifth Amendment, which protects his right to avoid self-incrimination, allowed him to refuse the prosecutors’ demand. In February 2012, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit agreed, saying that because prosecutors could bring a criminal prosecution against him based on the contents of the decrypted files, the man “could not be compelled to decrypt the drives.”

In January 2012, a federal district judge in Colorado reached the opposite conclusion, ruling that a criminal defendant could be compelled under the All Writs Act to type in the password that would unlock a Toshiba Satellite laptop.

Both of those cases, however, deal with criminal proceedings when the password holder is the target of an investigation — and don’t address when a hashed password is stored on the servers of a company that’s an innocent third party.

“If you can figure out someone’s password, you have the ability to reuse the account,” which raises significant privacy concerns, said Seth Schoen, a senior staff technologist at theElectronic Frontier Foundation.

Last updated at 12:47 p.m. PT

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Jim Allen III
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