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12/14/2009 7:04:09 PM

Jim that article was from Wikipedia.

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12/14/2009 7:07:22 PM
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Welcome to the 5th Dimension




I am also wondering why the charges for these calls now that we have reached the 5th Dimension.
I am no longer confused now I am discerning and my discernment says there is a monetary gain to these folks. Much like some of these TV Preachers claiming that your contributions will cause blessing to be heaped upon you.
It appears that Evelyn's post is full of truisms and fact.

Criticism and comparison to a cult

Barnard became aware of Goodwin's description of NESARA before his death in 2005. He denied that NESARA had been enacted into law or even assigned a tracking number, and condemned Goodwin's allegations as a disinformation campaign.[24] Goodwin, for her part, dismisses the NESARA Institute as a disinformation front for the Bush family.

Some NESARA detractors claim that NESARA is a cult designed primarily to provide an income to Goodwin and others. They point to the fact that Goodwin, Lee, and Nidle frequently ask their readers to donate money.[25][26][27] Goodwin, who also asks readers to donate their frequent flyer miles,[28] claims that she needs and has used the funds to travel to various locations around the world to secretly meet with high-level government officials about getting NESARA announced.[29][28]

Some NESARA supporters also make the claim that otherworldly beings are working to get NESARA announced. These include a "channeled spirit" called "Hatonn",[30] and another called "Sananda" (claiming to be Jesus)[31] along with Saint Germain, a deity borrowed from The I AM Movement and the Church Universal and Triumphant. Benevolent aliens are also frequently mentioned, most prominently by Nidle, as working towards the NESARA announcement. The designation of George W. Bush as a reptilian often co-occurs with this claim.[32] Goodwin has claimed that Saint Germain has come down from heaven to physically meet with heads of banks and world leaders regarding the NESARA announcement.[33][34]

The prominence of failed prophecy also lends support to the cult theory. NESARA supporters often tell their readers that the NESARA announcement is going to happen in a matter of days. These claims have been made too many times to enumerate, without ever coming to fruition. According to the documentary Waiting For NESARA, the claim was also made prior to March 2003 that George Bush was planning the war with Iraq only to further delay the NESARA announcement. It was prophesied that spiritual beings and UFOs would intervene with Bush's plans and prevent the war.[19]

A June 2006 complaint to the Washington consumer protection division accused Goodwin of using the NESARA story to defraud a 64-year-old San Francisco woman of at least $10,000. The woman's daughter said the actual amount is much larger, in the hundreds of thousands.[21]

NESARA documentary

The documentary film Waiting For NESARA studies a NESARA group in Salt Lake City, Utah, whose members are excommunicated Mormons and hold weekly meetings in a local Kentucky Fried Chicken to discuss NESARA.



Hi Jim & Evelyn,

I'm sorry my friends. I don't think it makes any difference what dimension you're in there was always money involved. The majority of the links to different sites all had some sort of sales on their site.

Now since today's 5D is virtually the same as yesterday's 3D the money's the same as it will be in 6D, 7D etc. when they start pushing further "ascensions".

Just out of curiosity. Is your 5D reality any different from yesterday's 3D reality???

In regard to cults. If you go and read up on cults in general there is one major common denominator between them all. Brainwashing and no discernment necessary in understanding that word.

Shalom,

Peter

Shalom,

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12/14/2009 7:20:48 PM

Here are some terms from Wikepedia that really extolls the need for discernment

Disinformation

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Disinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. It is synonymous with and sometimes called Black propaganda. It may include the distribution of forged documents, manuscripts, and photographs, or spreading malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.

In espionage or military intelligence, disinformation is the deliberate spreading of false information to mislead an enemy as to one's position or course of action. In politics, disinformation is the deliberate attempt to deflect voter support of an opponent, disseminating false statements of innuendo based on the candidates vulnerabilities as revealed by opposition research. In both cases, it also includes the distortion of true information in such a way as to render it useless.

Disinformation techniques may also be found in commerce and government, used to try to undermine the position of a competitor. It is an act of deception and blatant false statements to convince someone of an untruth. Cooking-the-books might be considered a disinformation strategy that led to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Unlike traditional propaganda and Big Lie techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions.

Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can effect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with a lot of easily-disproved false claims.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).

The Cold War made disinformation a recognized military and political tactic. Military disinformation techniques were described by Vladimir Volkoff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

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Ideological

Political or religious ideologies will sometimes use false flag tactics. This can be done to discredit or implicate rival groups, create the appearance of enemies when none exist, or create the illusion of organized and directed opposition when in truth, the ideology is simply unpopular with society.

A bomb threat forged by Scientology operatives

The Church of Scientology stole some stationery from an author's home and then used that stationery to forge bomb threats and have them mailed to a Scientology office. Scientology also had a plan for further operations known as Operation Freakout, but several Scientology operatives were arrested in a separate investigation and the plan failed.[21]

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Terrorism and false flag operations

During the Italian strategy of tension in which several bombings in the 1970s, attributed to far-left organizations, were in fact carried out by far-right organizations cooperating with the Italian secret services (see Operation Gladio, 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing, 1972 Peteano attack by Vincenzo Vinciguerra, 1973 assassination attempt of former Interior Minister Mariano Rumor, 1980 Bologna massacre, etc. and various investigations, for example by Guido Salvini). In France, the Masada Action and Defense Movement, supposedly a Zionist group, was really a neo-fascist terrorist group which hoped to increase tension between Arabs and Jews in France.

False flag tactics were also employed during the Algerian civil war, starting in the mid-1994. Death squads composed of DRS (Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité) security forces disguised themselves as Islamist terrorists and committed false flag terror attacks. Such groups included the OJAL (Organisation of Young Free Algerians) or the OSSRA (Secret Organisation for the safeguard of the Algerian Republic)[22] According to Roger Faligot and Pascal Kropp (1999), the OJAL reminded of "the Organization of the French Algerian Resistance (ORAF), a group of counter-terrorists created in December 1956 by the Direction de la surveillance du territoire (Territorial Surveillance Directorate) whose mission was to carry out terrorist attacks with the aim of quashing any hopes of political compromise." [23]

On the night of February 27, 1933, the Reichstag building was set on fire. At the urging of Hitler, Hindenburg responded the next day by issuing an emergency decree "for the Protection of the people and the State," which stated: "Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." The question of who actually started the Reichstag fire is still unknown and occasionally debated.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag_operation

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I submit these as ways people are fooled into believing just about anything and it is still prevalent even in this 5th Dimension

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12/14/2009 7:43:59 PM
Hi Jim & Evelyn,

These are definitely different ways to convince and in the end brainwash. The entities behind these deceptions are not known even though we have our suspicions but they are just that suspicions. Which ever way you look at it it's a question of mind control and aside from money there might be a bigger agenda and/or picture then we realize at the moment. As I said we do have our suspicions but only time will tell if they are correct or not.

Shalom,

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Yes!! Thank you Jill.

This video is for you. Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's "Messiah" - Sung by the Bethany College Choir

Small people celebrate stuff like this. Gratefully these types play no role in my life. However, I do suggest this person keep talking to her cats. As they are the only ones that can truly tolerate the stupidity often displayed by such celebrations and celebrants especially this one. She has a foot and mouth disease in my humble opinion and needs treatment soon..

What Happened to All the Unconditional LOVE! And Practicing what one preaches? Of course small people do small things, so this is to be expected. Especially from this source.

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