Linda, When you think about it numbers cannot lie. Words can. No, it's not the words themselves it is the convoluted way that people use them. That was what I was meaning. Think of this... Ever read a financial statement? The numbers are presented and then you see a little asterisk. You follow the asterisk down and there are the words that attempt to explain the "meaning" of the numbers. Yeah, we are both nitpicking to some degree. I just hope that this thread is assisting people to understand the true intention behind all these schemes. In effect, we are stripping them bare and allowing everybody to see them for what they really are. Nice work to everybody who has chipped in with their comments. It all adds to the knowledge which is good. Final comment... I agree with your stance Linda that people lie. Their best weapon to effect a lie are indeed words. It is rather difficult to disprove that 2 + 2 = 4. Heh, are we really saying the same thing using different words? LOL! Gary Simpson

============================= It is rather difficult to disprove that 2 + 2 = 4. ============================= 2 male rabbits and 2 female rabbits ought to do that rather nicely. LOL (kidding)

Linda, Voila! You had to "disprove" the numbers using words! The epexegesis (oh,oh - slipped out!) is always in the words. Um, taking this to the extreme - "kidding" - 2 male goats + 2 female goats? LOL! Yup! Gary Simpson

I have to think tho that perhaps the numbers DO lie. When I started my blog, I put a counter on the site. I didn't want it to start at number 1, so I inflated it a bit, I think 157 or something like that. I think a site owner that wants people coming to his "wow" randomizer may tend to inflate his numbers a little bit as well. He certainly wouldn't under-represent them, but I would expect them to be inflated somewhat. Scary! Bob

=========================================== taking this to the extreme - "kidding" - 2 male goats + 2 female goats? LOL! =========================================== Goat gestation is 145-155 days Rabbit? 31 days. Now THAT'S extreme. LOL. They breed almost as fast as online scams, for goodness sakes. Heh. Okay, shutting up for a while. (as if)