Wow.. This is a great forum. Informative, enlightening and heated.. i love it! In my experience with randomizers I would have to say that if you are going into it with the mind set to get rich, or earn a living off of the randomizer site alone, stop dreaming. With all that has been said about the PayPal ban, if you DO decide to join, make sure that the site at least offers Stormpay as a payment option as well. But, I also have to agree with John. The benefits of SOME of these randomizer sites go far beyond the opportunity to receive a random PayPal payment. They actually offer products, services, or downloads to their members. Some offer resell rights packages that I've seen people sell on Ebay and what not. So, I think that it's misleading to generalize all randomizer sites as being the same, or a scheme. I've seen worse MLM schemes out there than the randomizer for sure! In my opinion, it's actually pretty cool of the site owner to even offer, or provide payments to random affiliates. Before joining a PayPal Randomizer type site though, you have to consider the products offered, the number of tiers the affiliate program has, whether or not it's weighted, and of course the commission structure. Using the same script functions, the admin of the randomizer site could offer an affiliate program that pays on one level only. For example, let's say there's a randomizer site that works as follows. Whenever a new member joins, they would pay a randomly selected affiliate $50.00 and the admin $50.00 for a full year of web hosting. I am not sure if such a program exists. It's probably too good to be true. But, if it did would you consider joining? Here's another question. Let's say for example everytime the main AdLandPro site was loaded, a random affiliate id was selected from the database and credited with a referral. That would be a pretty nice feature right? So, my question is this. If a major, well known company that accepts PayPal for whatever reason decided to offer random affiliate payments on purchases made at their web site, do you think that PayPal would ban them as well? Lingo

Hello Lingo, You asked So, my question is this. If a major, well known company that accepts PayPal for whatever reason decided to offer random affiliate payments on purchases made at their web site, do you think that PayPal would ban them as well? I think to clarify the reasoning behiend the Pay Pal user Agreement and whether or not they would shut down anyones account, you need to fully understand the terms and conditions that have been given to Pay Pal by the Credit Card companies. I am pretty sure that if the Credit Card companies relaxed their requirements, Pay Pal would take money if you wanted to sell a Kidney, as would E-Bay. The reference to Pay Pal is only made as they are the ones that are in the fore front doing the money transfers. The real strict rules are set up by the Credit Card companies. Go to a Merchant account provider and read the terms and conditions thay give when you are trying to get your own merchant account. What you will receive is about 12 pages of text that lay out all of the terms you have to follow. Now go to VISA or AMEX and get a list of their terms and conditions and it is even longer and you might need a Lawyer to read them to you as they are written by Lawyers. In Pay PAl or any other merchant processors listing temrs and coditions they probavly realize that a very small percetage of people will ever read them but should the case arise where the Credit Card company comes after them they have an out just by listing the terms for everyone to read. They would of course cancel the violators account in order to remain in good standing with the Credit Card companies. Merchant accounts are themselves a very funny creature and easiest to acquire in the U.S.A. than anyplace else. There was a fellow a few years ago that proved how easy it was to get a Merchant Account in the US over any other country. He actually got his DOG his own merchant account. So Fido could take credit cards but people in other countries could do what he did for his dog. It all comes down to the Banking Laws of each country and to the Credit Card companies.

Hi Peter, I have just received the following email from Paypal. Dear John Partington, Thank you for contacting PayPal. Thank you for providing this information to us. The PayPal User Agreement states that PayPal, at its sole discretion, reserves the right to close an account for any violation of the User Agreement, including the Acceptable Use Policy. Under the Acceptable Use Policy, you may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of multi-level marketing programs (including online payment randomizers), as well as matrix, pyramid and Ponzi schemes, get rich quick schemes, or other similar ventures. The complete Acceptable Use Policy addressing MLM, Pyramid and Matrix Programs can be found at the following URL: http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outsid e&ed=rich_quick If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again. Sincerely, PayPal, Acceptable Use Policy Department PayPal, an eBay Company Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Dear Sir/Madam, There seems to be some dispute as to what is a violation of your policies, I can't find one that relates to my site as the value charged is far less than whats available within the site after signup. I would be pleased if you could visit this forum to determine wether the forum owner is correct in the assumption that all randomizers violate Paypals policy? http://community.adlandpro.com/forumShowPost.aspx?PostID=187263 Thank You John Partington. ------------------------------- I would like to thank you and Linda for saving us from getting into trouble! Best Wishes John.

Hi Again, The link for the Paypal info has broke here it is again http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=rich_quick Thanks John.

Way to go John, Having read the article again I find it as a good litmus test for evaluating some opportunities that are often presented here by AdLandPro members.