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RE: Human Shields In Gaza- The Price of a Koran
3/9/2012 12:20:35 PM
Hello Friends,

Daniel Greenfield's article "The Price of a koran" is another Greenfield masterpiece. Daniel covers most of the relevant issues but I will add a few comments of my own.

B Hussein and his administration apologized non stop for a couple of days. B Hussein the professional apologist went so far as to say his apologies "calmed things down". That would mean that the price of a koran is 'only' six American soldiers lives and if he hadn't apologized it would have been more and he's willing to accept that price.

I wonder what it'll take for the moron in the WH to understand that the more you appease the more they demand? I wonder when he'll finally understand that appeasing and apologizing in the Islamic/muslim mindset equals weakness and their demands will only get greater with each bow and apology?

Another option is he understands all this very well and it's all part of his Islamic agenda. Don't forget he 'was' a muslim and raised as a muslim in a muslim country.

Back to the vile koran. It's a book full of hate and butchery. The big mo who authored this book was a murderer, pedophile, pervert, slaver and much more. When he wrote the book he copied from Judaism, Christianity, pagan religions, almost every religion that existed at the time the big mo wrote the book. Basically it's a book that when you consider the amount of hate in it and the numerous demands to kill all infidels if they refuse to convert to this so called religion that it can be compared and equated to Hitler's Mein Kampf. Both hate books declare they're the top of the food chain and all others are subservient to them. Both have ultimate solutions for the non believers. The sooner people realize all this the better.

As usual Daniel Greenfield's article is well thought out and covers the question "the price of a koran" very well. An excellent and must read.

Shalom,

Peter

The Price of a Koran

Posted by Bio ↓ on Mar 7th, 2012

What does a Koran cost? You can get a full color one for the Kindle for only 99 cents, just don’t expect it to feature any pictures of old Mo. If you want to go deluxe, you can get a hardcover edition that runs three different translations side by side for around 40 bucks. But if you want to be more practical about it, the price of a Koran is the lives of six American soldiers.

That butcher’s bill doesn’t count the soldiers who burned the Korans, who despite following procedure will be penalized on orders of the White House which thinks that punishing American soldiers will somehow satisfy the Koran fueled bloodlust of men who aren’t satisfied with their corpses.

The nature of the marketplace of human affairs is that a thing is worth what we will pay for it. Once upon a time Americans decided to pay any price for freedom. The price was high, but they got what they paid for… at least for a season or two. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were works of freedom written in blood. They made a free nation possible because that nation was willing to pay the price for them.

Muslims are equally willing to pay the price in blood for slavery, their own slavery and ours, for a book of slavery, written by an owner and abuser of slaves, who created a religion of slaves, where the optimal position was to stand on as many people as possible while reaching for heaven.

The men who fought to make us free placed value on their lives. The men who fight to enslave us place little value on their own. Whatever material pleasures they enjoy in this life, little girls, hashish and wealth, will be vastly improved upon in the afterlife. And they buy their way into that afterlife by killing us, as they have been doing for over a thousand years.

Each of their murders imposes their religion on us. They impose their notion of what is important and what isn’t important. Twenty years ago no one would have cared a fig for a burned Koran or a cartoon of Mo. Today either one earns you an accusation of endangering the lives of American soldiers and inciting violence. Dress up as Zombie Mohammed and Judge Mark Martin will tell you that in a Muslim country you would get the death penalty. That’s not the way it works here. Yet.

What’s the price of a Koran? Whatever Muslims see fit to charge us for it and whatever our leaders are willing to pay. Not just in lives or ranks of men who were risking their lives in the way that B. Hussein could not even begin to imagine, but in the big picture appeasement.

At the store of international and domestic affairs in Washington DC, Muslims haul up a bunch of corpses and in return we pay them with all sorts of concessions, both tangible and intangible. Cartoons stop appearing in newspapers. Books don’t get printed. Presidents attend Iftar dinners. Muslims get appointed to high positions. NASA gets retooled into a Muslim empowerment agency. And all of that isn’t enough because the blood price never gets paid.

The essence of the vendetta is that it is eternal. It can only be resolved by marriage, by mingling two bloods into a single clan. If we agree to become Muslims, we can be part of their clan. Without that we are forever the targets of their rage, inferior in their minds, yet materially superior, despised in the Koran, but somewhat triumphant in land and wealth. A religious paradox that can only be resolved by subjugating us or by converting us.

This hasn’t stopped us from trying to meet the blood price anyway, instead of imposing our own. The blood of free men goes on dripping into the sewers of Kabul or Baghdad and a hundred other places and the Jihad hums along. Slowly and deliberately we learn to censor ourselves, adopting the habits of the Dhimmi, kowtowing to our masters, praising their learning, their wisdom and above all their mercy. If they have gone a day without killing us, does it not show what a peaceful people they are?

Without going through the formalities of reciting the Shahada or donning the Burqa, we are becoming slaves. Our leaders have sold our rights to pay the blood price, our cultural elites are eagerly teaching us the habits and mindset of slavery. To always obey, to never question and to know that our Muslim masters are always right. If they kill us, then we have done something to deserve it. If they fly planes into our buildings, it is time for some soul searching. If they go mad and kill, that is an expression of the pain and suffering that we have made them feel.

We apologize not because we have done anything wrong, but because they are angry. And every time they are angry, we know that we have done something wrong. Like dogs, our leaders develop the moral reflex of a newspaper across the nose, accepting that they are guilty when Muslims carry out violence. The worse the violence, the more they apologize.

What is the price of a Koran? It’s any price that we are willing to pay. It can be six soldiers or six hundred or six hundred thousand. There is no set exchange so the potential price is only limited by how much we are willing to bleed without fighting back. Slaves will endure anything, free men will not. The Declaration of Independence was a bill drawn up and sent back with the firm statement that free men would no longer pay this price.

Governments that do not recognize the freedom of men from government view them and their freedoms as assets to dispose of. If the price of peace be our freedoms, they will pay the price. If the price be Sharia law, they will pay it. And why not, what’s one more oppressive and repressive legal system on top of the existing one?

Between the primitive feudalism of the Muslim world and the postmodern feudalism of Western socialism is a consensus that human freedom is secondary to the rule of the enlightened and the purity of the ideology that serves as the wellspring of their power. The Mullah and the Eurocrat are both seeking a perfect world which is only perfect because the rulers have all the power and the ruled have none.

The Muslim is dying for the Koran and the American soldier is dying to bring tolerance and civil rights to them. While the Koran beaters are encouraged to kill for their beliefs, the American serviceman is encouraged to be a good soldier by dying without a fuss rather than cause any civilian casualties. That would only increase the blood price, infuriate the followers of Mo and cause more deaths.

It works both ways. We are just as capable of setting the price of our freedom above that of a Koran. All we have to do as a nation is say it and mean it. All we have to do is replace the price of a Koran with the price of freedom. The men who pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to the cause of freedom would have done it. Instead our leaders have pledged our lives and fortunes to the cause of Muslim freedom from regimes that inhibited them from making the Koran into the 100 percent law of the land, instead of only the 60 or 70 percent law of the land.

How do you set the price of a Koran? It’s easy. You just decide that life is not worth living if someone torches a Koran, disrespects your prophet or otherwise doesn’t show the full and proper respect to your religion. When enough people feel the same way and are willing to kill and die over it, then the price is set.

A hundred years ago our leaders would have held them to that price. Today we try to buy our way out and sue for peace by way of apologies and appeasement. This doesn’t meet the price, it only inflates it as the laws of supply and demand tend to do. The more we are willing to pay for a Koran, the more its worshipers will charge us for it, with no upward limit.

Their bloodlust is an aspect of their sense of honor and like all merchants, they cannot consider letting anything go at a bargain price, so long as the other party continues raising the bid. The more we feed their honor with appeasement, the more their honor grows until they fancy themselves kings and caliphs of the world. And when they demand that, our leaders bomb anyone in their way, roll out the red carpet for Muslim democracy and cheer the new Caliphate. And still the blood price isn’t met.

Honor killings really aren’t about honor and blood prices aren’t about blood. They’re about power and the worthlessness of the men who would wield it. The more worthless and backward the country, the greater and pricklier is its sense of honor. Afghanistan has more honor per square mile than goats, microchips and living girls. Having become slaves to Islam, they brandish it as a banner, having convinced themselves that they could only be slaves to something truly noble and great.

To convince themselves of the high price of their submission, they kill us, they kill their daughters and they kill each other. The blood price of the Koran is as endless as their own worthlessness and just as irredeemable. The price can never be paid, because there are two priceless things, that which has no price because it is beyond value and that which has no price because it is worthless.

Unlike the Koran, our freedom is priceless because it is beyond price. The lives of our sons and daughters are equally priceless. And if we allow them to be sold for the price of a Koran, then it is we who have forsaken our sacred honor.

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
3/9/2012 1:46:56 PM
Hello Peter,

I have found out that the shuts that move fluids from my brain to my body are doing OK for now, but I am still having problems with problems associated to the trauma I experienced awhile back. I will be seeing a neurologist next and we will probably get additional info. Meanwhile I will be free to drive normally again as it is not likely that I could go into a seizure.

This situation with Obama has gotten beyond the pale. Our priorities are seemingly not his and he has taken numerous liberties that our leaders would not have taken in the past. They say that our oil production has risen while consumption has fallen. Of course the price has doubled as the oil companies move their supply off shore to other markets that are willing to pay the premium price on the world market. While the Democrat Party claims we cannot drill our way out of the energy problem and while they have shut down exploration and drilling offshore and on federal lands the increases in production are on private lands and the result of the deals hammered out during the Bush Presidency. Of course Obama tkes credit for this as he has no way of shutting the wells down.

Obama and his bunch have been anti oil, coal and natural gas for years and their failure to develop our resources is based on the fact that it won't help today. Twenty or more years ago they started this and had they made the right choices then our national security would be assured. So they again are talking about taping the energy reserve again to lower the prices. Meanwhile we are in a situation where the Arabs - Muslims would shut down oil and then how long would a depleted reserve last in time of calamity?

A lot of people are just staying home these days as the cost of our food and other items are going up and up. Much of which can be tied to the weakened dollar as Barack's printing presses are working overtime and the Chinese Loan Sharks are becoming number runners to keep us afloat. Mean while they are now talking about the hundreds of millions of dollars it will take to make the UN inhabitable. It is of course rat infested and the foreign stench is a problem as well. We should just vacate it and implode the building. Send the thieves that work there home after emptying their pockets and bank accounts.

Of course I am and will remain pro Israel but the rest should be cut off and means tested. During my times abroad I have noticed that the Chinese don't give money away to be sucked up by tin horn Dictators without assuring their own interests.

We can only hope that the people we are surrounded by will do the right things in order to right our countries and security. I fear that we are approaching the last stand and that the have nots that rely of the dole will cause the utopian island we inhabit to capsize.

Have a good day and yes it is good to know that there are others that know right from wrong.

Rick
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
3/10/2012 4:57:19 PM
Hi Rick,

B Hussein has done so much damage to the US it's mind boggling. From foreign relations -embracing America's enemies and throwing friends and allies under the bus to his socialist/Marxist/Islamic agendas.

His apologetics, bowing, closing off oil production in the USA and supporting other countries oil explorations on the tax payers dime. Killing the Keystone pipeline and opening the way for the Chinese to benefit from the less expensive oil. Surrounding himself with progressive liberal extreme left wing advisers and muslin brotherhood supporters. The list is endless and I can literally go on and on.

This is the most despicable president America's ever known bar none and that's saying a lot when peanut brain Carter headed the list before.

Rick there are more of us then you think out there that know right from wrong and good from bad. We're growing and they're losing adherents to they're failed programs and ideologies.

Shalom,

Peter

P.S. I just saw Marilyn's picture popping up. Give her my regards and it would be good to see her back and active again.

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Hello Peter,

I have found out that the shuts that move fluids from my brain to my body are doing OK for now, but I am still having problems with problems associated to the trauma I experienced awhile back. I will be seeing a neurologist next and we will probably get additional info. Meanwhile I will be free to drive normally again as it is not likely that I could go into a seizure.

This situation with Obama has gotten beyond the pale. Our priorities are seemingly not his and he has taken numerous liberties that our leaders would not have taken in the past. They say that our oil production has risen while consumption has fallen. Of course the price has doubled as the oil companies move their supply off shore to other markets that are willing to pay the premium price on the world market. While the Democrat Party claims we cannot drill our way out of the energy problem and while they have shut down exploration and drilling offshore and on federal lands the increases in production are on private lands and the result of the deals hammered out during the Bush Presidency. Of course Obama tkes credit for this as he has no way of shutting the wells down.

Obama and his bunch have been anti oil, coal and natural gas for years and their failure to develop our resources is based on the fact that it won't help today. Twenty or more years ago they started this and had they made the right choices then our national security would be assured. So they again are talking about taping the energy reserve again to lower the prices. Meanwhile we are in a situation where the Arabs - Muslims would shut down oil and then how long would a depleted reserve last in time of calamity?

A lot of people are just staying home these days as the cost of our food and other items are going up and up. Much of which can be tied to the weakened dollar as Barack's printing presses are working overtime and the Chinese Loan Sharks are becoming number runners to keep us afloat. Mean while they are now talking about the hundreds of millions of dollars it will take to make the UN inhabitable. It is of course rat infested and the foreign stench is a problem as well. We should just vacate it and implode the building. Send the thieves that work there home after emptying their pockets and bank accounts.

Of course I am and will remain pro Israel but the rest should be cut off and means tested. During my times abroad I have noticed that the Chinese don't give money away to be sucked up by tin horn Dictators without assuring their own interests.

We can only hope that the people we are surrounded by will do the right things in order to right our countries and security. I fear that we are approaching the last stand and that the have nots that rely of the dole will cause the utopian island we inhabit to capsize.

Have a good day and yes it is good to know that there are others that know right from wrong.

Rick
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RE: HSIG- Daniel Greenfield: Learning to Love Big Brotherhood
3/11/2012 8:56:48 AM
Hello Friends,

The Muslim Brotherhood won in the parliamentary elections and once the presidential elections will take place will officially take over the government ....... unless the Army decides otherwise.

The Muslim Brotherhood's plan for world domination under a caliphate is well known by now but as usual totally ignored by MSM and western leaders and of course B Hussein.

B Hussein was involved in the Egyptian revolution and that started with his infamous Cairo speech. He expressly invited the then outlawed Muslim Brotherhood to his speech and even reserved the first 2 rows for them. This was done against the wishes of Mubarak who was a US ally and ultimately thrown under the bus by B Hussein. Yep, Mubarak's overthrow was planned and the fraud and great pretender was involved using the guise of "Democracy" which is alien to Islam, the koran and shariah law. Islam doesn't recognize democracy and the Imams have said numerous times democracy has no place in Islam.

Daniel Greenfield wrote an extremely interesting article about the wests acceptance of the MB and why. It's an eyeopener and a very interesting read.

Shalom,

Peter

Learning to Love Big Brotherhood

The Arab Spring, like the banking system and the national debt, has become too big to fail. The “too big to fail” label mandates the cover-up of a bad policy that has too many influential people, movements and countries tied into it to allow anyone to admit that the whole thing has gone pear-shaped.

The only way to deny the failure of the Arab Spring as a means for creating a better and freer region is by embracing its disastrous consequences. In other words, goodbye, Egyptian Twitter activists; hello, Muslim Brotherhood.

The triumph of Islamic parties in Egypt and Tunisia leaves Western “Springers” with only two choices: to either admit that the whole thing is a disaster and that the brakes need to be applied or learn to love the Brotherhood. Senator McCain’s delegation to Egypt, which included Senator Lindsay Graham, praised the Brotherhood for its opposition to the laws that the International Republican Institute activists ran afoul of in aiding the overthrow of Mubarak.

It’s not quite an endorsement of the Brotherhood, it’s something worse—it’s an endorsement of the process that brought the Brotherhood to power. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a supporter of foreign funded regime change, unless it’s a foreign funded regime change that brings them to power. When the Brotherhood is wielding absolute power, then IRI activists won’t merely be prevented from leaving the country, they’ll be put on trial and face the death penalty, like Amir Mirzaei Hekmati in Iran or they’ll be attacked in public like Abdel-Moneim Aboul-Fotouh, a splinter Brotherhood candidate.

Reasonable people who find themselves on the same side as a genocidal organization like the Muslim Brotherhood would check twice to see if they really are doing the right thing. McCain, however, keeps pushing the regime change button, this time in Syria where the militias are already brandishing Al-Qaeda flags. McCain rightly points out that losing Syria would weaken Iran, but gaining Syria would strengthen the Brotherhood.

The “Springers” are unwilling to admit the possibility even while the Al-Nahda party is crushing unions in Tunisia, and Egyptian Islamists are burning Coptic Christians out of their homes. The Libyan capital is in the grip of the militias, and the anti-torture McCain, who endorsed intervention in Libya, can stop by to witness the militias he supported torturing former members of the regime and anyone with black skin.

There has yet to be a single positive outcome in any of the Arab Spring countries where the government was overthrown. Egypt is now mortgaged to the Brotherhood, Tunisia, to its Al-Nahda cousins and Libya may fall to a former Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist-group-turned Brotherhood proxy. Yemen is starting to look a whole lot like Afghanistan. Contrary to “Springer” dogma, the healthiest countries in the region are those which managed to outlast the seasonal pressures of the Arab Spring.

If the Arab Spring were an experiment, it has indisputably failed. The Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov said of Communism that if it were an experiment, he would regret subjecting even a frog to it. The Arab Spring has already subjected approximately 100 million people to this particular experiment, not counting the collateral damage in nearby countries like Israel, which will have to live next door to a Sunni Iran. But the experimenters seem determined to keep cutting open frogs until they successfully graft an Islamic green-banded poison toad onto a democratic fire-bellied bullfrog.

The future for women and minorities in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya is already about as grim as possible. The exodus of Coptic Christians in the wake of riots and church burnings would be described as ethnic cleansing if the media and the political establishment were not busy covering up the consequences of the “too big to fail” Arab Spring.

While Hillary Clinton was holding a photo op meeting with “young Tunisians” to discuss the future of democracy in the region, the Al-Nahda regime was suppressing a union protest over attacks on union offices. Had a protests of thousands taken place under the old Ben Ali government, it would have been front page news and proof positive that regime change must take place, but under Al-Nahda rule, it’s only another footnote. Like the 150,000 Copts who are headed for the exit in Egypt.

Last month, Tunisia’s new president Moncef Marzouk received a golden key to a mosque in Jerusalem from a Hamas leader. This month he shook hands with Hillary Clinton. She also met with Prime Minister Hamadi Jebali who had pledged, “The conquest of Jerusalem will set out from here, Allah willing” and described his party as the sixth caliphate. She did not, however, meet with Al-Nahda leader Rashid al-Ghannushi, who has stated that there are no civilians in Israel, declaring, “The population—males, females, and children—are the army reserve soldiers, and thus can be killed.”

As the Arab Spring is too big to fail, the Al-Nahda ghouls are invariably described as “moderate Islamists” in the press. If genocide makes you a moderate Islamist, it’s an open question of what you have to believe to be an “extremist Islamist.”

Some four centuries ago an Elizabethan courtier scathingly observed, “Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.” In the Arab Spring, extremism can never prosper, for if it prospers, none dare call it extremism.

The Brotherhood and Al-Nahda are all “moderates” now. Along with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. Any group that comes to power as a result of the Arab Spring must be considered democratic and moderate, for if it isn’t, suddenly the Arab Spring is no longer democratic or moderate.

Continuing to support the Arab Spring requires more than just revisionist history, it forces its proponents to accept the victories of Al-Nahda and the Muslim Brotherhood as not merely lawful, but as the outcome that the Arab Spring was intended to bring about all along. Like the boy who accidentally throws a baseball through a neighbor’s window, the “Springers” have to pretend that this was what they wanted to happen.

The new narrative of the Arab Spring is that it will usher in an era of Islamic democracy. The window isn’t broken; it is ushering in a new era of greater transparency and airflow into the front yard.

At the end of Orwell’s 1984, Winston Smith wins a victory over himself by learning to love Big Brother.

“Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache,” Smith thinks. But it has not taken the “Springers” that long to discover the kind smile lurking under the dark mustaches of the Brotherhood. In less than a year, the proponents of Arab democracy are already winning their own victory over themselves by learning to love Big Brotherhood.

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RE: HSIG-
3/12/2012 6:49:13 AM
Hello Friends,

As many of you might know, over the past weekend over 130 rockets, mortars and bombs were fired into the Southern part of Israel. Hamas is escalating the jihadi terrorist attacks with this continued bombings. Interestingly enough when Israel retaliates they go running and ask for a cease fire which when declared they immediately fire some more rockets and bombs.

I'll make a bet you didn't see much coverage by the MSM but you most probably saw reports about Israel's retaliation without much mention of the cause for the retaliatory attacks which is par for the course in the biased progressive liberal MSM.

The latest Dry Bones is a Middle East quiz that asks the politically incorrect question why the terrorist Hamas is bombing Israel? You'd do well to read the article beneath the cartoon.

Shalom,

Peter




Today's cartoon is a "Middle East Quiz Show". Yes, Gazans are launching missiles at Israeli towns, cities, and villages. Because they can.
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Meanwhile, just in from in another part of the Middle East, according to Reuters:
Iraqi Shi’ite militia stone youths to death for Western-style “emo” punk clothes

"At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shi’ite militants against youths wearing Western-style “emo” clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.

Militants in Shi’ite neighborhoods where the stonings have taken place circulated lists on Saturday naming more youths targeted to be killed if they do not change the way they dress."

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