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Luis Miguel Goitizolo

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RE: ARE WE NOW IN THE END TIMES?
9/6/2014 1:11:31 AM

Joyce, I have never read any comment or article that sums up the nature and acts of those in power as deeply and widely as you just have in your post. Not bad at all for someone with a point of view as naive as you pretend to have, lol.

By comparison, I am a five year old boy playing the adult man.

Now seriously, I hope I am not stoking your ego if I say your paragraph on wars being currently fought for the benefit of those in power describes exactly what their real nature is at present. Only perversity seems to be more prevalent than stupidity when politicians decide or act even when the lives of hundreds and thousands of humans are on the stake. But then, their perversity is stoked by their greed and egos. I guess temptations run so high that they cannot but play the demons' part in the current world arena.


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RE: ARE WE NOW IN THE END TIMES?
9/6/2014 1:21:13 AM

NATO allies agree to take on Islamic State threat

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President Barack Obama speaks at a news conference at the NATO summit at Celtic Manor, Newport, Wales, Friday, Sept. 5, 2014. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)



NEWPORT, Wales (AP) — The U.S. and key allies agreed Friday that the Islamic State group is a significant threat to NATO countries and that they will take on the militants by squeezing their financial resources and going after them with military might.

With the Islamic State militants spreading across eastern Syria and northern and western Iraq, President Barack Obama noted that the moderate Syrian rebels fighting both the group and the government of Bashar Assad are "outgunned and outmanned." In addition to the action pledged by fellow NATO leaders, he pressed Arab allies to reject the "nihilism" projected by the group..

The new NATO coalition will be able to mount a sustained effort to push back the militants, Obama said. The U.S. secretaries of State and Defense, meeting with their counterparts at the international gathering, insisted the Western nations build a plan by the time the U.N. General Assembly meets this month.

"I did not get any resistance or pushback to the basic notion that we have a critical role to play in rolling back this savage organization that is causing so much chaos in the region and is harming so many people and poses a long-term threat to the safety and security of NATO members," Obama said at the summit conclusion. "So there's great conviction that we have to act, as part of the international community, to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL, and that was extremely encouraging."

Laying out a strategy for Iraq, Obama hinted at a broader military campaign, likening it to the way U.S. forces pushed back al-Qaida along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, taking out the group's leadership, shrinking its territory and pounding at its militant followers. To do that, the U.S. used persistent airstrikes, usually by CIA drones.

So far, U.S. airstrikes in Iraq have been largely limited to helping Kurdish forces and protecting refugees. But Obama has set a goal of dismantling and destroying the Islamic State, and said Friday that the U.S. will continue to hunt down the militants just as it did with al-Qaida and with al-Shabab in Somalia.

Secretary of State John Kerry heads to the Middle East next week, and he expects to expand the coalition beyond Western nations.

Said Obama: "I think it is absolutely critical that we have Arab states and specifically Sunni-majority states that are rejecting the kind of extremist nihilism that we're seeing out of ISIL, that say that is not what Islam is about and are prepared to join us actively in the fight."

The Islamic State group espouses a radical form of Sunni Islam and initially invaded Iraq to fight its Shiite government.

"What we can accomplish is to dismantle this network, this force that has claimed to control this much territory, so that they can't do us harm," Obama said. He added that U.S. ground troops in Syria are not needed to accomplish the goal, but instead can work with moderate partners on the ground in the country.

"They have been, to some degree, outgunned and outmanned. And that's why it's important for us to work with our friends and allies to support them more effectively," Obama said.

In a meeting with the foreign and defense ministers from the coalition countries, Kerry said leaders need a clear idea about what each country will contribute to the fight. And, while noting that many won't be willing to engage in military strikes, he said they can instead provide intelligence, equipment, ammunition or weapons.

"We very much hope that people will be as declarative as some of our friends around the table have been in order to be clear about what they're willing to commit, because we must be able to have a plan together by the time we come to (the United Nations General Assembly)," said Kerry. "We need to have this coalesce."

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, sitting alongside Kerry, said the group forms a loose coalition that will be needed to face the insurgent challenge. He said the group can then be expanded. Along with the United States, the coalition comprises the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Germany, Canada, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark.

Later, French President Francois Hollande said France was discussing with allies what type of action might be taken. "France is ready to act, but once the political accord is there and in respect to international law," Hollande said.

A senior Obama administration official said Thursday that the U.S. wanted to establish a credible ground force in Syria by training more moderate rebels before taking military action there. A $500 million request is pending in Congress.

One prong of a Western coalition approach would be for the nations' law enforcement and intelligence agencies to work together to go after the Islamic State's financing — both in banks and more informal funding networks. But as long as the Islamic State has access to millions of dollars a month in oil revenue, it will remain well-funded, U.S. intelligence officials say.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said NATO has agreed to help coordinate assistance to Iraq. And he said NATO would consider putting together a mission to train and increase the capabilities of the Iraqi forces. NATO did training during the Iraq war.

NATO also agreed to increase cooperation among nations on sharing information about foreign fighters. A number of nations, including the U.S., have noted that radicalized citizens have been traveling to Syria and Iraq to fight, raising alarms that they could return to their home countries and launch attacks.

Denmark's Foreign Minister Martin Lidegaard said the effort against the militants "is not only about a military effort, it is also about stopping the financial contributions to ISIS, to coordinate intelligence, it is about stopping foreign fighters, young people from our own societies. It is decisive that we get more countries along."

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Associated Press writers Ken Dilanian in Washington, Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark, and John-Thor Dahlburg in Wales contributed to this report.






The president wants a coalition that uses military power, diplomatic pressure, and economic penalties.
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Joyce Parker Hyde

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RE: ARE WE NOW IN THE END TIMES?
9/6/2014 1:28:59 AM
This reminds me of my most hated movie of all time "Troy" starring Brad Pitt.
The pivotal scene has the whomever Brad was fighting with (does it really matter?) firing thousands of spears onto the city of Troy-killing thousand of citizens who were going about their daily business cooking cleaning playing with kids-only to find out as they are slaughtered "Oh we must be at war! Cause we are dying!"
The reason -some high faluting guy who had the money to do so wanted to go get some unfaithful woman -Helen for his own.
That makes about as much sense as any of the other reasons they come up with.
So in truth it goes all the way back to Cain and Abel taking life for a stupid reason and dragging everybody else along for the ride.
And if anybody survives-they will make a movie about it.
Good night sweet prince:)
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RE: ARE WE NOW IN THE END TIMES?
9/6/2014 1:31:15 AM
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Miguel, I am not political and I know that my point of view is often naive and comes from a place of 'how it ought to be'.
Wars are never fought for the benefit of the people fighting them but always (it seems to me) for the benefit of those who will profit and fill their coffers or stoke their egos.
My world view is somewhat limited so I base my remarks on what I see here in the states and it just seems like the ideal that was America has been lost.
Politicians are no longer statesmen working for the good of the country but only for the next election so they say what their constituents want to hear them say-even if they have to make it up.
In my short time of awareness, I have seen that very few men who have held the office of president have been good at both foreign and domestic policy. They used to be able to depend on their congress to help in areas where they fell short.
Having endured a government willing to shut down completely in order to make the president fail rather than co-operate to move the country forward it is like sitting in a boat watching one party shoot holes in the bottom and watching all of if sink to unrecoverable depths.
I can only surmise that this is what is going on on a world wide scale and just wish that people would wake up and decide that this isn't working for anybody.
I don't know the politics of any of it but I suspect that neither do the people in charge.

I am exceptionally happy that there is an undercurrent of peace and love that survives in some of us in spite if all of that.


Joyce and Miguel,

Joyce, you just know what is going on, but
Just remember there is so many things being played out here. It is good verses evil and the good will win, just hang in there the good times are coming.
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RE: ARE WE NOW IN THE END TIMES?
9/6/2014 1:46:25 AM
Today heard the news the Iran (forever enemy of US, really? ) has signed a contact with US to help them fighting against ISIS. Really tough time coming for ISIS :)
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