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Jo Anne Green

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - Hamas Accused Of Torturing Palestinians
2/11/2009 10:09:29 AM

Sunny Greetings from California, Peter!

Just a quick note to bring to the readers of this special thread the face of Hamas Children. I am certain that you have seen these photos, but many readers of this forum may not have seen them.

In any case, it is hard to believe that any loving parents would allow their children to be trained as future terrorists.





 
(Source: Unknown Photographers)

These photos remind me of the following statement on peace made by Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir before the National Press Club in Washington in 1957:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Until next time--


Stay Safe, Stay Well, and Shalom!

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - Hamas Accused Of Torturing Palestinians
2/11/2009 11:32:47 AM
Hello Peter and Everyone around here :-)

It has been a while since I last posted here, however I followed the posts and read all of them; thank you all for giving me the chance to understand WHY's a bit better! I'm not  knowledgeable person with respect of any war and this one is no exception.

Of course I followed many others too and I can see everyone concerned of the many children, which are innocent victims of this war! I agree it shouldn't happen any of these to any person in the world and mostly to children!

... BUT ... there is a question rising in my mind:
WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WHEN SOME "COURAGEOUS TERRORIST WARRIORS"
CHOOSE to use children for their own PROTECTION?! ... and I bet these WARRIORS are fighting for the same kids to have a future and peace! ... or what?! ... this is more than REVOLTING! ... how many children are they willing to sacrifice and for what?!

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO FIGHT LIKE THIS! DO THEY LOVE ANYONE IF THEY DON'T LOVE THEIR OWN KIDS?!
ISN'T A PARENT SUPPOSE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND CONCERNED FOR HIS OWN KID'S WELL BEING ... AND LIFE?! WITHOUT LIFE WHAT KIND OF WELL BEING ... well, I better stop as this is only me: a common parent BUT which would NEVER PERMIT my kids to be taken and taught to handle a gun to fight, nor to allow some one to hid behind them! I would better die than to put them in danger for even a second!

OK! ... here are more than just "A QUESTION"

I think GOLDA MEIR was so right; but they will never do until they they learn to RESPECT LIFE!
Seemingly all they RESPECT is TERROR!

... wow, and I thought I have nothing to ad about this topic! ... huh!

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - Hamas Accused Of Torturing Palestinians
2/11/2009 4:34:11 PM
Hello Friends,

Once again I find that I have to respond to my good friend Geo's other thread for inaccuracies and for purposely misleading  his readers. In this case not so much for content but for his misleading subject line "Orthodox Jews Against Zionists" (A must read).

One could understand from the subject line that all Orthodox Jews are against Zionism and the State of Israel. Nothing can be farther from the truth. The majority of the Orthodox Jews both in Israel and world wide support Israel and a small minority called the Neturei Karta are anti Zionist. They are a fringe group of fanatics and have no problem receiving Social Security for their large families and other Social payments but refuse to serve the country they live in that supports them financially. The virulent hatred of this group of fanatics can be witnessed by their participation in the Hate rallies in New York and elsewhere organized by Hamas supporters .

The rest of the Orthodox Jews fully support their country and I'm proud to say that they are some of our best soldiers and officers in the IDF. There is no difference between the orthodox Israeli and the secular Israeli other then the level of  observance of  the different Judaic laws.
Definitely not in their love of Israel and their willingness to do their all to defendand and support it.

Below please find a short article of the fringe fanatical group Neturei Karta with a link for those that wish to read more about it.

Shalom,

Peter

Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: נטורי קרתא, "Guardians of the City"), also self-identifying by the English name Jews United Against Zionism, is a small Haredi Jewish group formally created in 1935, that opposes Zionism and calls for a dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah.[1] [2] They are mostly concentrated in Jerusalem, but also in and around Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet (or B) near Jerusalem, and Bnei Brak. Most others associated with Neturei Karta can be found in London, New York City, and other parts of New York, with smaller communities in various cities around North America.

According to Neturei Karta:

"The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta".[3]

In Israel some members also pray at affiliated beis midrash, in Jerusalem's Meah Shearim, neighborhood and in Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet. Neturei Karta states no official statistics exist about numbers.[4]. The Jewish Virtual Library, published by the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), puts their numbers at 5,000.[5]

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Amanda Martin-Shaver

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - PRESIDENT WITHDRAWS CHARGES AGAINST "USS COLE" MASTERMIND
2/11/2009 6:11:33 PM
Hello Peter,
I have got a little behind in the posts here, so I would like
to just back track a little and reply to Sava..

Hello Sava,

I believe Helen and I are kind of on the same wave length..

I am referring to bible prophesies for the benefit of our
readers that have access to the Holy Bible believing it to be
true and have quite a bit of knowledge to slight knowledge
to its content.

Their Muslim religion is 'religious' whereby they have to pray so many times per day facing (east I think) do certain things...
in other words they do not have 'free choice' their religion
is mandatory or compulsory...Do it or else you die, kind of
choice!!


The Muslims I am very much aware they do not follow the
Holy Bibles guidelines and content as they have their own version and their own god.

This god happens to take on many names, shapes and
forms - human, objects, idols, unclean spirits and the list
goes on  - he does not even care what name you give him - he is a counterfeit, a fraud, a lier, murderer, blasphemer and every ugly action or thought, or deed done in his name.
The radical and extreme Muslims have their own agenda - they believe that killing Jews and Christians and after wards
everyone else whom is not a Muslim is the only way for them
to get into their heaven.  They are blind and deaf to any
truth because they have been brainwashed from childhood
that their way is the only way and if these poor people should come upon the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ they would be
killed for leaving their Muslim religion.

Our God which is the Heavenly Father of Jews and Christian (one and the same God, yet we accept and acknowledge that the Jews are still waiting for their promised Messiah the Lord Jesus Christ whom Christians already believe has come and is alive) is the author of the Holy Bible, collectively we should be quite aware that any person, countries, nations and mobs of people join together in any way shape or form, come against the Jews they will be punished.  God has warned the human race of this punishment.

I hope you understand what I was talking about in this thread,
and I have managed to clear up any misunderstandings.

Amanda


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Re: Human Shields In Gaza - PRESIDENT WITHDRAWS CHARGES AGAINST "USS COLE" MASTERMIND
2/11/2009 11:48:41 PM
Hello Amanda
I'll tell you a short story about me, to understand better what I'm writing to you.
I'm 60, and I was born in a communist ideology cave (this is my own expression).
There is a category, which they name : moral politically aptitude, some kind of how much a person obey idea. It is not strange for you :)
As from my youth I was very sharp tongue, I was in situation to think about my material existence, and after graduating I worked more outside my country, this way gaining my material goods.
As I didn't want to leave my country, I used to do this way. My generation fellows, were or politically aptitude fit, or emigrated.
Good, obeying man, get a flat, house, good work position etc.

Now you wander, why I tell you all this.
Countries where I used to work, and earn very good money were Iraq or Libya, as well as UK.
So I was many years with our fellows in Allah :) in very close touch.
They have the same criteria of moral political aptitude like communist. They follow each other, denounce each other, rank each other by how many times bow sterile in a pray.
In fact, I never saw such many lies, such many thefts (proper thefts), as well so much leisure as in these places.

To be more explicit about their philosophy, i used to go Saturdays to my  general Manager, with a plan for next week. Than he used to ask me: why need this, why need that. Before signing approval. I tell for example: I need that one for tomorrow there and there. I could see his eyes upside down, and ask: Bukra? (tomorrow?). Then with a deep breath: In Shalah! (If God will).
This hope tell you everything. Thinking destructive is behaviour there.

I think I touched alive some things of you previous post.


Have a great time.

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