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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
4/14/2012 12:20:20 PM
Hello Friends,

Over the years there has always been a partnership between Israel and the United States that went beyond being simply allies. The fact that Israel is America's most loyal ally in the Middle East (if not the world) is a known fact that has held true even during administrations that had presidents that really didn't like Israel very much. There weren't that many but there were a few.

Never though has a president and his administration been so anti Israel as B Hussein's. Over the past few years Israel has been thrown under the bus, sabotaged , back stabbed etc. many times, the culmination of which are the continuous leaks from this administration about Israeli plans and much worse.

I believe that the relations between Israel and the United States will continue to be the best possible despite B Hussein and his islamic agenda. The reason for that is that the majority of Americans see Israel as an ally and friend and when B Hussein is voted out of office in November the new administration will be trusted again even though the B Hussein's regime is no longer trusted. We've seen to many cases of him and his goons hugging its enemies and backstabbing its friends.

The below video shows the true relationship between the two countries and how cooperation on all levels have been beneficial to both countries.

Shalom,

Peter


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLeewov4h2U

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RE: HSIG - Ron Paul Flip Flops On Israel. Wonder Why?
4/15/2012 10:15:09 AM
Hello Friends,

Here's a surprise for the ronbots (not for me). Ron Paul came out in favor of moving the United States Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And this new position of his came out during a meeting with Evangelical leaders at a Wednesday night meeting.

This amazing flip flop came about after Santorum suspended his run for the GOP nomination and with the hope in sight to get the Evangelicals to support him since Santorum is no longer on the scene and Romney isn't their flavor of the day.

This flip flop of Ron Paul is a desperate move to gain supporters. His voting record on Israel is well known and documented. His pro palestinian stances are also well known. For those who remember even though he votes against aid to Israel he voted for monetary aid for Hamas and the PA just recently so his voting record against all foreign aid isn't as clean as he wants people to believe.

There is no way he would ever move the US Embassy to Jerusalem and apparently he's a student of Taqiyya. He had all the chances he needed during the debates when asked about his policies about Israel to add he'd move the U S Embassy to Jerusalem but he didn't. All he said was he would be friends with Israel and trade wit her. If this is what he really thinks he would have said it then not once but every chance he had since his expressed views were booed time and again.

Even now he hasn't said it publicly even though it became public but behind closed doors. Guess he doesn't want to piss off his Storm Front supporters, the many other antisemitic ronbots and of course his muslim supporters.

So, I certainly hope that people won't be fooled by his flip flop which is the act of a desperate man with single digit votes in most of the primary polls.

Shalom,

Peter

|April 13, 2012

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul revealed this week that he would support moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, a surprising position that contradicts conventional wisdom about Paul's stance toward the Jewish state.

Paul first made this position known Wednesday night, during a private meeting with evangelical leaders interested in helping the Texas Congressman reach out to the conservative Christian community.

According to a transcript of the meeting obtained by Business Insider, the leaders started off the meeting by asking Paul whether he would sign an Executive Order to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a major policy objective for Israeli hardliners and many leaders in the Christian Right.

"The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want," Paul told evangelical leaders, according to a transcript of the meeting obtained by Business Insider. "If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that."

"How would we like it if some other nation said 'We decided to recognize New York City as your capital instead, so we will build our embassy there?'" he added.

Even Paul's senior campaign aides were surprised by his response.

"We were floored," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "It sounds like pure Ron Paul, but it still caught us off guard...If someone would have asked him that in a national debate, I suppose it would have popped right out, but nobody did!"

Wead added that Paul's position "makes sense after the fact," noting that the candidate has frequently emphasized Israel's sovereignty.

Still, Paul's stance will likely come as a surprise to GOP leaders, most of whom view Paul's non-interventionist foreign policy ideas — and particularly his stance towards Israel — as his greatest weakness. The septuagenarian Congressman has largely been snubbed by the right-wing Jewish community, and was even excluded from a December presidential candidates' forum hosted by the Republican Jewish Coalition because of his "misguided and extreme" foreign policy views.

"I appreciate what he said about Israel — as a matter of fact, I was pleasantly surprised," Brian Jacobs, a Texas pastor who attended Wednesday's meeting, told Business Insider. "It helped answer a lot of questions that I had."

Ironically, Paul and Newt Gingrich are now the only presidential candidates who have said that they are in favor of recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moving the U.S. Embassy there. President Barack Obama has postponed moving the Embassy. Romney "would like to see the U.S. Embassy eventually moved to Jerusalem," campaign spokesman Andrea Saul said in a statement emailed to Business Insider.

While Paul's position is unlikely to change the near-certain outcome of the Republican primary, it could help Paul gain support among evangelical leaders, many of whom have been hesitant to support Romney. Jacobs, who has worked as a consultant for televangelist Billy Graham, told Business Insider that several evangelical leaders have started to express interest in talking to Paul in the wake of Rick Santorum's departure from the race.

Jacobs said he is now working with the Paul campaign to organize conference calls between the candidate and evangelical leaders. Christian television producer Justin Machacek, who also attended Wednesday's meeting, said he is working on arranging a larger meeting between Paul and other conservative Christian groups.

A relationship with Christian Right powerbrokers could give Ron Paul more leverage within the party, as Romney tries to unite the GOP after this year's divisive primary fight. It could also help broaden the Paul coalition, setting the stage for a future run by Paul's son, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul.

"100% of Christian leaders that I've talked to, do you know the one thing they like about Ron Paul? His son Rand Paul," Jacobs told Business Insider. "Every Christian leader will say, 'You know I'm not quite sure if Ron Paul can win the nomination'…but in the same breath, they tag it with, "But I sure do like the way his son has followed him.'"



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RE: HSIG - Video: Jerusalem's Saturday Of Light
4/15/2012 5:52:08 PM
Hello Friends,

Close to 10.000 Christians attended the ancient holy fire ceremony at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem during their Easter celebrations.

The article below and video show the celebrations and explain the ceremony in detail. I would like to add that only in Israel are Christians both Israeli and foreign visitors able to freely celebrate the Christian holidays in the Middle East. We are all witness to the discrimination of Christians, murder, forced conversions and worse in most muslim countries.

Shalom,

Peter

Video: Jerusalem's Saturday of light

By HADAS PARUSH
04/15/2012 10:59

Thousands of pilgrims attend ancient fire ceremony in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

Woman gazes at Holy Fire on Holy Saturday
Photo: Hadas Parush


Around 10,000 Christian pilgrims attended the Holy Fire ceremony in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem on Saturday, during the Easter celebrations in the Old City.

The Church of the Holy Sepulcher is believed to house the sites of Christ’s crucifixion, entombment, and resurrection. It is believed that every year on Holy Saturday, the day preceding Orthodox Easter, a flame miraculously appears inside the chamber of Christ’s tomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzPdDx5uPYE&feature=player_embedded



During the annual ritual that dates back to the 4th century, the Greek patriarch and an Armenian Orthodox priest entered the chamber of the site of the Christ’s tomb, and emerged with candles lit by the Holy Fire.

With their candles lit, clerics and pilgrims quickly rushed outside to pass the flames onto other congregants holding candles in the church who then also pass it on from one person to another.



The church and its surrounding areas were heavily guarded by the IDF and Israeli border police, who tried to organize the crowds spilling into the narrow alleyways of the Old City. Each officer was equipped with a fire extinguisher and paramedics were on site, occasionally helping a dehydrated person out of the crowds.

The thousands of faintly but determined believers made it through nearly three hours of pushing and being pushed down the alleyways of the Old City. This was followed by at least two more hours of waiting inside the church in tight crowded spaces enclosed by Israeli officers; all in order to reach the fire which they cherished to the last spark, touching the holy flames as if it were holy water.


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RE: HSIG - Dry Bones' On Negotiations With Iran
4/16/2012 7:30:44 AM
Hello Friends,

The negotiations between the G5+1 and the Iranians that took place in Turkey last week was another "gift" of more time for the Iranians to carry on with their nuclear program.

The Western leaders said progress was made but of course failed to mention exactly what that progress was. The Iranians before and after the meetings said it's business as usual for them and they once again succeeded in postponing the inevitable. The inevitable BTW can be seen in two different ways, one from the West's point of view and the other from the Iranian point of view.

1. The west will finally understand that Iran has no intention of complying with their demands and that the only option left on the table is a military attack.

2. Due to all the "negotiations" and delays caused by them Iran will succeed with their plan and become a nuclear power.

Which "inevitable" do you prefer?

Here's Dry Bones' take on these negotiations.

Shalom,

Peter


Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock ...


-Dry Bones- Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973


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RE: HSIG - Netanyahu Blasts Obama's Iran 'Freebie'
4/18/2012 5:18:02 AM
Hello Friends,

The west has once again played into the hands of the lunatic Iranian regime. After the latest farcical meetings in Turkey between the G5+1 and Iran nothing was achieved aside from declarations that "progress" was achieved? Progress????What progress? No one really said but they did schedule further meetings in May for more progress.

The truth be told there was progress but not in the direction the western G5+1 with B Hussein agents at the helm are implying. The Iranians were given TIME to PROGRESS with their nuke program. By accomplishing nothing and doing nothing they were given TIME to carry on business as usual.

B Hussein also accomplished his goal to put off any real decisions prior the November elections. I will remind him that Israel didn't agree to postpone any plans she might have while they are playing the "diplomatic/negotiations game" which accomplishes nothing and the only winners here are the Iranians and B Hussein.

Not surprisingly PM Netanyahu thinks the Iranians were given a "freebie" to carry on with their nuke program by these useless talks and logic prevails that he is right on target.

The old saying "time is money" applies here but just exchange the money with "nuke program" and that is progress and a great accomplishment for the Iranians. Dry Bones expressed it so well in his comment in my previous post - "Tick Tock, Tick Tock".

Shalom,

Peter

Netanyahu Blasts Obama's Iran 'Freebie'



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President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are at odds over last week's multi-nation talks with Iran in Istanbul, with Netanyahu suggesting that the rest of the world had merely given Iran a "freebie."

The talks--attended by the U.S., China, Germany, Britain, France, and Russia--concluded with the parties agreeing to meet again on May 23, with no further resolutions achieved. To Netanyahu, that meant Iran had merely been able to play for additional time to enrich uranium and develop nuclear weapons.

"My initial impression is that Iran has been given a freebie," Netanyahu was reported to have said on April 15.

President Obama responded Sunday, defending his diplomatic strategy. "We’re not going to have these talks just drag out in a stalling process, but so far at least, we haven’t given away anything," he told reporters.

"Part of the reason we’ve been able to build a strong international coalition that isolates Iran around the nuclear issue is because the world has confidence that I’ve been sincere and my administration has been sincere about giving Iran an opportunity to pursue peaceful nuclear energy while foreclosing the pursuit of a nuclear weapon," Obama said, according to Politico.

The U.S. and Israel have differed recently over how to approach Iran, with the Obama administration showing a willingness to accept a "peaceful" Iranian nuclear program, and leaking Israeli defense plans to pre-empt an Israeli pre-emptive attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

Israel--which has far less margin for error--has shown increasing impatience with what it sees as Obama's obstinate pursuit of international consensus at the price of allowing Iran more time to develop its nuclear program--and to defend against possible attack.


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