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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/15/2011 4:18:57 PM
Hi Jim,

This article and Greenfield's both are excellent and show how submissive the west has become before this supremacist ideology. You know your question why don't the Muslim gays, women and all the others oppressed stand up for their rights and protest in Saudi Arabia and the simple answer to that is that in Iran they did try and stand up for their rights and the west let them down and they were massacred in the thousands there twice since Ahmadinejad and Khameini stole the elections there.

So I guess you can say the Saudi people have no reason to believe they'll get any support from the west and for sure not from B Hussein and his regime.

Shalom,

Peter

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It appears time for all Muslim Gays, Women and the like to denounce Islam and stand up for their rights. Where are the riots in the street for gay rights in Saudi Arabia? There ain't none! They ain't allowed in Saudi lands and they definitely will never rise up and strike the snake that dines on them.

Nope no asylum here either. It ain't rocket science we need oil and the Saudis own our president so you don't have a safe haven here either.
What has America come to? Sharia?

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Hello Friends,

I thought this was quite amusing even though it's not a joke but definitely shows the duplicity of the fraud and great pretender B Hussein and his regime.

The denial of asylum to a gay Saudi diplomat who if returned to his native land would for sure insure his execution under Shariah law is questionable even if the ex diplomat has a checkered past as the DHS is now claiming. They've welcomed with open arms much more suspicious Muslims in general and even within their ranks. But this man does face execution and this makes his request a bit more serious.

A couple of questions arise though. Where are all the gay groups that are in total silence on this issue? Where are all the so called human rights groups who also remain silent?

The fact that B Hussein in the past showed his submission to the Saudi king when he bowed to him is an indication that anything goes with this guy and he doesn't want to piss the Saudi king off.

You can read more about it in the below article which originates from the Jerusalem post. I commented on this article and suggested that this gay ex Saudi diplomat request asylum from the Jewish State of Israel. :) They just might give him the asylum he needs. Israel has given asylum to Muslims in the past while many other countries ignored the tragic plight they were in. Different cases then this gay diplomat finds himself in but .......... who knows.

Shalom,

Peter


Dr. Phylis Chesler hits the nail on the head: "This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates."

An update on this story, in which Ali Ahmad Asseri said his life was in danger, but that Islam is tolerant. Just not of him, according to Sharia. "United States denies asylum to gay Saudi diplomat," by Benjamin Weinthal for the Jerusalem Post, November 12 (thanks to HG):

BERLIN – The United States government denied political asylum to Ali Ahmad Asseri, the former first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, last week to avoid disrupting US-Saudi relations, according to a Saudi-American blogger and journalist based in Brazil.
Asseri argued that if he returned to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia he would face execution because the country’s radically fundamental form of Islam mandates the death penalty for same-sex relations.
The Saudi-American journalist and blogger, Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, appears to have been the first writer to report on the asylum rejection. The possible deportation of Asseri to Saudi Arabia has electrified blog observers of the case over the last few days.
The Jerusalem Post’s e-mail and telephone attempts to secure on Saturday a confirmation and comment from the US State Department’s Middle East press section were not immediately returned.
In an e-mail response to the Post on Saturday, Abou-Alsamh, the Saudi-American blogger whose personal website "Rasheed's World" first broke the story about the denial of the asylum application, wrote, "As far as I know the US government has not yet officially commented on Asseri's denial of asylum, but from comments that I have read after I wrote my post, it seems that political asylum cases are often denied in first instance and then approved later when the applicant appeals."
He added: "I do think the US government is afraid of unnecessarily annoying the Saudis, especially now with all of the turmoil that the Arab world is going through because of the Arab Spring revolts."
Abou-Alsamh, who has written for The Washington Times and other US-based publications, reported on his website that Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi dissident in Washington, said in a phone interview that “This was a political decision by the Obama administration, who are afraid of upsetting the Saudis.”
“His initial interview with Homeland Security was very positive, but then they came back and grilled him for two days after they found out that he had worked in the public prosecutor’s office in Saudi Arabia,” Alsamh continued.
“He had been an inspector to make sure that judicial punishments, such as lashings, were carried out within the law – not more, not less. They then accused him of participating in a form of torture,” Ahmed said on Abou- Alamh’s website.
Ahmed said that Asseri intends to appeal the denial of his application and the process could meander its way through the judicial process over the next few years.
Last year, the US news organization MSNBC first reported on Asseri’s decision to remain in the United States. According to an article from the MSNBC national investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff: “Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed US Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman.”
In addition to his sexual orientation, Asseri’s friendship with a female Jewish Israeli appears to be a factor for concern if he returns to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh does not recognize Israel’s existence and there are no diplomatic relations between the two countries. The Saudi Kingdom’s media and educational books are steeped in hatred of Israel.
Stuart Appelbaum, a prominent gay rights activist in New York and head of the international trade union Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, wrote the Post by e-mail on Friday. “If the United States government refuses to grant asylum to a gay diplomat because it is afraid of the Saudi reaction, then the US will become complicit in his fate. It is exactly because of how Ahmad might be treated on his return to his homophobic and brutal land that the United States should grant him refuge.”
Appelbaum played a key role in the New York State legislative decision to pass a marriage law for same-sex couples this year.
Dr. Phyllis Chesler, a New York-based expert on gender relations, wrote the Post on Friday, “This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates.
“This decision refuses to countenance the reality of Islamic gender and religious apartheid and has chosen a ‘hands off’ policy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia’s persecution of ‘out’ gay men,” Chesler wrote.
Saudi Arabia’s government policy of lethal homophobia has sparked outrage over the years from some human rights activists.
The subject of state-sponsored murder of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities across the Muslim world has been a long neglected human-rights issue, according to NGO Monitor, the Jerusalem-based watchdog organization, which monitors the role of NGOs in the region, including Israel.

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/15/2011 4:22:11 PM
Well that is why their plight will never change. Because they depend on the west to stand and do their fighting instead of doing it for themselves. We stood up in Egypt and Libya and got the Muslim Brotherhood. The people have to want freedom not enslavement, which it seems they prefer someone taking care of them than to be free people.

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Hi Jim,

This article and Greenfield's both are excellent and show how submissive the west has become before this supremacist ideology. You know your question why don't the Muslim gays, women and all the others oppressed stand up for their rights and protest in Saudi Arabia and the simple answer to that is that in Iran they did try and stand up for their rights and the west let them down and they were massacred in the thousands there twice since Ahmadinejad and Khameini stole the elections there.

So I guess you can say the Saudi people have no reason to believe they'll get any support from the west and for sure not from B Hussein and his regime.

Shalom,

Peter

Quote:
It appears time for all Muslim Gays, Women and the like to denounce Islam and stand up for their rights. Where are the riots in the street for gay rights in Saudi Arabia? There ain't none! They ain't allowed in Saudi lands and they definitely will never rise up and strike the snake that dines on them.

Nope no asylum here either. It ain't rocket science we need oil and the Saudis own our president so you don't have a safe haven here either.
What has America come to? Sharia?

Quote:
Hello Friends,

I thought this was quite amusing even though it's not a joke but definitely shows the duplicity of the fraud and great pretender B Hussein and his regime.

The denial of asylum to a gay Saudi diplomat who if returned to his native land would for sure insure his execution under Shariah law is questionable even if the ex diplomat has a checkered past as the DHS is now claiming. They've welcomed with open arms much more suspicious Muslims in general and even within their ranks. But this man does face execution and this makes his request a bit more serious.

A couple of questions arise though. Where are all the gay groups that are in total silence on this issue? Where are all the so called human rights groups who also remain silent?

The fact that B Hussein in the past showed his submission to the Saudi king when he bowed to him is an indication that anything goes with this guy and he doesn't want to piss the Saudi king off.

You can read more about it in the below article which originates from the Jerusalem post. I commented on this article and suggested that this gay ex Saudi diplomat request asylum from the Jewish State of Israel. :) They just might give him the asylum he needs. Israel has given asylum to Muslims in the past while many other countries ignored the tragic plight they were in. Different cases then this gay diplomat finds himself in but .......... who knows.

Shalom,

Peter


Dr. Phylis Chesler hits the nail on the head: "This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates."

An update on this story, in which Ali Ahmad Asseri said his life was in danger, but that Islam is tolerant. Just not of him, according to Sharia. "United States denies asylum to gay Saudi diplomat," by Benjamin Weinthal for the Jerusalem Post, November 12 (thanks to HG):

BERLIN – The United States government denied political asylum to Ali Ahmad Asseri, the former first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, last week to avoid disrupting US-Saudi relations, according to a Saudi-American blogger and journalist based in Brazil.
Asseri argued that if he returned to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia he would face execution because the country’s radically fundamental form of Islam mandates the death penalty for same-sex relations.
The Saudi-American journalist and blogger, Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, appears to have been the first writer to report on the asylum rejection. The possible deportation of Asseri to Saudi Arabia has electrified blog observers of the case over the last few days.
The Jerusalem Post’s e-mail and telephone attempts to secure on Saturday a confirmation and comment from the US State Department’s Middle East press section were not immediately returned.
In an e-mail response to the Post on Saturday, Abou-Alsamh, the Saudi-American blogger whose personal website "Rasheed's World" first broke the story about the denial of the asylum application, wrote, "As far as I know the US government has not yet officially commented on Asseri's denial of asylum, but from comments that I have read after I wrote my post, it seems that political asylum cases are often denied in first instance and then approved later when the applicant appeals."
He added: "I do think the US government is afraid of unnecessarily annoying the Saudis, especially now with all of the turmoil that the Arab world is going through because of the Arab Spring revolts."
Abou-Alsamh, who has written for The Washington Times and other US-based publications, reported on his website that Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi dissident in Washington, said in a phone interview that “This was a political decision by the Obama administration, who are afraid of upsetting the Saudis.”
“His initial interview with Homeland Security was very positive, but then they came back and grilled him for two days after they found out that he had worked in the public prosecutor’s office in Saudi Arabia,” Alsamh continued.
“He had been an inspector to make sure that judicial punishments, such as lashings, were carried out within the law – not more, not less. They then accused him of participating in a form of torture,” Ahmed said on Abou- Alamh’s website.
Ahmed said that Asseri intends to appeal the denial of his application and the process could meander its way through the judicial process over the next few years.
Last year, the US news organization MSNBC first reported on Asseri’s decision to remain in the United States. According to an article from the MSNBC national investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff: “Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed US Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman.”
In addition to his sexual orientation, Asseri’s friendship with a female Jewish Israeli appears to be a factor for concern if he returns to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh does not recognize Israel’s existence and there are no diplomatic relations between the two countries. The Saudi Kingdom’s media and educational books are steeped in hatred of Israel.
Stuart Appelbaum, a prominent gay rights activist in New York and head of the international trade union Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, wrote the Post by e-mail on Friday. “If the United States government refuses to grant asylum to a gay diplomat because it is afraid of the Saudi reaction, then the US will become complicit in his fate. It is exactly because of how Ahmad might be treated on his return to his homophobic and brutal land that the United States should grant him refuge.”
Appelbaum played a key role in the New York State legislative decision to pass a marriage law for same-sex couples this year.
Dr. Phyllis Chesler, a New York-based expert on gender relations, wrote the Post on Friday, “This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates.
“This decision refuses to countenance the reality of Islamic gender and religious apartheid and has chosen a ‘hands off’ policy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia’s persecution of ‘out’ gay men,” Chesler wrote.
Saudi Arabia’s government policy of lethal homophobia has sparked outrage over the years from some human rights activists.
The subject of state-sponsored murder of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities across the Muslim world has been a long neglected human-rights issue, according to NGO Monitor, the Jerusalem-based watchdog organization, which monitors the role of NGOs in the region, including Israel.

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RE: HSIG - Peace In Our Time?????
11/15/2011 4:22:36 PM
Hello Friends,

The below article is very interesting and written by "Dr. Yasser 'Dasmabebi' a Muslim linguist". It's one of the best descriptions of Islam the religion of "peace and love" I've seen lately.
The satiric bent is mixed with sarcasm and makes it very easy to understand.


The article shows how dangerous they are but MSM and the world leaders prefer submitting to their lunatic demands and supremacist ideology.

Shalom,

Peter

Peace In Our Time

Posted by Dr. Yasser Dasmabebi Bio ↓ on Nov 15th, 2011

Dr. Yasser Dasmabebi holds the Edward Said-Noam Chomsky Linguistics Chair at Abdul Abulbul Amir University in Cairo. He is also presently serving as Visiting Professor at the I. S. Skavar Institute in Moscow.

Why did I become a linguist? I seem to have inherited the traditional Arabic love of language and poetry. As Phillip Hitti wrote in his book, History of the Arabs:

No people in the world manifest such enthusiastic admiration for literary expression and are so moved by the word, spoken or written, as the Arabs. Modern audiences in Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo can be stirred to the highest degree by the recital of poems.

Ah! Who could fail to be stirred by the rhythms and melodies of thousands of poetry lovers marching down the streets of our cities chanting in unison:

Death To America!
Death to the Great Satan!
Death To Israel!
Death to the Little Satan!

And naturally, as our Palestinian national culture has exploded onto the world stage (so to speak) and now has come to embody a more mature wisdom and calm that anyone can plainly see in the conduct of public life in Palestine, the appreciation for the use of language to the fullest extent of purity of purpose, clarity of vision, subtle nuance, harmonic overtone, mellifluous allusions have likewise matured and deepened. All this inspires a linguistic heart such as mine to sing!

So, in the service of creating a discourse for which the expression of the yearning for peace and brotherly love are the ultimate fulfillment, and for which Palestinian society is universally known, I have compiled a short, though naturally far-from-complete, list of quotations from notable Palestinian political and devout religious leaders — almost all of whose salaries are paid by Palestinian governing bodies, and whose money is therefore donated by European and American governments, and thus by you, the taxpayers — SHUKRAN! –, who yearn for nothing more than a Jew-free country living in peace and harmony, so that we can return to our first love: reading and reciting beautiful poetry.

I must ask your forbearance, for many of these statements inevitably lose a bit of their inherent beauty and majesty in translation. Furthermore, it is far from easy to compile such a list, the more for what must be omitted than for what may be included, there being such a plethora of rich material. Please consider mine but a meager offering, a beginning, and, more importantly, a small contribution to the dream of Peace in Our Time.

In honor of our grand poetic tradition, I must begin with a venerable work, already cited this week at FrontPage Magazine:

3-1-44: Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem: “Arise, Oh Sons of Arabia! Fight for your sacred rights. Slaughter Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, our history and our religion. That will save our honor.” (The Grand Mufti, a true prophet, was fighting the occupation a full 23 years before it began!)

– 2006: Yasser Ghalban, Hamas leader: “The Jihad for Allah is the way of the truth and the way for salvation and the way which will lead us to crush the Jews…”

– 12-3-2008: Imam Safwat Higazi: “Dispatch those sons of apes and pigs to the Hellfire on the wings of Qassam rockets.”

– 5-15-2009: Dr Wafa Musa, psychologist (!): “The Jews deserved their annihilation by Hitler.”

– 9-1-09: PA Presidential advisor Omar Al-Ghoul: “Israel is a rogue country trafficking in the organs of Palestinians it kills.” (Note — notice the beautiful congruence of the poet’s name — “al- Ghoul” — with the content of his speech. How indeed can one not be moved by the utter beauty!)

– 11-15-09: Tawfik al Tirawi, PA Security Chief: “Israel recruits Palestinians to sexually harrass their sisters and mothers.”

– 1-29-10: Al Aqsa TV (PA TV): “Even if donkeys cease to bray, the Jews will not cease to be hostile to the Muslems.”

– 2-28-10: Al Aqsa TV, Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments, Abdallah Jarbu: “Jews are bacteria, not human beings.” (…reflecting Palestinian commitment to medical research and healing by means of research into bacteriology.)

– 3-31-10: Al Aqsa TV, Dr Salah Sultan, President of American Center for Islamic Research: “Jews murder non-Jews and use their blood to knead Passover matzos.” (Yum!)

– 4-25-10: Al Aqsa TV, Bassam Abu Sharif, Advisor to Yasser Arafat: “Israel assasinated JFK.”

– 5-5-10: Yasser Arafat: “Israel uses depleted uranium to cause cancer and infertility.”

– 6-5-10: Imam Salem Abu Al-Futuoh: “The Jews use human blood in Passover and wedding ceremonies.”

– 8-25-10: Al Aqsa TV: “Muslems should wage jihad to liberate the Al Aqsa mosque from the filth of the Jews, the brothers of apes and pigs.”

– 9-3-10: Imam Sheik Ismail Aal Radhwan: “Those who negotiate with Israel will be gathered in the hell-fire along with the apes and pigs.”

– 3-19-11: Al Aqsa TV: Deputy Minister Religious Endowments, Abdallah Jarbu: “Only a madman would think Jews are human.”

– 5-11-11: Imam Yunis Al-Astal: “The Jews were brought to Palestine for the Great Massacre through which Allah will relieve humanity of their evil.”

– 5-17-11: Imam Yasser Qachlaq: “…Human filth…”

– 7-18-11: Imam Safwat Higazi: “The foreign riffraff who live in Palestine are not really Jews; they have brought corruption and evil upon the world ever since trying to kill Christ.”

– 8-11: ‘Atallah Abu al-Subh: “The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the earth.”

– 9-20-11: Muhammed Abdu: “Israel, that plundering, crude, cruel and criminal [notice the artful alliteration!] entity, which wants to devour the remainder of our lands…Oh! sons of a sow, your hands are soiled with the blood of the people…!”

– 9-23-11: Ahmad Bahr, speaker Hamas Gaza Parliament: “We will sweep the siblings of pigs and apes out of our land.”

– 10-19-11: Khalil Al-Khayeh, Gaza legislator: “The heroes of the knife, the heros of martyrdom operations, Jihad and the resistance.”

– 10-25-11: Khodhr Habib [which, appropriately, means "Friend" in Arabic]: Islamic Jihad, Gaza: “We will give you nothing but bombs, spears and swords, which will slit your throats.”

– 11-8-11: Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade: “The number of heroic operations reached 4,300…which included 61 martyrdom operations [i.e., suicide attacks], 24 abductions, 230 armed clashes, 33 incursions, 423 bombing operations, 90 sniping operations, 146 ambushes, and 25 raids on Zionist targets.”

But the winner of our annual Helen Thomas Award for Poetry must go to the eloquent Dear Leader:

– 10-23-11: Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority:

“I will never recognize a Jewish State.”

…Peace In Our Time…

*** Note: Special appreciation for the work of the REAL LINGUISTS at the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI.org). MEMRI translators bring to light pronouncements of officials and media not only from the original Arabic, but also from Farsi, Urdu, Turkish, Pashti and other languages. Their work illuminates that which the leaders and media of the Muslem world are actually saying to one another and to their people in their own languages as opposed to that which they are mumbling to us in English, and that which our major media, for whatever their motives, are and are not reporting to us!

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RE: HSIG - M.A.D.
11/16/2011 9:24:00 AM
Hello Friends,

Here's Dry Bones' take on the difference between Iran and the rest of the world. I will add this though that the last section in today's Dry Bones can also be applicable to other Muslim countries, organizations etc.

Be sure to read the comments below the graphic. Extremely interesting and revealing.

Shalom,

Peter



The Telegraph reported on Ahmadinejad in a piece entitled "Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader" in a report which began:
"When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

and goes on to cover Ahmadinejad's UN appearance:

"World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme in August.

Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism", impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and dark countries".

The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".

In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.

"I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders did not blink…It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.

"They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."

Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from Ahmadinejad".

Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the Hidden Imam."

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
11/16/2011 9:52:02 AM
Hi Jim,

Yes it's true the US stood up in Egypt and Libya and we got the MB in Egypt and Al Qaeda/MB in Libya and that's exactly the point. Both Egypt and Libya were more secular countries and that's where B Hussein chose to interfere. In addition Egypt under Mubarak was an ally and B Hussein threw him under the bus as he does with friends and allies.

I'm not justifying Mubarak's dictatorship by any means but his leadership is definitely preferable to the MB and if you remember I said at the outset of the so called Arab Spring that Egypt will be a carbon copy of tghe lunatic regime in Iran under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood. We're already seeing the dire results with the killing of the Copts by the thousands by now and the destruction of their churches.

The difference with the Iranian protests/revolutions is that this was in a despotic lunatic theocratic regime and the people had the guts to come out in the thousands and were systematically butchered, tortured and arrested while the world stood quietly by. B Hussein said at the time that this was an "internal problem" and he had no reason to interfere. The protesters didn't ask for intervention but support and they didn't get that. Big difference Jim. When you think about it the Iranian protests could have been the true Muslim Spring by causing the downfall of the lunatic theocratic Iranian regime.

Shalom,

Peter

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Well that is why their plight will never change. Because they depend on the west to stand and do their fighting instead of doing it for themselves. We stood up in Egypt and Libya and got the Muslim Brotherhood. The people have to want freedom not enslavement, which it seems they prefer someone taking care of them than to be free people.

Quote:
Hi Jim,

This article and Greenfield's both are excellent and show how submissive the west has become before this supremacist ideology. You know your question why don't the Muslim gays, women and all the others oppressed stand up for their rights and protest in Saudi Arabia and the simple answer to that is that in Iran they did try and stand up for their rights and the west let them down and they were massacred in the thousands there twice since Ahmadinejad and Khameini stole the elections there.

So I guess you can say the Saudi people have no reason to believe they'll get any support from the west and for sure not from B Hussein and his regime.

Shalom,

Peter

Quote:
It appears time for all Muslim Gays, Women and the like to denounce Islam and stand up for their rights. Where are the riots in the street for gay rights in Saudi Arabia? There ain't none! They ain't allowed in Saudi lands and they definitely will never rise up and strike the snake that dines on them.

Nope no asylum here either. It ain't rocket science we need oil and the Saudis own our president so you don't have a safe haven here either.
What has America come to? Sharia?

Quote:
Hello Friends,

I thought this was quite amusing even though it's not a joke but definitely shows the duplicity of the fraud and great pretender B Hussein and his regime.

The denial of asylum to a gay Saudi diplomat who if returned to his native land would for sure insure his execution under Shariah law is questionable even if the ex diplomat has a checkered past as the DHS is now claiming. They've welcomed with open arms much more suspicious Muslims in general and even within their ranks. But this man does face execution and this makes his request a bit more serious.

A couple of questions arise though. Where are all the gay groups that are in total silence on this issue? Where are all the so called human rights groups who also remain silent?

The fact that B Hussein in the past showed his submission to the Saudi king when he bowed to him is an indication that anything goes with this guy and he doesn't want to piss the Saudi king off.

You can read more about it in the below article which originates from the Jerusalem post. I commented on this article and suggested that this gay ex Saudi diplomat request asylum from the Jewish State of Israel. :) They just might give him the asylum he needs. Israel has given asylum to Muslims in the past while many other countries ignored the tragic plight they were in. Different cases then this gay diplomat finds himself in but .......... who knows.

Shalom,

Peter


Dr. Phylis Chesler hits the nail on the head: "This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates."

An update on this story, in which Ali Ahmad Asseri said his life was in danger, but that Islam is tolerant. Just not of him, according to Sharia. "United States denies asylum to gay Saudi diplomat," by Benjamin Weinthal for the Jerusalem Post, November 12 (thanks to HG):

BERLIN – The United States government denied political asylum to Ali Ahmad Asseri, the former first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, last week to avoid disrupting US-Saudi relations, according to a Saudi-American blogger and journalist based in Brazil.
Asseri argued that if he returned to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia he would face execution because the country’s radically fundamental form of Islam mandates the death penalty for same-sex relations.
The Saudi-American journalist and blogger, Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, appears to have been the first writer to report on the asylum rejection. The possible deportation of Asseri to Saudi Arabia has electrified blog observers of the case over the last few days.
The Jerusalem Post’s e-mail and telephone attempts to secure on Saturday a confirmation and comment from the US State Department’s Middle East press section were not immediately returned.
In an e-mail response to the Post on Saturday, Abou-Alsamh, the Saudi-American blogger whose personal website "Rasheed's World" first broke the story about the denial of the asylum application, wrote, "As far as I know the US government has not yet officially commented on Asseri's denial of asylum, but from comments that I have read after I wrote my post, it seems that political asylum cases are often denied in first instance and then approved later when the applicant appeals."
He added: "I do think the US government is afraid of unnecessarily annoying the Saudis, especially now with all of the turmoil that the Arab world is going through because of the Arab Spring revolts."
Abou-Alsamh, who has written for The Washington Times and other US-based publications, reported on his website that Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi dissident in Washington, said in a phone interview that “This was a political decision by the Obama administration, who are afraid of upsetting the Saudis.”
“His initial interview with Homeland Security was very positive, but then they came back and grilled him for two days after they found out that he had worked in the public prosecutor’s office in Saudi Arabia,” Alsamh continued.
“He had been an inspector to make sure that judicial punishments, such as lashings, were carried out within the law – not more, not less. They then accused him of participating in a form of torture,” Ahmed said on Abou- Alamh’s website.
Ahmed said that Asseri intends to appeal the denial of his application and the process could meander its way through the judicial process over the next few years.
Last year, the US news organization MSNBC first reported on Asseri’s decision to remain in the United States. According to an article from the MSNBC national investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff: “Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed US Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman.”
In addition to his sexual orientation, Asseri’s friendship with a female Jewish Israeli appears to be a factor for concern if he returns to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh does not recognize Israel’s existence and there are no diplomatic relations between the two countries. The Saudi Kingdom’s media and educational books are steeped in hatred of Israel.
Stuart Appelbaum, a prominent gay rights activist in New York and head of the international trade union Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, wrote the Post by e-mail on Friday. “If the United States government refuses to grant asylum to a gay diplomat because it is afraid of the Saudi reaction, then the US will become complicit in his fate. It is exactly because of how Ahmad might be treated on his return to his homophobic and brutal land that the United States should grant him refuge.”
Appelbaum played a key role in the New York State legislative decision to pass a marriage law for same-sex couples this year.
Dr. Phyllis Chesler, a New York-based expert on gender relations, wrote the Post on Friday, “This is further proof that the Obama administration’s foreign policy is one of self-destructive appeasement and that despite its presumed commitment to civil rights and human rights, that commitment does not extend to Muslim women, Muslim dissidents, or Muslim gays – nor does it extend to the right-of-survival of religious minorities (Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian) or to apostates.
“This decision refuses to countenance the reality of Islamic gender and religious apartheid and has chosen a ‘hands off’ policy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia’s persecution of ‘out’ gay men,” Chesler wrote.
Saudi Arabia’s government policy of lethal homophobia has sparked outrage over the years from some human rights activists.
The subject of state-sponsored murder of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities across the Muslim world has been a long neglected human-rights issue, according to NGO Monitor, the Jerusalem-based watchdog organization, which monitors the role of NGOs in the region, including Israel.

Peter Fogel
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