As a surfer since 2000 I most say that my biz had not been what it is today if autosurf/surf/ads-engines not had been there. My homesite as an example has got over 10.000 clicks per month since I started it. And this is only one of the sites I advertice. John`s randomizer-server got to much clicks the first day of nov. and we all had to stop using auto`s cause of the using to much bandw. I have tryed about 400 dif. engines since I started, and a lot of them has never given clicks. To day I use many, and all of them gives clicks - to Adland, to my web, to the biz I ad - and my trackers tells me who gives or not. This engines is like a magazine/newspaper - most people see the ads - but thats all. BUT they who get interested - they are the one who makes internet-networking profitable. I have a worldwide team in one of my biz, and before ads was legal to make in this companyl, my members was based on the old system: "tell a friend - who has a friend - who knows a person - who has a brother in US" - this is a long road to drive, and therefor internet and ads ARE success to most of them who find the good ones and makes a good ad. Very good forums Linda. Best regards Arild

I don't think the surf sites do much for Traffic but it is nice to make extra cash no matter how small it maybe. Getting sign ups is the way to make your money really payoff. Thanks for the Forum Linda, Sorry I have been out for a while, Visiting Family!! Your friend,

Great forum Linda. I use about ten autosurf sites a day at the present time. I have made about $400 on 12dailypro and have two others I am making a profit on. I have also lost $60 on a surf program which shut down and took my money so that scammers wouldn't take it. At least that was the reason they gave for shutting down. The 7 other sites I am a free member of and use just for traffic. I don't have to worry about bandwidth so I can afford to experiment with this method of traffic. I am currently getting about 900 hits a day with no sales on my gift basket site. Remember that this site is less then 2 weeks old. I have noticed that most site on the auto-surfs are MLM ops. I am selling a product so this is something different and may help it stand out. I am also trying a mixture of splash pages on different programs to see if I can get any sales. It may not work but all it cost me is an hour a day for the surfing and if it does work I'll be better off. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Howdy Arthur, You said: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have also lost $60 on a surf program which shut down and took my money so that scammers wouldn't take it. At least that was the reason they gave for shutting down." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I reckon we know who the scammer was going by that little gem of an explanation ! Gary Simpson

So by the looks of things, to say conversion rates are extremely low would be an extreme understatment?