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RE: Dhimmocracy in America: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM
11/29/2011 10:18:22 PM
New Zealand only has a population of 4 million. Around 2 million living in Auckland / Manakau City (2 cities within a city) so there is plenty of room in the rest of the two main Islands, however, obtaining a job would be a big problem unless you have lots funds to start a business then you will be welcomed. NZ does not want any 'bludgers' LOL

James and I are staying here, because we feel it is still safer to stay and fight with guns if needed - New Zealand and Australia (Aust gave up their weapons recently in the last few years) does not have gun laws so you will be vulnerable against the Armed Defenders whom are brought it against lawless mobs when US goes down. NZ and Australia will be sitting ducks. We have to fight this Tyranny here before it gets to spread its evil tentacles down under.




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The United Socialist Corporation is looking more and more like Germany under Hitler during WW2 everyday as more Bills, liberties, God given rights and Constitution rights are being made null and void through Executive Orders signed away by Obama.

Rand Paul Aims to Kill “Indefinite Detention” Provision of Controversial Bill


Head of Japanese American Citizens League warns that bill has echoes of World War II-style internment without charge

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Rand Paul

With the bill expected to be up for a vote within 48 hours, Senator Rand Paul has offered an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that will kill a provision allowing the military to detain individuals, including American citizens, without trial or due process.

The “indefinite detention” sections of the NDAA bill would turn the whole of the United States into a “battlefield” and hand the executive branch the power to have the military arrest U.S. citizens and hold them without trial.

The provision is merely an update to the “parallel legal system” had been in place under the auspices of the war on terror for over a decade, “In which terrorism suspects — U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike — may be investigated, jailed, interrogated, tried and punished without legal protections guaranteed by the ordinary system,” as the Washington Post reported in December 2002.

In attempt to kill the indefinite detention provision of the legislation, Senator Rand Paul aims to strike Section 1031 from the bill, which reads as follows.

“Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force…includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons…Detention under the law of war without trial”.

The amendment is seen as having more teeth than a change offered by Colorado Senator Mark Udall which the ACLU has urged voters to support. “There are other similar Amendments too, however none of them completely eliminate the Constitutionally offensive section,” reports the Tennessee Campaign for Liberty website.

Writing in the Washington Post today, Udall emphasizes the fact that the bill does affect American citizens.

In an op-ed for the SIlicon Valley Mercury News, S. Floyd Mori, national executive director of the Japanese American Citizens League, warns that the legislation would create the legal framework for internment without trial on a similar scale to how Japanese-Americans were held in concentration camps during World War II.

“Indefinite detentions based on fear-driven and unlawfully substantiated national security grounds, where individuals are neither duly charged nor fairly tried, violate the essence of U.S. law and the most fundamental values upon which this country was built,” he writes.

The National Defense Authorization Act is set for a procedural vote at midday on Wednesday.



  1. Supremes Rule in Favor of Indefinite Detention
  2. A Detention Bill You Ought to Read More Carefully
  3. Lindsey Graham: White House mulling indefinite detention
  4. Obama creates indefinite detention system for prisoners at Gitmo
  5. Top Counter-Terrorism Experts: Indefinite Detention Will INCREASE Terrorism
  6. Obama Reaffirms Power of Indefinite Detention
  7. Krauthammer, Barnes Demand Unconstitutional Indefinite Detention
  8. Senators Demand Military Lock Up Americans in “Battlefield” Defined as Outside Your Window
  9. Justices to Decide Legality of Indefinite Detention
  10. House Passes Bill With “Global Bailout” Provision
  11. Obama detention plan tests U.S. legal tradition
  12. Nightly News: Americans to be Targeted As Terrorists Under NDAA Bill

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RE: Dhimmocracy in America: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM
11/29/2011 10:53:48 PM

Senate Rejects Amendment to ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill


Section 1031 would strip Americans of all constitutional rights if they are declared ‘terrorists’

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

The Senate has overwhelmingly voted down an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have provided oversight to check the military’s power to arrest U.S. citizens as suspected terrorists on American soil and detain them indefinitely without trial.

Guard Tower

“The Senate soundly defeated a move to strip out controversial language requiring mandatory detention of some terror suspects, voting it down 61 to 37 and escalating a fight with the Obama administration over the future course of the war on terror,” reports the National Journal.

The amendment, introduced by Colorado Senator Mark Udall, was an attempt to weaken Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which would basically turn the entire “homeland” into a battlefield and allow the military to arrest individuals accused of being terrorists and detain them indefinitely without trial. Americans would be stripped of all constitutional rights and posse comitatus would cease to exist.

Confusion surrounding whether or not the bill would apply to American citizens was firmly put to bed by Republican Congressman Justin Amash yesterday, when he pointed out that the language clearly gives the executive branch the power of discretion to decide who is a terrorist, whether they are a U.S. citizen or not.

Amash described the ‘indefinite detention’ provision of the bill as “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime.”

Senator Rand Paul has introduced a separate amendment that strikes Section 1031 from the bill altogether, but seeing as the Senate firmly rejected Udall’s watered down version, it’s unlikely Paul’s will be met sympathetically.

Although President Obama has threatened to veto the bill, political observers aren’t convinced that he will do so.

“He has said he will. Whether he will is a difficult question because, politically, it’s difficult to veto a defense spending bill that 680 pages long and includes authorization to spend on a whole range of military programs,” Daphne Eviatar, Senior Associate, Human Rights First’s Law and Security Program, told Democracy Now.

Eviatar’s organization has which has obtained signatures from 26 retired military leaders urging the Senate to vote down the legislation if the ‘indefinite detention’ provision is not removed.

“This would be the first time since the McCarthy era that the United States Congress has tried to do this,” warned Eviatar. “In the 1950’s, that was actually repealed before it was ever used. In this case have seen the administration very eagerly hold people without trial for 10 plus years in military detention, so there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t continue to do that here. So we’re talking about indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens, of lawful U.S. residents as well as of people abroad.”


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RE: Dhimmocracy in America: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM
11/30/2011 1:32:47 PM
Not exactly sure what a "bludger" is but the kicker is the gun issue. You mean these folks have given up their right to defend themselves already?! If that is the case this old redneck/country boy won't fit in for sure. I do have some friends there that would be happy to have me but without my guns not sure that is where I would wish to be. Just sayin'

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New Zealand only has a population of 4 million. Around 2 million living in Auckland / Manakau City (2 cities within a city) so there is plenty of room in the rest of the two main Islands, however, obtaining a job would be a big problem unless you have lots funds to start a business then you will be welcomed. NZ does not want any 'bludgers' LOL

James and I are staying here, because we feel it is still safer to stay and fight with guns if needed - New Zealand and Australia (Aust gave up their weapons recently in the last few years) does not have gun laws so you will be vulnerable against the Armed Defenders whom are brought it against lawless mobs when US goes down. NZ and Australia will be sitting ducks. We have to fight this Tyranny here before it gets to spread its evil tentacles down under.




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You got room in New Zealand for American Exiles?

Quote:
The United Socialist Corporation is looking more and more like Germany under Hitler during WW2 everyday as more Bills, liberties, God given rights and Constitution rights are being made null and void through Executive Orders signed away by Obama.

Rand Paul Aims to Kill “Indefinite Detention” Provision of Controversial Bill


Head of Japanese American Citizens League warns that bill has echoes of World War II-style internment without charge

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Rand Paul

With the bill expected to be up for a vote within 48 hours, Senator Rand Paul has offered an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that will kill a provision allowing the military to detain individuals, including American citizens, without trial or due process.

The “indefinite detention” sections of the NDAA bill would turn the whole of the United States into a “battlefield” and hand the executive branch the power to have the military arrest U.S. citizens and hold them without trial.

The provision is merely an update to the “parallel legal system” had been in place under the auspices of the war on terror for over a decade, “In which terrorism suspects — U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike — may be investigated, jailed, interrogated, tried and punished without legal protections guaranteed by the ordinary system,” as the Washington Post reported in December 2002.

In attempt to kill the indefinite detention provision of the legislation, Senator Rand Paul aims to strike Section 1031 from the bill, which reads as follows.

“Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force…includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons…Detention under the law of war without trial”.

The amendment is seen as having more teeth than a change offered by Colorado Senator Mark Udall which the ACLU has urged voters to support. “There are other similar Amendments too, however none of them completely eliminate the Constitutionally offensive section,” reports the Tennessee Campaign for Liberty website.

Writing in the Washington Post today, Udall emphasizes the fact that the bill does affect American citizens.

In an op-ed for the SIlicon Valley Mercury News, S. Floyd Mori, national executive director of the Japanese American Citizens League, warns that the legislation would create the legal framework for internment without trial on a similar scale to how Japanese-Americans were held in concentration camps during World War II.

“Indefinite detentions based on fear-driven and unlawfully substantiated national security grounds, where individuals are neither duly charged nor fairly tried, violate the essence of U.S. law and the most fundamental values upon which this country was built,” he writes.

The National Defense Authorization Act is set for a procedural vote at midday on Wednesday.



  1. Supremes Rule in Favor of Indefinite Detention
  2. A Detention Bill You Ought to Read More Carefully
  3. Lindsey Graham: White House mulling indefinite detention
  4. Obama creates indefinite detention system for prisoners at Gitmo
  5. Top Counter-Terrorism Experts: Indefinite Detention Will INCREASE Terrorism
  6. Obama Reaffirms Power of Indefinite Detention
  7. Krauthammer, Barnes Demand Unconstitutional Indefinite Detention
  8. Senators Demand Military Lock Up Americans in “Battlefield” Defined as Outside Your Window
  9. Justices to Decide Legality of Indefinite Detention
  10. House Passes Bill With “Global Bailout” Provision
  11. Obama detention plan tests U.S. legal tradition
  12. Nightly News: Americans to be Targeted As Terrorists Under NDAA Bill

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RE: Dhimmocracy in America: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM
11/30/2011 1:38:10 PM
I am glad, I think, as we are not sure the bill will be shelved as it should be. The wankers try to sneak **** in all the time. McCain is a big disappointment and showing his communist stripe for sure and it is time for him to go. IMV

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Senate Rejects Amendment to ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill


Section 1031 would strip Americans of all constitutional rights if they are declared ‘terrorists’

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

The Senate has overwhelmingly voted down an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have provided oversight to check the military’s power to arrest U.S. citizens as suspected terrorists on American soil and detain them indefinitely without trial.

Guard Tower

“The Senate soundly defeated a move to strip out controversial language requiring mandatory detention of some terror suspects, voting it down 61 to 37 and escalating a fight with the Obama administration over the future course of the war on terror,” reports the National Journal.

The amendment, introduced by Colorado Senator Mark Udall, was an attempt to weaken Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which would basically turn the entire “homeland” into a battlefield and allow the military to arrest individuals accused of being terrorists and detain them indefinitely without trial. Americans would be stripped of all constitutional rights and posse comitatus would cease to exist.

Confusion surrounding whether or not the bill would apply to American citizens was firmly put to bed by Republican Congressman Justin Amash yesterday, when he pointed out that the language clearly gives the executive branch the power of discretion to decide who is a terrorist, whether they are a U.S. citizen or not.

Amash described the ‘indefinite detention’ provision of the bill as “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime.”

Senator Rand Paul has introduced a separate amendment that strikes Section 1031 from the bill altogether, but seeing as the Senate firmly rejected Udall’s watered down version, it’s unlikely Paul’s will be met sympathetically.

Although President Obama has threatened to veto the bill, political observers aren’t convinced that he will do so.

“He has said he will. Whether he will is a difficult question because, politically, it’s difficult to veto a defense spending bill that 680 pages long and includes authorization to spend on a whole range of military programs,” Daphne Eviatar, Senior Associate, Human Rights First’s Law and Security Program, told Democracy Now.

Eviatar’s organization has which has obtained signatures from 26 retired military leaders urging the Senate to vote down the legislation if the ‘indefinite detention’ provision is not removed.

“This would be the first time since the McCarthy era that the United States Congress has tried to do this,” warned Eviatar. “In the 1950’s, that was actually repealed before it was ever used. In this case have seen the administration very eagerly hold people without trial for 10 plus years in military detention, so there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t continue to do that here. So we’re talking about indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens, of lawful U.S. residents as well as of people abroad.”


May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,



Jim Allen III
Skype: JAllen3D
Everything You Need For Online Success


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Amanda Martin-Shaver

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RE: Dhimmocracy in America: Is thisThe Truth About Muhammad: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM
11/30/2011 4:14:57 PM
Kiwi's (New Zealanders) and Aussie's refer to 'bludgers' as people on welfare expecting a handout for doing nothing.

In NZ Many Maori's and Islanders (people from Pacific Islands, Samoa, Tonga etc) live off welfare handouts and some of these make use of the system more than others. Just like it happens in US too..

Live in the country areas and you can have a rifle or two for deer stalking (hunting) culling, possums and rabbits (there are plenty of these animals) ammo is rather expensive though - NZ does not have any prey animals e.g. coyotes, wolves, bears, cougars etc so possums and rabbits multiply to great numbers and eat human food resources of crops etc.

NZ never had gun laws since way, way back.
Differences were settled with a discussion, argument or fisty cuffs (fight) if you had too. Hardly anyone sues another either.

I always found NZ to be more transparent and no one really tried to pull the wool over our eyes and there were resources that everyone knew about to take our complaints to and get something done. Also there were two excellent TV shows to shine the light on people / business whom scammed, overcharged, deceived their customers etc.
These business were soon out of work because so many of the public watched these shows. Any business knows that it takes years to build up their reputation and only a few days to pull it down with bad publicity from wronged customers who tell others more quickly than when they receive good service.


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Not exactly sure what a "bludger" is but the kicker is the gun issue. You mean these folks have given up their right to defend themselves already?! If that is the case this old redneck/country boy won't fit in for sure. I do have some friends there that would be happy to have me but without my guns not sure that is where I would wish to be. Just sayin'

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New Zealand only has a population of 4 million. Around 2 million living in Auckland / Manakau City (2 cities within a city) so there is plenty of room in the rest of the two main Islands, however, obtaining a job would be a big problem unless you have lots funds to start a business then you will be welcomed. NZ does not want any 'bludgers' LOL

James and I are staying here, because we feel it is still safer to stay and fight with guns if needed - New Zealand and Australia (Aust gave up their weapons recently in the last few years) does not have gun laws so you will be vulnerable against the Armed Defenders whom are brought it against lawless mobs when US goes down. NZ and Australia will be sitting ducks. We have to fight this Tyranny here before it gets to spread its evil tentacles down under.




Quote:
You got room in New Zealand for American Exiles?

Quote:
The United Socialist Corporation is looking more and more like Germany under Hitler during WW2 everyday as more Bills, liberties, God given rights and Constitution rights are being made null and void through Executive Orders signed away by Obama.

Rand Paul Aims to Kill “Indefinite Detention” Provision of Controversial Bill


Head of Japanese American Citizens League warns that bill has echoes of World War II-style internment without charge

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Rand Paul

With the bill expected to be up for a vote within 48 hours, Senator Rand Paul has offered an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that will kill a provision allowing the military to detain individuals, including American citizens, without trial or due process.

The “indefinite detention” sections of the NDAA bill would turn the whole of the United States into a “battlefield” and hand the executive branch the power to have the military arrest U.S. citizens and hold them without trial.

The provision is merely an update to the “parallel legal system” had been in place under the auspices of the war on terror for over a decade, “In which terrorism suspects — U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike — may be investigated, jailed, interrogated, tried and punished without legal protections guaranteed by the ordinary system,” as the Washington Post reported in December 2002.

In attempt to kill the indefinite detention provision of the legislation, Senator Rand Paul aims to strike Section 1031 from the bill, which reads as follows.

“Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force…includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons…Detention under the law of war without trial”.

The amendment is seen as having more teeth than a change offered by Colorado Senator Mark Udall which the ACLU has urged voters to support. “There are other similar Amendments too, however none of them completely eliminate the Constitutionally offensive section,” reports the Tennessee Campaign for Liberty website.

Writing in the Washington Post today, Udall emphasizes the fact that the bill does affect American citizens.

In an op-ed for the SIlicon Valley Mercury News, S. Floyd Mori, national executive director of the Japanese American Citizens League, warns that the legislation would create the legal framework for internment without trial on a similar scale to how Japanese-Americans were held in concentration camps during World War II.

“Indefinite detentions based on fear-driven and unlawfully substantiated national security grounds, where individuals are neither duly charged nor fairly tried, violate the essence of U.S. law and the most fundamental values upon which this country was built,” he writes.

The National Defense Authorization Act is set for a procedural vote at midday on Wednesday.



  1. Supremes Rule in Favor of Indefinite Detention
  2. A Detention Bill You Ought to Read More Carefully
  3. Lindsey Graham: White House mulling indefinite detention
  4. Obama creates indefinite detention system for prisoners at Gitmo
  5. Top Counter-Terrorism Experts: Indefinite Detention Will INCREASE Terrorism
  6. Obama Reaffirms Power of Indefinite Detention
  7. Krauthammer, Barnes Demand Unconstitutional Indefinite Detention
  8. Senators Demand Military Lock Up Americans in “Battlefield” Defined as Outside Your Window
  9. Justices to Decide Legality of Indefinite Detention
  10. House Passes Bill With “Global Bailout” Provision
  11. Obama detention plan tests U.S. legal tradition
  12. Nightly News: Americans to be Targeted As Terrorists Under NDAA Bill

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