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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - KUWAITI PROFESSOR DEMANDS ATTACK ON THE WHIITE HOUSE
2/23/2009 6:28:43 AM

Hello Peter,

What was the dream? Well we know of the saying “If your dream is big enough the details don’t matter”. I understand that might he have heard of that saying or not, it is a constant that all who find themselves in a rut (and he surly did) sit down and brew about; Why do people not love me?

So let us go back into these times and yet maintain a whiff of anachronism to spot his dream. We all know, or should do if we are astute forum readers that Greece conquered the world not only by sword but also by word, thoughts and literature. So I believe that to inspire awe, might, love and respect nothing better than to indulge into mythology. It always seems to work wonders for a while. In Greek mythology (without me usurping undue knowledge in these matters) Pegasus (the flying horse) sprang from Medusa's neck as Perseus beheaded her, like the birth of Athena from the head of Zeus. But we are still waiting from our Philoxenia friend to prove that Buraq the flying horse of Mohamed and Pegasus are one. I believe that here is the knot of our recent forum troubles.

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Robert.

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - WILDERS RECEIVES THE ORIANA FALLACCI AWARD - iSLAM AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH
2/23/2009 6:51:00 AM
Hello Friends,

Geert Wilders received the Oriana Fallacci Award, "Islam and Freedom of Speech".


I'm glad to see that there are still countries in the world that aren't afraid to award a man for his contributions and bravery. Quite a contrast to the cowardly actions of the British Government and even his own country Holland.


Geert Wilders will be in the USA this week and will be in New York, Boston and D.C. Many will be there to welcome him with open arms.

His speech is a brave call for all of us to protect our right to freedom of speech which is being slowly taken away form us. Read the speech and heed the warning. The signs are on the wall and staring all of us in the face.

Below is Geert Wilders acceptance speech.

Shalom,

Peter



Speech by Geert Wilders
Rome, February 19, 2009

Signore e signori, molte grazie. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

I feel very honoured to have been invited to speak here in Rome, to speak here in this splendid city, the cradle of our Western civilization.

As you perhaps know, Oriana Fallaci is one of my heroes. She definitely was one of the greatest examples of bravery and honesty. Her brilliant books ‘The Rage and the Pride’ and ‘The Force of Reason’ are my guidelines that inspire me day after day. Mr. Manocchia, Una via per Oriana, thank you very much for remembering the great Oriana Fallaci. The world should remember her forever.

Ladies and gentlemen, following in the footsteps of Oriana Fallaci, I want to warn you for a great threat. This great threat is called Islam.

Islam is build on two rocks. First there is the Koran, Allah’s personal word, with orders that need to be fulfilled by Muslims regardless of place and time. As you know, the Koran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, terrorism, war, Jihad. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims and he Koran considers Jews to be monkeys and pigs. That is why the great German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer called the Koran inferior. That is why former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Oriana Fallaci compared the Koran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

Second, there is the so called perfect man: Muhammad. His deeds have to be imitated by all Muslims, and since Muhammad was a warlord and executed prisoners of war we know exactly what to expect. The brave American apostate dr. Wafa Sultan said: “The problem is that the Koran clearly says that Muhammad should be a role model for every Muslim. You are not allowed to criticise him, but you should follow in his footsteps. As a Muslim it is your mission to spread Islam by the sword”.

Please, ladies and gentlemen, let no one fool you: Islam means submission, so there cannot be any mistake about its goal. There are moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.
A total of 54 million Muslims live across Europe. In less than half a century the number of Muslims has increased rapidly. The Islamization of Europe affects the European achievements of the last century. The question is: Are we prepared to defend our achievements? Are we prepared to defend the equality of men and women? Are we prepared to defend the equality of homo- and heterosexuals? Are we prepared to defend the separation of Church and State? Are we prepared to defend freedom of speech?

Ladies and gentlemen, I would not qualify myself as a free man. Four and a half years ago I lost my freedom. Since then I am under 24-hour police protection. As if that is not enough, the most radical Dutch Imam claimed 55.000 euros in compensation for his hurt feelings because of ‘Fitna’. The State of Jordan is possibly going to issue a request for my extradition to stand trial in Amman. The Amsterdam Court of Appeal ordered my criminal prosecution for making ‘Fitna’ and for my political views on Islam. And last week the British government refused my entrance into the United Kingdom because me showing ‘Fitna’ in the British House of Lords at the invitation of a British parliamentarian would be a threat to British public security. This is the alarming state of freedom of speech in today’s Europe: Criticizing Islam has become a dangerous activity, criticizing Islam has apparently become a criminal act.

You just saw ‘Fitna’. My name is on the credit roll, but like you have seen, ‘Fitna’ is actually not made by me, but is made by radical Muslims, the Koran and Islam itself. If ‘Fitna’ is considered to be hate speech, then what is the Koran? If I am considered to be a threat to public security, then what is Islam?

The Court’s decision and my ban by the British government are two major victories for Islam. Both institutions have sided with Islam. The first Soviet leader, Lenin, once labelled ignorant people that unknowingly aided his cause as ‘useful idiots’. Well, the Court and the British government are the ‘useful idiots’ of today, and I think they are even proud of it.

The Court’s decision and my ban by the British government are also two major victories for all those who hate freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech — the dearest of our liberties — is under attack in today’s Europe. Oriana Fallaci herself had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her book ‘The Rage and the Pride’. Recently, Susanne Winter, an Austrian politician, was sentenced to a suspended prison sentence for telling the truth about Muhammad. The Dutch cartoonist Gregorius Nekschot was arrested by ten police men because of his drawings, and on top of all that, we now have the decisions of the Inquisition-like Court in Amsterdam and the Dhimmi British government.

Freedom of speech is no longer a given in Europe. What we once considered to be a natural component of our existence is now something we have to fight for. That is what is at stake. Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most important issue. The question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?

I repeat the words inscribed on the headstone of the murdered Dutch anti-Islam politician dr. Pim Fortuyn, who lies buried here in Italy and would have celebrated his birthday today: ‘loquendi libertatum custodiamus’, let us guard freedom of speech.

That is why I propose the withdrawal of all hate speech legislation in Europe. I propose a European First Amendment. Freedom of speech is the keystone of our Western civilization, it is the keystone of our democracies and the keystone of our freedom. That is why freedom of speech should be extended instead of restricted. Salman Rushdie’s ‘The Satanic Verses’, Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s and Theo van Gogh’s film ‘Submission’, Kurt Westergaard’s cartoons and my documentary ‘Fitna’ should never be banned, but should be protected. As George Orwell once said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is five to twelve. In Europe, our freedom is at stake. Islam is Europe’s Trojan Horse. The differences between Saudi-Arabia and the Netherlands, between Iran and Italy are blurring. The first Islamic invasion of Europe was stopped at Poitiers in 732. The second Islamic invasion was halted at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Now we have to stop the current — stealth — Islamic invasion. Ladies and gentlemen, once Islam conquered Constantinople, now it wants to conquer Rome. We have to stop the Islamization of Europe, because if we don’t, Europe will become Eurabia.

Fortunately there is some hope. This hope does not come from governments, but from the people. In the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population considers mass immigration to be the number one policy mistake since the Second World War. Another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity. I am convinced that the public opinion in the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Spain and here in Italy isn’t much different.

We have to maintain our values. We have to maintain our liberties. We have to maintain our civilization. We have to maintain the heritage of Rome, because we owe it to our children.

As Oriana Fallaci once said: “The moment you give up your principles, and your values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead”.


Thank you very much.

Source Atlas Shrugs.

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - KUWAITI PROFESSOR DEMANDS ATTACK ON THE WHIITE HOUSE
2/23/2009 11:48:17 AM
Hello Friends :-)

The other day, I've seen on one of our TV channels which over took a program from CNN (I guess) about a book written by a woman from EGYPT! - about Islam and SHARIA - which she says and shows its not a religion in fact but a political regime!

HUH, as I do not remember this I will post you a video which says so much and well:

((youtube id="6aRuqozNMmQ"))((/youtube))

I have to run now, but I'll be back to read what I couldn't yet

With friendship,
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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - KUWAITI PROFESSOR DEMANDS ATTACK ON THE WHIITE HOUSE
2/23/2009 10:49:41 PM

Hello Robert,

Interesting theory but I'm not convinced that the nomadic Mohammad was influenced much by Greek mythology. We know that the Judaic/Christian teachings influenced him and we can see the signs of that in the Koran.

He created the dreams that are a part of Islam;s mythology but it has been kept alive throughout the generations as opposed to the Roman and Greek empires that fell due to the decadence of their culture. We can see the signs of that happening to our western culture as well. The signs are there and we can still all work together and put a stop to it.

Thanks again for sharing.

Shalom,

Peter  

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - KUWAITI PROFESSOR DEMANDS ATTACK ON THE WHIITE HOUSE
2/23/2009 10:53:47 PM

Hi AnaMaria,

Thanks for the song. It sure does say a lot. I'm looking forward to hearing about the book you forgot the name of. I'm sure it'll all come back to you. :)

Shalom,

Peter

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