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This is an invasion of privacy and selling that information on an open market could even be dangerous, for some of us, that do not keep our opinions to ourselves. Also we all were upset when we learned the DMV was doing the exact same thing, with our private and personal information!

Simply Said and No one could have said it Better,  I Fully agree with you Jim!! 

Very Good Choice of Words!

Have a Great Day to You and Yours

Flash

Well guys and gals, I have to play the Devil's Advocate on this one. When I first saw this deal, the whole Big Brother thing immediately popped into my head as well, and nobody hates Big Government more that I.

But then I thought about it and wondered, "just what kind of information am I giving them?". The DMV already knows where you live, what kind of car you drive, what your social security number is, how old you are, etc. That kind of information can certainly be used in nefarious ways against us, I suppose...if they wanted to. But what kind of new information would I be supplying to them that they don't already have by recording a license plate number? Basically I'm telling them that I saw this car, at such and such a place, at this time, on this date. Now to most of us law-abiding citizens, this wouldn't make a bit of difference. Why would I care if the "powers that be" know that I was at the grocery store at 3pm last Tuesday? Any cop cruising the parking lot could randomly run my tag and get that same info. Now I suppose it could be a little embarrassing if my car got tagged in front of the porn theater in the middle of the afternoon, but I digress.

The fact of the matter is that a database of license plates is worthless to anyone other than those entities that can cross-reference it with other databases that have more useful information concerning us already. The Government already knows when you buy an airline ticket, use your credit card, cross a border, buy a gun, etc. They don't need to know where your car was on a given day to know any of that. Again, I'm assuming that you are an upstanding citizen that obeys the law.

Now if we take a criminal for consideration---someone who has been kidnapping, molesting, and killing young girls for instance---how easy is it for them to track these people? Lets say they even know who the guy is, that he is from Texas and lives at such and such a place...he has a Chase Manhattan Visa card, and drives a white Ford van with the license plate number ABC 123. He was last seen in the Dallas area 6 months ago...when his first victim went missing. Well his tag number and vehicle description would be added to the enormous list of other vehicles that are being sought, but since he isn't even in Texas anymore, the odds of some random police officer actually spotting him are pretty slim. Now he has managed to travel half way across the country, and has claimed another 8 victims in 5 different states. Over 2,000 children under the age of 18 go missing every day. Since 1997, the Amber Alert Sysytem, (where people actively look for license tags that are wanted), have only been responsible for the recovery of 492 of them.

But if they had a database like the one DNA is building, they could quite possibly find that this guy's car was seen in Tampa, Florida yesterday at the local Pigley Wigley. They could now put the Florida police on high alert and maybe catch this guy before he harms someone else.

So unless you are a kidnapper, or you skipped out on your car payment, or stole a rental car, or some other type of criminal, you really shouldn't be too concerned about someone recording your tag. The information about you that can be accessed through running a license plate number can only be obtained by entities that already have that information on you in the first place. It's time that criminals can be tracked the same way that we good people can be.

So after I considered all this, I came to the conclusion that, although it appeared, at first, that this was a Big Brother plot, the information gathered from collecting tags just couldn't be used that way. That's when I decided to join. One thing I would most certainly recommend to all of you though...write your Congressman and emphatically state your disapproval for the Amendment being proposed that would force independent states to comply to the RFID Driver License Chip Bill or lose federal subsidies. Now THAT is Big Brother stuff!

Sincerely and with Best Wishes to you all,
Chuck Sage

Chuck,

Thanks for coming in and stating you reasoning for becoming a narc and part of the Big Brother organization.

Your reasoning is the same rhetoric we hear when the government wants to install those RFID chips in our drivers license. I simply do not believe your reasoning is sound and you are justifying your search for easy money at any costs.

Your rhetoric still does not address the other red flags tossed up by this site IE: Contact info, true professionals in the data collection field and the ultimate disgrace, IMHO is the ulterior motive is to build a database to send junk mail to folks, related to the bogus travel industry claims and of course to introduce their nutritionals to your recruits.

Plus the pay is not worth the effort. Unless you are a mass recruiter and then there comes other issues.

As you stated they will cross reference databases and your claim about being an upstanding, law abiding citizen is just bs.

If you are happy reporting on your neighbors and community members for just $.10 that is ten cents per tag recorded then go for it. But then you become part of the problematic system. Plus you are willing to do the job our law enforcement is paid to do for ten cents and no benefits.

Plus the issues relating to the site are still there and yet to be corrected.

I guess I can say that we agree to disagree on this issue.

Your rationalization is still an invasion of my and our fellow citizens Right to Privacy in the name of more security. They will use this info to cross reference data bases to serve up more junk mail and Spam on and offline.

Hmmm a true socialist sheeple way to think. Let's hope more rational folks will disregard your irrational rhetoric.

Respectfully,

Jim Allen III

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Well guys and gals, I have to play the Devil's Advocate on this one. When I first saw this deal, the whole Big Brother thing immediately popped into my head as well, and nobody hates Big Government more that I.

But then I thought about it and wondered, "just what kind of information am I giving them?". The DMV already knows where you live, what kind of car you drive, what your social security number is, how old you are, etc. That kind of information can certainly be used in nefarious ways against us, I suppose...if they wanted to. But what kind of new information would I be supplying to them that they don't already have by recording a license plate number? Basically I'm telling them that I saw this car, at such and such a place, at this time, on this date. Now to most of us law-abiding citizens, this wouldn't make a bit of difference. Why would I care if the "powers that be" know that I was at the grocery store at 3pm last Tuesday? Any cop cruising the parking lot could randomly run my tag and get that same info. Now I suppose it could be a little embarrassing if my car got tagged in front of the porn theater in the middle of the afternoon, but I digress.

The fact of the matter is that a database of license plates is worthless to anyone other than those entities that can cross-reference it with other databases that have more useful information concerning us already. The Government already knows when you buy an airline ticket, use your credit card, cross a border, buy a gun, etc. They don't need to know where your car was on a given day to know any of that. Again, I'm assuming that you are an upstanding citizen that obeys the law.

Now if we take a criminal for consideration---someone who has been kidnapping, molesting, and killing young girls for instance---how easy is it for them to track these people? Lets say they even know who the guy is, that he is from Texas and lives at such and such a place...he has a Chase Manhattan Visa card, and drives a white Ford van with the license plate number ABC 123. He was last seen in the Dallas area 6 months ago...when his first victim went missing. Well his tag number and vehicle description would be added to the enormous list of other vehicles that are being sought, but since he isn't even in Texas anymore, the odds of some random police officer actually spotting him are pretty slim. Now he has managed to travel half way across the country, and has claimed another 8 victims in 5 different states. Over 2,000 children under the age of 18 go missing every day. Since 1997, the Amber Alert Sysytem, (where people actively look for license tags that are wanted), have only been responsible for the recovery of 492 of them.

But if they had a database like the one DNA is building, they could quite possibly find that this guy's car was seen in Tampa, Florida yesterday at the local Pigley Wigley. They could now put the Florida police on high alert and maybe catch this guy before he harms someone else.

So unless you are a kidnapper, or you skipped out on your car payment, or stole a rental car, or some other type of criminal, you really shouldn't be too concerned about someone recording your tag. The information about you that can be accessed through running a license plate number can only be obtained by entities that already have that information on you in the first place. It's time that criminals can be tracked the same way that we good people can be.

So after I considered all this, I came to the conclusion that, although it appeared, at first, that this was a Big Brother plot, the information gathered from collecting tags just couldn't be used that way. That's when I decided to join. One thing I would most certainly recommend to all of you though...write your Congressman and emphatically state your disapproval for the Amendment being proposed that would force independent states to comply to the RFID Driver License Chip Bill or lose federal subsidies. Now THAT is Big Brother stuff!

Sincerely and with Best Wishes to you all,
Chuck Sage

Chuck I was reading this and found your comment to be rather enlightening. I wanted to say I totally agree with your assessment. However before I could comment, I had to join Adland and sign up. As I was doing this I started laughing. I was giving Adland, many times more personal info about myself than what anyone would be collecting data from my license plates.

Some may say, yea but you are agreeing to it. Well not really, I wanted to respond to this letter, and do so I had to give these people all of this private info. In my opinion that is way more invasive than having my plates tagged when everyone already can see them all the time.

You know the fact is we live in a society that is tagging all of our personal information every day in almost every way. Just like joining Adpand, I gave them as much or maybe even more info than even the DMV has on me. I, like you could not see any real Big Brother benefit to any of this, for Data Affiliate Netwrok. Like you said, they have our data already at the DMV.

I was reading another post that someone made about Jim Rohn being dead and how it was a deception to use his name. Well From what I have gathered from D.N.A. is that this program has been in the works for a year or more and many big named people have become part of the team behind it. Jim Rohn died in December of 09' so I am not sure why the use of his name would present problems. Just because he died does not mean his belief in the program changed.

Other comments were made about the site having no contact data etc... The fact is DNA has not launched yet, and the website is not yet ready, and since no one is paying a dime, why not be a little more patient to wait and see.

No one is being defrauded out of their money, so who cares whether the website is finished or not. I mean like other programs, that take your money before hand, yea then I would agree, better check it out with a fine toothed comb. But this has not even begun and it's free. No harm no foul.

When I first saw D.N.A. the first thought that came into my mind, was Big Brother nonsense, in fact I addressed it at my website in discussing DNA. But then as you said, what they were doing would only aid in capturing bad guys. Because the Gov already has this info on everyone.

I was a manager of a Motel and Restaurant for quite a while, one thing I had to do daily was match license plates with the guests on file. There is nothing illegal or immoral of tagging plates for business. And if you do not have anything to hide, then the information being gathered is only information that is already in the DMV.

Granted no one likes to have their personal info scattered about via other people. And I totally agree, but gathering license tags is a joke when it comes right down to it.

Cause, I am not getting people's personal info just by tagging their plate. I am not screening them for their names, birth dates, or where they were born, or where they live or getting their C.C. numbers. I am not actively seeking anything personal about anyone that does not already have that info in the public domain as it is, i.e. license tags.

If this is a big government operation then I am going to be laughing my arse off all the way to the bank with their money in tow. Simply because, it is a horrible venue to collect data that they already have. And if it is to track my whereabouts other than home, then that data will become useless in minutes because I will be on the move. It is a terrible waste of money to collect plates on people carte blanche because they want info on where you are traveling when you are not home, geez.

This info can only truly be used to harm the bad guy. If the Government wants to come after the good guy, then they already have all the info they need to do so, I am not aiding them in any way shape or form. All they have to do is put on an all points bulletin for my tags, nationwide. Do people really believe the Gov actually needs this info to find us. That's funny... They have technology right now where they could find almost anyone within an 24 hours if they really wanted to.

So I applaud your opinion about DNA in which seemed to be a dissenting opinion here, that's what makes for a free nation, people can give their opinion and not be accused of being some kind of fascist... My belief is, if anything, this is more of a business tool than ever could be a political tool. So good Luck to your success and to the success of many others that never had it online before...

P.S. I wanted to add one more thing, I also applaud those that are worried about this being a Big Brother thing. I do not take anything away from any of you on that, because it proves that Big Brother is not so secretive anymore. More and more people are becoming aware and that is the good news. But for tagging plates, it really is a mute issue.

and lastly, I was one of the first whistle blowers of the Big Bad Gov before most ever heard about what they were doing. I was writing about them four decades ago. So I am not naive as to the plans, agenda and purpose, but I am also not going to get sucked up into paranoia for every little thing that comes around. Remember their biggest agenda is to create fear in all of us so we are afraid of doing anything.

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