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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
7/31/2010 5:18:33 AM
Good description Jim but it's way beyond despicable. Can you imagine what they'll do if the mega mosque gets built?
Shalom,
Peter

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Totally Despicable

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Hello Friends,

When I received the below email this morning I wasn't very surprised cos it was just a question of time before it happened in the United States. The progressive left will probably see nothing wrong with all this and even if in the back of their little minds they have some doubts it would be politically incorrect to mention it in the MSM.

Remember this you didn't see the below pictures either in your news papers or on TV since I guess it's not news worthy. In any case the pictures were taken on Madison Ave. in NYC and not in Paris, France, Germany, Holland etc. In Eurabia this has become a normal occurance on a daily basis and they're becoming more Shariah compliant every day. Well, don't blink but the same thing is happening in the USA with the blessings of B Hussein Islam's agent in the White House.

I'm posting the email in its entirety and I certainly hope all you PC progressives understand what's happening in your back yard ....... or don't you care?

Shalom,

Peter


Can you imagine what would happen if a Christian Group demanded the right to close down a busy PUBLIC street for a couple of hours each day. To Muslims the ONLY law which must be obeyed is Sharia - US, NY, NYC be damned. Where are our brave politicians? Hiding behind Ayatollah Obama and his friends. I can see the sign now...
Coming soon to a town near you!!!


Freedom of religion is one thing....this is just B.S.


Subject: This is NYC on Madison Ave

A Christian Nation cannot put up a Christmas scene of the baby Jesus in a public place, but the Muslims can stop normal traffic every Friday afternoon by worshiping in the streets... Something is happening in America that is reminiscent of what is happening in Europe . This is Political Correctness gone crazy...
From: Subject: Fwd: This is NYC on Madison Ave
This is an accurate picture of every Friday afternoon in several locations
throughout NYC where there are mosques with a large number of Muslims
that cannot fit into the mosque - They fill the surrounding streets, facing east
for a couple of hours between about 2 & 4 p.m. - Besides this one at 42nd St
& Madison Ave, there is another, even larger group, at 94th St & 3rd Ave, etc.,
etc. - Also, I presume, you are aware of the dispute over building another "high
rise" Mosque a few blocks from "ground zero" - With regard to that one, the
"Imam" refuses to disclose where the $110 million dollars to build it is coming
from and there is a lawsuit filed to force disclosure of that information - Just some
facts FYI - But then, you have your own troubles with the "immigration" problem
and the new AZ law - November can't come soon enough

This is in New York City on Madison Avenue, not in France
or the Middle East or Yemen or Kenya.
Is there a message here???? Yes, there is, and they are claiming America for allah. if we don't wake up soon, we are going to "politically correct" ourselves right out of our
own country!











"For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing." Edmund Burke
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
8/1/2010 1:29:41 AM
Well Peter,

That was my very first thought and as you well know if I have a thought with emotion attached to it, well let's just say I speak my mind at the moment and often like now. After I have had time to contemplate, I have more to say.

I do not understand what gives this religious group rights over other religious groups, as I believe most if not all believe in the one GOD, ALLAH or whatever may be the case. I believe we gave up on the Gods of myth and lore. Though some may be mislead that way, still yet. I still lean Agnostic, as you know.

As we are the United States and our tenets grant the freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses to observe or chooses not to observe. With that said, these folks are impeding other peoples pursuits in preference of their own and this is where, I do not understand, why the policemen and or authorities are allowing this interruption between 2PM and 4PM every Friday afternoon.

Next they will feel embolden enough to make this a daily routine.

I am pretty sure that assembling without a permit is a BIG NO NO for any other group no matter their religion or cause, especially in New York City. The fact that city officials and the police are allowing this to happen is totally wrong and defiant of the American people.

Unless of course these good law abiding Islamists have obtained the proper permits to obstruct other LAW Abiding Americans on their daily routines in the pursuit of whatever happiness they may seek.

This is more than despicable it is flat out WRONG. As long as good people allow these actions, this group will continue to attempt to steal liberties from the average American citizen and impose their will upon them.

OUR TOLERANCE of those that find our ways Intolerable will be OUR END! Such actions in their home countries, by Christians, Catholics or Jews would not be tolerated and most likely met with severe and barbaric penalties.

They should be assimilating just like my forefathers did and as 85% of our population has. That percentage could be smaller or larger dependent upon the number of illegal immigrants there are actually infiltrating our southern border.

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Good description Jim but it's way beyond despicable. Can you imagine what they'll do if the mega mosque gets built?
Shalom,
Peter

Quote:
Totally Despicable

Quote:
Hello Friends,

When I received the below email this morning I wasn't very surprised cos it was just a question of time before it happened in the United States. The progressive left will probably see nothing wrong with all this and even if in the back of their little minds they have some doubts it would be politically incorrect to mention it in the MSM.

Remember this you didn't see the below pictures either in your news papers or on TV since I guess it's not news worthy. In any case the pictures were taken on Madison Ave. in NYC and not in Paris, France, Germany, Holland etc. In Eurabia this has become a normal occurance on a daily basis and they're becoming more Shariah compliant every day. Well, don't blink but the same thing is happening in the USA with the blessings of B Hussein Islam's agent in the White House.

I'm posting the email in its entirety and I certainly hope all you PC progressives understand what's happening in your back yard ....... or don't you care?

Shalom,

Peter


Can you imagine what would happen if a Christian Group demanded the right to close down a busy PUBLIC street for a couple of hours each day. To Muslims the ONLY law which must be obeyed is Sharia - US, NY, NYC be damned. Where are our brave politicians? Hiding behind Ayatollah Obama and his friends. I can see the sign now...
Coming soon to a town near you!!!


Freedom of religion is one thing....this is just B.S.


Subject: This is NYC on Madison Ave

A Christian Nation cannot put up a Christmas scene of the baby Jesus in a public place, but the Muslims can stop normal traffic every Friday afternoon by worshiping in the streets... Something is happening in America that is reminiscent of what is happening in Europe . This is Political Correctness gone crazy...
From: Subject: Fwd: This is NYC on Madison Ave
This is an accurate picture of every Friday afternoon in several locations
throughout NYC where there are mosques with a large number of Muslims
that cannot fit into the mosque - They fill the surrounding streets, facing east
for a couple of hours between about 2 & 4 p.m. - Besides this one at 42nd St
& Madison Ave, there is another, even larger group, at 94th St & 3rd Ave, etc.,
etc. - Also, I presume, you are aware of the dispute over building another "high
rise" Mosque a few blocks from "ground zero" - With regard to that one, the
"Imam" refuses to disclose where the $110 million dollars to build it is coming
from and there is a lawsuit filed to force disclosure of that information - Just some
facts FYI - But then, you have your own troubles with the "immigration" problem
and the new AZ law - November can't come soon enough

This is in New York City on Madison Avenue, not in France
or the Middle East or Yemen or Kenya.
Is there a message here???? Yes, there is, and they are claiming America for allah. if we don't wake up soon, we are going to "politically correct" ourselves right out of our
own country!











"For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing." Edmund Burke

May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,



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RE: HSIG - 75% of Non Muslims Believe Islam Negative For Britian
8/3/2010 7:34:19 PM
Hello Friends,

It appears that the British non Muslim population aren't very happy with the influence Islam and Muslims have on their country. As usual the people are much more clued in then the politicians are and might finally be waking up.

Great Britain has allowed Shariah law to rule in Muslim areas and by doing that lost their rule of law that governed them prior to their giving in to Muslim demands. The people are fed up and it's time for their politicians to take heed and listen to the voice of the people.

The desire of the Islamic organization to teach people more about Islam is a sham cos they will never reveal the truth about the teachings of the Koran to infidels. Instead they'll use taqiyaa (deception) and try and convince the non believers that Islam is a religion of peace that doesn't oppress women, use honor killings as part of their culture, want to dominate the world in the name of Muhammad and Islam, kill infidels and those that dare leave Islam. The list is much longer but this will suffice for now.

In the same manner the American people would do well to read the results of the below poll taken amongst non Muslim Brits. Learn from their mistakes it's still not to late.

Shalom,

Peter



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/poll-islam-negative-britain


Three-quarters of non-Muslims believe Islam negative for Britain

Muslim organisation calls for efforts to improve awareness as four-fifths of those polled admit to little knowledge of the faith

Three-quarters of non-Muslims believe Islam has provided a negative contribution to British society, according to a new poll, which has prompted calls for Muslims to help improve the perception of their faith.

The study for the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA) also found that 63% of people surveyed did not disagree with the statement "Muslims are terrorists" and 94% agreed that "Islam oppresses women". It included qualitative as well as quantitative data. One respondent said: ""If I had my way I'd kick them all [Muslims] out of here."

The results follow an online YouGov poll, published in June, that found 58% linked Islam with extremism and 69% believed it encouraged the repression of women.

Despite the widespread negative perceptions of Islam, iERA believes the fact that most opinions were formed in ignorance of the faith indicates that Muslims can positively influence them.

Four-fifths of those polled said they have less than very little knowledge about Islam, while 40% did not know who "Allah" referred to and 36% did not know who the Prophet Muhammad was.

iERA's senior researcher Hamza Tzortzis said: "We wanted to do something positive with the survey results rather than just say, 'It's so sad'. So, the organisation's strategy is to give a new realm of possibility for people to comprehend Islam, have a proper respect for Islam and see the human relevance of the faith."

The organisation has made a number of recommendations on how to spread knowledge of Islam and the Muslim community through education and audiovisual materials. It also advocates "promoting Muslim women as ambassadors of change" to counter the impression that they are oppressed.

Although the survey indicated people may not be willing to listen – 60% said they preferred not to receive any information about religion, while 77% did not agree in any way that Muslims should do more to teach people about their faith – Tzortzis believes they will if they are shown that religion is relevant.

"We need to show that it [Islam] encompasses all the things in your life whether social or practical," he said.

"We had one of the biggest economic crises and we had no Islamic scholar saying the Islamic [financial] model wasn't as affected and might be relevant."

The study, carried out for iERA out by DJS Research, used face-to face questionnaires to ascertain the views of a "statistically robust" sample of 500 randomly selected non-Muslims.

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RE: HSIG - Another Example Of MSM Biased Reporting Against Israel
8/4/2010 4:39:18 AM
Hello Friends,

Once again the MSM got the facts wrong and as usual "reported" misinformation and disinformation.

What's most interesting is that the different media agencies could have easily sourced the information needed to report correctly and not in the biased way they did. Israel notified UNIFIL that they will be working on the border area near Misgav Am. The UNIFIL forces were there to "insure" that all is in order and they are the witnesses that the Israeli soldiers were on the Israeli side of the border and didn't initiate the firing and they reported to that effect. So all MSM had to do was call UNIFIL and get the correct information and of course they failed to do that and reported their biased reports which is their main purpose when ever they "report" on Israel.

The Israeli response was legitimate and definitely in place. This response will be the same whenever Israel is attacked and in this case ambushed since they had prior notice from UNIFIL that the Israelis will be working on the border on that day.

One wonders what use UNIFIL and the UN in general is if they're not able to do the job they're stationed there to do?

Barry Rubin's article is an eye opener but unfortunately MSM and the world would rather be blind when Israel is the topic.

Shalom,

Peter


Today's Example of Ridiculous Media Bias Against Israel

By Barry Rubin

Along Israel's border with Lebanon, east of Metulla, some bushes were pushing in on the border fence. The fence is set in slightly from the border precisely so that Israeli soldiers can work on it. The IDF called UNIFIL and informed the UN that this work was going to be done today so that they could tell the Lebanese army that there was no aggression going on but just routine maintenance. Soldiers from UNIFIL came to observe and can be seen standing next to Israeli soldiers in the photos. Photographers were also standing by to film the operation.

But Lebanese soldiers opened fire on the Israelis who were working and in no way acting aggressively. The fact that journalists were standing next to the Lebanese soldiers shows that they knew Israel was going to do this maintenance and were observing. After the Israeli soldiers were ambushed, they returned fire. One Israeli officer was killed, another seriously wounded; three Lebanese soldiers, and a Lebanese (?) journalist were killed.

So how did Reuters and Yahoo report this? By saying that Israeli soldiers had crossed into Lebanon and been fired on, thus implying the Lebanese army was acting in self-defense! Other news agencies merely reported: Israel says the soldiers were inside Israel; Lebanon says they were on Lebanese territory.

Reuters: "An Israeli soldier is seen on a crane on the Lebanese side of the Lebanese-Israeli border near Adaisseh village, southern Lebanon August 3, 2010. Israeli artillery shelled the Lebanese village on Tuesday, wounding two people, after Lebanese Army troops fired warning shots at Israeli soldiers."

Yahoo: "A Lebanese officer spoke on condition of anonymity under military guidelines, said the clash occurred as Israeli troops tried to remove a tree from the Lebanese side of the border." No Israeli is quoted.

AP also missed explaining the story properly: "The violence apparently erupted over a move by Israeli soldiers to cut down a tree along the border, a sign of the high level of tensions at the frontier where Israel fought in 2006 with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah....There was no sign of any extensive Israeli preparations for a large-scale operation - an early indication the clash might not trigger a wider conflict."

By the way, AP was so "accurate" as to correct the name of their photographer but not the biased inaccuracy of its facts!

The New York Times also takes a "neutral" approach: "Each side blamed the other for the flare-up, trading accusations of violating the United Nations Security Council resolution that underpins the four-year cease-fire." But what is most amazing is the additional information that tells us more about contemporary journalism than almost anything you can read:

"Israel said that its forces were engaged in routine maintenance work in a gap between the so-called Blue Line, the internationally recognized border, and its security fence, and that it had coordinated in advance with the United Nations peacekeeping force in South Lebanon, Unifil."

Hello? Can't the mighty New York Times contact the UNIFIL offices and find out that Israel's story is true? Indeed, isn't it indicated by the UNIFIL presence as observer? Well, it isn't surprising since the same newspaper is unable to find the evidence, publicly available, that the Turkish IHH group that organized the Gaza flotilla had a history of being a terrorist-supporting group.

Oh, and then there's this amazing little example of bias in the article:

"Israeli and Lebanese army troops exchanged lethal fire on their countries' border on Tuesday, in what was the fiercest clash in the area since Israel's monthlong war against the Lebanese Hezbollah militia in the summer of 2006."

So, there's no mention of the cause of the war: a Hizballah attack into Israeli territory, killing several Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two who were taken into Lebanon. According to the great "newspaper of record," Accorfing to the Times, Israel just arbitrarily attacked Lebanon in 2006, just as it is said to be doing in 2010.

The truth, however, is easy to ascertain--did Israel announce the maintenance, permit the photographers and UN people to watch and then cross deliberately into Lebanon?--but Israel is being portrayed as an aggressor that caused the outbreak of fighting. So millions of people will either believe that Israel was at fault or that the event is in question.

The narrative, however, is simple: In an unprovoked attack, Lebanese soldiers fired on Israelis and murdered one soldier.

If the mass media cannot get this right how can it report accurately on other situations like the following:

2000: Israel offers to return the entire Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for full peace. Syria refuses.

2000: Israel offers to accept an independent Palestinian state in all of the Gaza Strip, almost all of the West Bank, and most of east Jerusalem. The Palestinian Authority refuses.

2008: Hamas tears up a ceasefire, begins massive mortar and rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, Israel defends itself.

2010: A Turkish pro-terrorist organization trying to help Hamas, a genocidal and antisemitic terrorist group, sends self-described jihadis on a ship who chant slogans about killing Jews and being Jihadi martyrs. When Israeli soldiers land, the Jihad warriors attack them with weapons and kidnap several. Israeli forces rescue the soldiers, killing nine attackers in the operation.

Note, though, that the Times discounted the video of Israeli soldiers being attacked by claiming--with no evidence--that perhaps Israeli forces had been shooting beorehand at unarmed civilians on the ship!

But if the media cannot even get right a previously announced, UN-approved, maintenance activity on Israeli territory then what hope is their getting right anything more complex?

Here's a video of the attack from Reuters.

To its credit, the Canadian Broadcasting Company issued a correction saying that the tree's location is disputed and changing the photo caption to say the tree is "near" the border rather than on the Lebanese side.

We now have a UNIFIL official on record as saying that the Israeli soldiers who were attacked were on Israeli territory. Which mainstream media outlets will or won't cover this fact?

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
8/4/2010 12:17:56 PM
It is quite sad in this information age where instant communication can be had most anywhere in the world, that MSM fails to tap into it at all, before reporting on a story such as this. Rationale people of the world especially you infidels beware, thay are out to get you!


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Hello Friends,

Once again the MSM got the facts wrong and as usual "reported" misinformation and disinformation.

What's most interesting is that the different media agencies could have easily sourced the information needed to report correctly and not in the biased way they did. Israel notified UNIFIL that they will be working on the border area near Misgav Am. The UNIFIL forces were there to "insure" that all is in order and they are the witnesses that the Israeli soldiers were on the Israeli side of the border and didn't initiate the firing and they reported to that effect. So all MSM had to do was call UNIFIL and get the correct information and of course they failed to do that and reported their biased reports which is their main purpose when ever they "report" on Israel.

The Israeli response was legitimate and definitely in place. This response will be the same whenever Israel is attacked and in this case ambushed since they had prior notice from UNIFIL that the Israelis will be working on the border on that day.

One wonders what use UNIFIL and the UN in general is if they're not able to do the job they're stationed there to do?

Barry Rubin's article is an eye opener but unfortunately MSM and the world would rather be blind when Israel is the topic.

Shalom,

Peter


Today's Example of Ridiculous Media Bias Against Israel

By Barry Rubin

Along Israel's border with Lebanon, east of Metulla, some bushes were pushing in on the border fence. The fence is set in slightly from the border precisely so that Israeli soldiers can work on it. The IDF called UNIFIL and informed the UN that this work was going to be done today so that they could tell the Lebanese army that there was no aggression going on but just routine maintenance. Soldiers from UNIFIL came to observe and can be seen standing next to Israeli soldiers in the photos. Photographers were also standing by to film the operation.

But Lebanese soldiers opened fire on the Israelis who were working and in no way acting aggressively. The fact that journalists were standing next to the Lebanese soldiers shows that they knew Israel was going to do this maintenance and were observing. After the Israeli soldiers were ambushed, they returned fire. One Israeli officer was killed, another seriously wounded; three Lebanese soldiers, and a Lebanese (?) journalist were killed.

So how did Reuters and Yahoo report this? By saying that Israeli soldiers had crossed into Lebanon and been fired on, thus implying the Lebanese army was acting in self-defense! Other news agencies merely reported: Israel says the soldiers were inside Israel; Lebanon says they were on Lebanese territory.

Reuters: "An Israeli soldier is seen on a crane on the Lebanese side of the Lebanese-Israeli border near Adaisseh village, southern Lebanon August 3, 2010. Israeli artillery shelled the Lebanese village on Tuesday, wounding two people, after Lebanese Army troops fired warning shots at Israeli soldiers."

Yahoo: "A Lebanese officer spoke on condition of anonymity under military guidelines, said the clash occurred as Israeli troops tried to remove a tree from the Lebanese side of the border." No Israeli is quoted.

AP also missed explaining the story properly: "The violence apparently erupted over a move by Israeli soldiers to cut down a tree along the border, a sign of the high level of tensions at the frontier where Israel fought in 2006 with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah....There was no sign of any extensive Israeli preparations for a large-scale operation - an early indication the clash might not trigger a wider conflict."

By the way, AP was so "accurate" as to correct the name of their photographer but not the biased inaccuracy of its facts!

The New York Times also takes a "neutral" approach: "Each side blamed the other for the flare-up, trading accusations of violating the United Nations Security Council resolution that underpins the four-year cease-fire." But what is most amazing is the additional information that tells us more about contemporary journalism than almost anything you can read:

"Israel said that its forces were engaged in routine maintenance work in a gap between the so-called Blue Line, the internationally recognized border, and its security fence, and that it had coordinated in advance with the United Nations peacekeeping force in South Lebanon, Unifil."

Hello? Can't the mighty New York Times contact the UNIFIL offices and find out that Israel's story is true? Indeed, isn't it indicated by the UNIFIL presence as observer? Well, it isn't surprising since the same newspaper is unable to find the evidence, publicly available, that the Turkish IHH group that organized the Gaza flotilla had a history of being a terrorist-supporting group.

Oh, and then there's this amazing little example of bias in the article:

"Israeli and Lebanese army troops exchanged lethal fire on their countries' border on Tuesday, in what was the fiercest clash in the area since Israel's monthlong war against the Lebanese Hezbollah militia in the summer of 2006."

So, there's no mention of the cause of the war: a Hizballah attack into Israeli territory, killing several Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two who were taken into Lebanon. According to the great "newspaper of record," Accorfing to the Times, Israel just arbitrarily attacked Lebanon in 2006, just as it is said to be doing in 2010.

The truth, however, is easy to ascertain--did Israel announce the maintenance, permit the photographers and UN people to watch and then cross deliberately into Lebanon?--but Israel is being portrayed as an aggressor that caused the outbreak of fighting. So millions of people will either believe that Israel was at fault or that the event is in question.

The narrative, however, is simple: In an unprovoked attack, Lebanese soldiers fired on Israelis and murdered one soldier.

If the mass media cannot get this right how can it report accurately on other situations like the following:

2000: Israel offers to return the entire Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for full peace. Syria refuses.

2000: Israel offers to accept an independent Palestinian state in all of the Gaza Strip, almost all of the West Bank, and most of east Jerusalem. The Palestinian Authority refuses.

2008: Hamas tears up a ceasefire, begins massive mortar and rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, Israel defends itself.

2010: A Turkish pro-terrorist organization trying to help Hamas, a genocidal and antisemitic terrorist group, sends self-described jihadis on a ship who chant slogans about killing Jews and being Jihadi martyrs. When Israeli soldiers land, the Jihad warriors attack them with weapons and kidnap several. Israeli forces rescue the soldiers, killing nine attackers in the operation.

Note, though, that the Times discounted the video of Israeli soldiers being attacked by claiming--with no evidence--that perhaps Israeli forces had been shooting beorehand at unarmed civilians on the ship!

But if the media cannot even get right a previously announced, UN-approved, maintenance activity on Israeli territory then what hope is their getting right anything more complex?

Here's a video of the attack from Reuters.

To its credit, the Canadian Broadcasting Company issued a correction saying that the tree's location is disputed and changing the photo caption to say the tree is "near" the border rather than on the Lebanese side.

We now have a UNIFIL official on record as saying that the Israeli soldiers who were attacked were on Israeli territory. Which mainstream media outlets will or won't cover this fact?

May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,



Jim Allen III
Skype: JAllen3D
Everything You Need For Online Success


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