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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/12/2010 3:28:18 AM
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Hello Friends,

Here's a forwarded email you might find interesting. The difference in mindset between the Israeli soldier and Israel in general in regard to captives and the injured should be obvious but the word should is the main point here.

While Israel treats enemy wounded as if they were their own citizens or soldiers they do no such thing. Quite the opposite as we've seen in the past but as usual MSM and the world's governments ignore these facts and major differences. They will behead, torture and in some cases much worse while Israel treats them to the best medical care possible.

With that in mind read the below email sent by an Israeli soldier that participated in the boarding of the Marmara to his American uncle. I wonder if you'll understand the difference in mindset between the sides?

Shalom,

Peter


From an IDF Soldier Who Was on the Flotilla

2010 June 9
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I received this forwarded to me in my email:

first hand account from Amir, an Israeli soldier who was there.

“Hello Uncle Erwin,

This is Amir writing you after reading what you sent to my father, Eitan. As you know, it was my unit and my friends who were on the ship. My commander was injured badly as a result of the “pacifists” violence. I want to tell you how he was injured so you could tell the story. it shows just how horrible and inhuman were the activists. My commander was the first soldier that rappelled down from the helicopter to the ship. When he touched ground, he got hit in the head with a pole and stabbed in the stomach with a knife.

When he drew out his secondary weapon-a handgun (his primary weapon was a regular paintball gun: “Tippman 98 custom”) he was shot in the leg. He managed to fire a single shot before he was tossed from the balcony by 4 Arab activists, to the lower deck (a 12 feet fall). He was then dragged by other activists to a room in the lower deck were he was stripped down by 2 activists. They took off his vest, helmet and shirt, leaving him with only his pants and shoes on. When they finished they took a knife and expanded the wound he already had in his stomach. They cut his ab muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out. When they finished they raised him up and walked him on the deck outside. He was conscious the whole time. If you are asking yourself why they did all that, here comes the reason. They wanted to show the soldiers their commander’s body so they will be demoralized and scared. Luckily, when they walked him on the deck a soldier saw him and managed to shoot the activist that was walking him down the outside corridor. He shot him with a special non-lethal bullet that didn’t kill him. My commander managed to jump from the deck to the water and swim to an army rescue boat (his guts still out of his body, and now in salty sea water). That was how he was saved. The activists that did this to him are alive, now in Turkey, and treated as heroes.

I’m sorry if I described this with too many details, but I thought it was necessary for the credibility. Please tell this story to anyone who will listen. I think that these days you are one of Israel’s best spokesman.

Thanks uncle Erwin, Shabbat shalom!

Amir

Hello Peter

I got the same email but it included a great video! You've got to see what was on that 'peaceful' ship. Maybe next time they won't be in such a hurry to blast Israel.

Has anyone seen this on CNN or FOX or elsewhere?
Helen
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Here is what was sent to me......

HEAVY WEAPONS FOUND IN THE CARGO OF
THE M/S. MAVI MARMARA FLOTILLA VESSEL


This video shows that during the unloading of the
Marmara boat in the port of Ashdod, behind the bags
of flour were boxes of heavy weapons and ammunition:
mortars, artillery shells, bazookas, without counting a
trunk where more than one million euros was found
intended for Hamas.

This video should be widely distributed as evidence
of why the IDF Naval commandos were dispatched
to intercept the six vessels including the M/S Mavi
Marmara. One wonders what is aboard the Irish
vessel, the M/S. Rachel Corrie, that Israel will
intercept sometime today when it approaches the
Naval blockade line off the coast of Gaza. Clearly
the Turkish AKP Islamist government is complicit
in permitting this military cargo to be loaded on the
'peaceful' Free Gaza Flotilla.

Please distribute this video widely. If you had any
doubt about what was on the flotilla, here is the
video. The French explains that the arms on display
were hidden behind sacks of grain.


Have patience with this video. First there's a
commercial for Pantene! But wait until it's over.
You won't believe your eyes!

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=3423928

In addition to hiding weapons meant to kill Israel
civilians, the "humanitarian aid" workers viciously
attacked Israeli soldiers. Below, a first hand
account from Amir, an Israeli soldier who was there.

"Hello Uncle Erwin,

This is Amir writing you after reading what you sent
to my father, Eitan.

As you know, it was my unit and my friends who
were
on the ship. My commander was injured badly
as a result of the "pacifists" violence. I want to tell
you how he was injured so you could tell the story.
It shows just how
horrible and inhuman were the
activists.

My commander was the first soldier that rappelled
down from the helicopter to the ship. When he
touched
ground, he got hit in the head with a pole
and stabbed
in the stomach with a knife. When he
drew out his secondary weapon-a handgun (his
primary weapon was a regular paintball gun:
"Tippman 98 custom") he was shot in the leg.

He managed to fire a single shot before he was tossed
from the balcony by 4 Arab activists, to the lower deck
(a 12 feet fall). He was then dragged by other activists
to a room in the lower deck were he was stripped down

by 2 activists. They took off his vest, helmet and shirt,
leaving him with only his pants and shoes on. When
they finished they took a knife and expanded the
wound he already had in his stomach. They cut his ab
muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out.
When they finished they raised him up and walked
him on the deck outside. He was conscious the whole
time.

If you are asking yourself why they did all that, here
comes the reason. They wanted to show the soldiers
their commander's body so they will be demoralized
and scared.

Luckily, when they walked him on the deck a soldier
saw him and managed to shoot the activist that was
walking him down the outside corridor. He shot him
with a special non-lethal bullet that didn't kill him.

My commander managed to jump from the deck to
the water and swim to an army rescue boat (his guts
still out of his body, and now in salty sea water).
That was how he was saved. The activists that did
this to him are alive, now in Turkey, and treated as
heroes.

I'm sorry if I described this with too many details,
but I thought it was necessary for the credibility.
Please tell this story to anyone who will listen. I
think that these days you are one of Israel's best
spokesman.

Thanks uncle Erwin, Shabbat shalom!

Amir

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The above article came from Naomi Ragen at this
website.....

http://www.naomiragen.com/
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Helen


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/12/2010 4:39:23 AM

Hi Helen,

Thanks for your input but to be perfectly honest the video you attached is not from the Marmara but from the Karin A that was stopped last year. The amount of weapons found on that ship and another one earlier was thousands upon thousands of tons.

While the Turks sent by IHH on board the Marmara were in my opinion on a sort of suicide mission there were no hard core weaponry found on board aside from what was shown in earlier videos.

Shalom,

Peter

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RE: HSIG - World Opinion As Opposed To The Truth
6/14/2010 5:24:27 AM
Hello Friends,

My friend Dry Bones was away for a few weeks visiting in the United States. His latest satiric cartoon hits the nail on the head but unfortunately isn't really revealing an unknown secret.

Last week I posted a video from Latmah called "We Con the World" which immediately became one of the most viewed clips on Youtube. When the views passed the 3,000,000 mark and had over 50,000 comments (yep, you read that right) Youtube decided to remove the video for "supposed" copyright infringements. The truth is different as usual but their one sided treatment of a pro Israeli video that shows the Hamas and the "humanitarian" terrorists on the Marmara for what they really are is not surprising but very disappointing. For those that haven't seen the video it can be viewed here. It's brilliant and utilizes satire as a tool for the truth which the world is blind to.

Back to Dry Bones and his latest take on "World Opinion".

Shalom,

Peter


I'm fresh back from my trip to the States. Before I left I did this cartoon and set it to automatically post today. I was sure that it was the kind of cartoon that would have a long "shelf-life".

And that was before the "Flotilla" business.

Yikes!!

-Dry Bones- Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973
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RE: HSIG - "Delegitimization" As Opposed To "Destruction"
6/14/2010 6:14:28 AM
Hello Friends,

Barry Rubin wrote a brilliant article about the difference between "Delegitimization" as opposed to "Destruction".

The delegitimization is caused mainly by the biased MSM and the world leaders that totally ignore truth and facts even when they stare them in the face. Barry digs deeper into this question and his conclusions and arguments are interesting and definitely thought provoking. But ........ the problem is are any of "them" interested in truth as opposed to propaganda?

Shalom,

Peter


The Big Lie About the Israel "Delegitimization" Threat

By Barry Rubin*

June 13, 2010

http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/2010/06/the-big-lie-israel-delegitimization-threat

Golda Meir, Israel's prime minister, once memorably said, "Better a bad press than a good epitaph." In the Western world, where a cushioned elite increasingly mistakes headlines or academic studies for the real world, the difference between the material world and words is often lost.

At the same time, we are getting something along these lines: "Joe [Israel] is a stupid, lazy, dishonest, lying, no-good criminal who deserves to be punished. And you know what his main problem is? People saying stuff like that about him."

Let me give two examples and then point out why this tells us a great deal about the Western world's malaise and why Israel should ignore such advice. Keep reading because the last point is the most important of all.

One can always depend on Roger Cohen for a good quote since he never seems able to open his mouth without saying something stupid that he thinks his wisdom. Here's how he begins his
latest column:

"I took a short break for my daughter's bat mitzvah, Israel killed nine activists on a Gaza-bound ship in international waters, and its bungled raid prompted international uproar and Jewish soul-searching."

He couldn't be more obvious. First, he lets us know that he's a Jew (bat mitzvah) and then he let's forth with no less than five anti-Israel points in 21 words:

Killed nine (no mention of the attack on the soldiers) activists (no mention of lots of evidence that they were radical Islamist Jihadists seeking martyrdom), international waters (implication this is some kind of piratical aggressive act and no mention that this is how blockades are conducted, international law experts point out it was legal, see Cuban Missile Crisis, British operation in the Falklands, etc.), bungled raid (it is Israel's fault that it went in without lethal force and faced greater violence than expected), Jewish soul-searching (Oy! Where have we gone wrong! We used to let people beat us up and murder us and now Israel-gasp!-defends itself).

There is an Arab proverb to the effect that the guy hits me and then runs off screaming that he was assaulted.

And so after purveying anti-Israel propaganda that delegitimizes Israel, Cohen then goes on to say that the main threat to Israel is...anti-Israel propaganda

Cohen goes on to say that "Israel is a liberal democracy stuck in the blind alley of a morally corrupting 43-year-old occupation that has made force its reflexive mode of operation." Yet Israel's main problems today are caused by the fact that it withdrew the "occupation" from the Gaza Strip and most of the West Bank. I'm not saying this was a bad thing overall but obviously Hamas wouldn't be in power in the Gaza Strip smuggling in weapons, lobbing in rockets, mortars, with cross-border terror attacks, etc., if Israeli forces were still all over the place.

If anyone can't start from that point they aren't worth listening to at all. But here we come to Cohen's conclusion and it is this:

"What Israel in turn must realize-before it is too late-is that the real threat it faces today is not one of destruction but of de-legitimization."

This sentence deserves the greatest attention. Delegitimization is a real problem for Israel today but actually the threat of destruction--or at least, loss of life in terrorist and rocket attacks, nuclear attack from Iran, assaults that shut down normal life--are the real threat. Having people call you names and an obscure boycott here and there doesn't compare to being destroyed or dead.

Where does Cohen's thinking, and a
very similar approach by Bernard Kouchner, Franco Frattini, and Miguel Angel Moratinos come from?

--Two of the four authors are Jews, and their view expresses the traditional Jewish Diaspora (or Galut, if you prefer) attitude: What our neighbors think of us is the most important issue. Why? Because lacking their own country, economy, and means of defense, Jews were helpless. The response was that we had to make people like us, we had to prove we were the best citizens of all, and that we didn't have (as the antisemites charged) our own selfish agenda.

And that's why so many Jewish intellectuals criticize Israel. On the one hand, they are dedicated to a universalist agenda which involves the dissolution of any Jewish peoplehood. On the other hand, Israel goes against the Diaspora (Galut) strategy of trying to prove that Jews are as close to being perfect as possible. They want the conflict ended not because it is Israel's interest but because it interferes with the image they hold of themselves and want to project. For such people, Israel's interests are secondary and they won't hesitate to betray them.

Of course, like Cohen, they are generally ignorant of the facts any way and don't want to know more. And while Cohen pretends to "defend" Israel (he has to throw in one point for pretended balance), like most such people he picks a "Jewish" not "Israeli" point on which to do so, specifically that the "Star of David" should not be equated with the "swastika."

--Once you admit the fact that the Gaza flotilla and other problems (including the continuation of the Israel-Palestinian and Israel-Syria conflicts) are caused by actions of the other side, you remove the ability to solve them from Israel's hands. You might have to blame the Arab or Palestinian or Islamist side. This type of article never ever does so. What if they said that there are deliberate campaigns to undermine Israel's legitimacy as part of the broader strategy of destroying Israel? Then they would have to take Israel's side, which is what they most want to avoid.

And so while there are a few safe targets--bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad--these people can criticize they will never criticize the Palestinian Authority for, as examples, rejecting the two-state peace offers of 2000 or refusing to negotiate at all from January 2009 to May 2010. BUT if you only blame Israel for the problems and never its enemies you are--ta-da!--delegitimizing Israel!

--And thus those complaining that Israel is, in effect, delegitimizing itself are energetically involved in the process of delegitimizing Israel. What if they were to say: Israel is being delegitimized! This is a big lie and must be fought against so we are going to give you the facts about what really happened. Instead of Cohen's defamatory 21 words they would be quoting things like the
testimony of the ship's captain about how the Jihadists prepared to attack the Israelis and he tried to stop them. Then, the delegitimization campaign would falter and--guess what?--the threat would be dismantled. Instead, they are the single main cause of delegitimation in the West!

--But now we come to the most important point, because it goes far beyond Israel: the confusion of image and reality. Even in the world of 2010, power still matters. Violence settled quarrels. Individual men are greedy for power. Revolutionaries seek state power in order to transform fundamentally their societies. Regimes aggress against their neighbors. Power is respected.

And yet the idea has taken hold in most Western governments that what is most important is image. If we are nice to our enemies we will win them over. If we are popular we will avoid trouble. If we apologize we will be forgiven. If we tell everyone we are weak we will be pitied. If we sympathize with the underdog, even one that wants to be the overdog and maul us to death, we will be noble and thus succeed.

It is a world in which Senator Barbara Boxer can say, "Our national security experts...tell us that carbon pollution leading to climate change will be, over the next 20 years, the leading cause of conflict, putting our troops in harm's way...." Now even if you believe that "carbon pollution" is an important global problem that needs to be addressed, is this the way to think about it? Forget about the ambitions of Iran, China, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, and revolutionary Islamists and terrorists, the real cause of war is going to be carbon pollution?

Well, she is from California after all, but Boxer is expressing the zeitgeist (spirit of the age) also, though even "national security experts" don't talk like that. (Theory: She is reflecting Obama's national security doctrine and the White House-influenced Department of Defense Quadrennial Report which barely mentioned real-world threats.)

In short, what we are seeing is the abandonment of realpolitik and in a real sense of the real world itself. No! If a Canadian labor union or a British teacher's union (dominated by leftists) want to boycott Israel, or if newspapers write nasty articles about Israel, or if college professors want to teach slanted anti-Israel courses that is not the principal threat to Israel.

Of course, the concern is that eventually Western governments, staffed by people so indoctrinated, will turn against Israel. Yet after all the op-eds are written, governments make decisions based a bit more on the real world. After a half-century in which the threat of pressure on Israel has been discussed every day it has in fact amounted to little. Or as Professor Frédéric Encel
put it in Le Monde: "L'émotion et la compassion sont une chose, la diplomatie en est une autre." Emotion and compassion is one thing, diplomacy is something else entirely.

The real threat to Israel is not being unpopular in certain circles (and check out U.S. public opinion polls for a corrective there) but Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizballah, the Muslim Brotherhoods, and others of that ilk. And guess what? They are also the real threat to the West, too.

But you know what? In the end, it doesn't matter what people say, what matters is how the real world hits them upside the head. In 2001 an article ridiculed me for warning about a threat of revolutionary Islamist terrorism against the United States. It came out in early September, just before the eleventh day of that month. A few conks on the noggin coupled with elections will force more realistic policies. The only problem is who is going to do the bleeding, but it won't be from delegitimization but rather from being blown up.

So what's the bigger threat to Israel: Hamas becoming established permanently as the government of the Gaza Strip, training thousands of terrorists and importing arms or Western politicians and media criticizing Israel for stopping that from happening? It's no contest.

Golda Meir was right. Policy may be adjusted to reduce criticism but interests should not and will not be sacrificed.

[Note: The article by Kouchner and the other two foreign ministers called on Israel to drop the blockade of the Gaza Strip and the UN not to have an investigation that is designed to attack Israel, as happened with the Goldstone report. It also urged Israel not to use violence. What you do when your soldiers are attacked, beaten, and held hostages by radical Jihadists is not precisely clear. But these points lie outside the subject of this article.]

*Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal. His latest books are The Israel-Arab Reader (seventh edition), with Walter Laqueur (Viking-Penguin); the paperback edition of The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan); A Chronological History of Terrorism, with Judy Colp Rubin, (Sharpe); and The Long War for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley). To read and subscribe to MERIA, GLORIA articles, or to order books, go to http://www.gloria-center.org. You can read and subscribe to his blog at http://www.rubinreports.blogspot.com.

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/14/2010 8:44:13 AM
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Hi Helen,

Thanks for your input but to be perfectly honest the video you attached is not from the Marmara but from the Karin A that was stopped last year. The amount of weapons found on that ship and another one earlier was thousands upon thousands of tons.

While the Turks sent by IHH on board the Marmara were in my opinion on a sort of suicide mission there were no hard core weaponry found on board aside from what was shown in earlier videos.

Shalom,

Peter

Thank you Peter for letting me know that. Some on my list let me know too.

I should have been more careful. Darn! There were a couple of things in the article that should have alerted me to the possibility of a hoax. This kind of trickery and deceit is normal for the Muslim extremists. It isn't that they are smart enough for all these things. It is Satan running Islam that is smart enough since he has an IQ of around 700 to a human's average IQ of around 105 or so.

If it was an Israeli who sent the article and the link, it was stupid thing for them to do. Only the truth will help the Israelis.

I guess I can't win 'em all. I am sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused for anyone. I will be more careful in the future.

Have a great day!
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