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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/5/2010 5:31:04 PM

Hi Peter and Robert

I like the "pig" ideas. I must put together an email mail-out and hope it falls into the hands of those who need to know. If you have anything I can use as a credible reference, please send it me. My email address is below.

(By the way, if anyone wishes to be on my personal email list, it is ok with me. I send out various stuff, not just Muslim info. Send me an email if interested. You could try it for a while and if you wish to be removed later, just let me know. Most of the stuff I send is very interesting. I try to avoid sending fluff.)

I agree that "a conversion is not a personal achievement of our own doing". I just try to plant seeds, and let God take it from there. I encourage Muslims to read their own holy books, the Qur'an and Hadiths, and the biography of Muhammad. I sometimes suggest to them to compare Muhammad to Jesus in the Bible but often I don't mention the Bible at all. If they do this, they have accomplished much. Most Muslims don't read their own books. Instead they leave it up to the Imam to teach them once a week at mosque. People who convert to Islam do not know the truth about Islam either.

If someone were to say to me that I am to read something without question or thinking, I'd be questioning and thinking, believe me. My first question would be, "Why am I not to question or to think? Are they hiding something from me?"

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Hello Peter,

Yes it does work the “pig gun” or whatever one may wish to name it. (Poor darlings!) :-)

It has been tried with amazing success here in Europe in the big market shops that for some weird reasoning have made the odd Hallal rayon’s for the Islamic communities. The silly trick is to, as you select your own items, pick-up some ham from the ad-hoc shelf and as you venture to your other needs stop at the hallal rayon and mistakenly swap the ham for some shishkibab momentarily and return it to its shelf. Then of course, forget all about the ham and the darling old pig will start its nasty work of rendering the whole shelf completely inedible to the horror of the next Islam client who will dart out of the market place all head-rags flying.

And no Helen, in Islam the law is not to read the Koran as we read a book or a bible; they are only to go through the words and lines with no questioning or thinking about what is written. That way they will not fall into the deadly sin of having a personal thought about the idiocy that is found on just about every page. Hundreds of conversions have been obtained by simply telling them to read their book with the intelligence Allah has given them. If that is managed with respect to the person and he goes along with that idea (remember he is already in a grave sin according to Islam) our job is done. Nothing else can be done, because a conversion is not a personal achievement of our own doing.

Friendly yours,
Robert.


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/5/2010 6:13:05 PM
Here's another side to the flotilla story that you don't hear on Big media.
"Suicide Activists on the Gaza Flotilla" (MediaGoliath.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV6DVk04HkM
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/5/2010 8:19:43 PM
Hi Helen,
Thanks for the link to the video. I'm posting it below.
I think the "pig" idea is brilliant and for all we know might possibly work. In any case the video was quite amusing.
Shalom,
Peter


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
6/5/2010 8:36:30 PM
Excellent video Helen and Peter. Reasonable folks will see through this false activism. I just hope it isn't too late. I also wonder why there always seems to be a connection to radicals and Islam?

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Hi Helen,
Thanks for the link to the video. I'm posting it below.
I think the "pig" idea is brilliant and for all we know might possibly work. In any case the video was quite amusing.
Shalom,
Peter


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RE: HSIG -It was a Jihadist Attack not a "Humanitarian Operation"
6/6/2010 4:32:12 AM
Hello Friends,

What never ceases to amaze me is MSM and for that matter all the world's leaders "ability" to ignore facts staring them in the face and then preach and "report" the exact opposite.

Yeah, I know they all need a punch bag and Israel is the most convenient one around and one that has so few supporters that lying and appeasing Radical Islam is their main forte.

Here are a few more facts (in the below article by Barry Rubin) they totally ignored that you might find interesting. One thing you might like to keep in mind is that the lack of goods is not one that Gaza suffers from and that for some strange reason HAS been reported on by some of the MSM (not enough) but it is there and much more can be found on the internet.

Shalom,

Peter



Gaza Flotilla's Leader Explains: It was a Jihadist Attack not a "Humanitarian Operation"

By Barry Rubin*

June 4, 2010

http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/2010/06/flotilla-was-a-jihadist-attack


Bülent Yildirim, the main organizer of the Gaza Flotilla, explained at a Hamas rally in Gaza that the operation was no humanitarian effort but part of a global Jihad to overthrow governments and install Islamist dictatorships. He made no secret of that fact, as shown in the MEMRI translation and video.

Keep in mind as you read this that his group originated the project and was the main funder, that his followers controlled the biggest ship, and that they were most of those who attacked the Israeli soldiers. Thus, more than any other individual, Yildirim represents the thinking behind the operation, its direction, and the organization of a militarized group that started the violence in order to achieve the intended result. Notice, too, that he--and thus the organizers of the operation and those who created the violence--are totally indifferent to the loss of life they cause.

"My brothers," he begins, "I have brought you the blessings of Saladin and Sultan Abd Al-Hamid. There are 70 million Sultan Abd Al-Hamids in Turkey, and they all support you. We congratulate you on your victory."

Saladin, of course, defeated the Crusaders and destroyed their kingdoms, an analogy often drawn about Israel by Jihadists. Sultan Abd al-Hamid was the last of the Ottoman Empire's Islamic-oriented rulers. He thus represents what Yildirim sees as an Islamist Turkish state. He was also a caliph, that is, the leader of the Muslim world as successor to Muhammad. Many Islamists want to reestablish the caliphate, a single Muslim ruler over the whole Muslim-majority world (or even the whole world period). The Turkish Islamists hate Kemal Ataturk for establishing a republic and ending the caliphate (along with the Young Turk secularists).

Their goal is not to succor the people of Gaza but to wipe out Israel and kill the Jews as "rightful" (his words, not mine) successors to Muhammad in continuing this task:

"Three to four years ago, some claimed that Hamas was a terrorist organization. When the Jews would kill our women and children, they would say: 'Muhammad died and left only daughters.' We are here, in Turkey, in Egypt, Syria, and everywhere, and our daughters and our boys can also defeat you."

From this point it is interesting how the Arabic translator misstates what Yildirim actually says:

Arabic Translator: "We are here, in Egypt, in Sudan, in Syria, in Turkey, and everywhere. Our women, our children, and our men support you."

Remember, Yildirim is explicitly talking only about Turks (though he does mean all Muslims also) but the translator turns it into a more Arab-oriented statement by mentioning three specific Arab countries. It's a subtle sign of how even Arab Islamists don't quite feel comfortable with the non-Arab Turks.

Bülent Yildirim: "Allah Akbar. Allah be praised. Allah Akbar. Allah be praised. Allah Akbar. Allah be praised. They have bombs, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, but we have our hearts, we have our courage, and we are not afraid of anyone but Allah."

This is the typical Islamist trope: they are stronger but we court martyrdom and we have the deity on our side. Of course, it is always better if the other side is never allowed to use its weapons in self-defense because that is deemed illegitimate and your Jihad is interpreted as a peaceful humanitarian effort by those who don't listen to what you are actually saying.

Arabic Translator: "They have used their nuclear and chemical weapons, and all their weapons, but all we have, after Allah, are our courageous hearts and our men."

Note the difference. Yildrim only says they have the weapons, but Hamas-in its decidedly non-moderate way-says these weapons have been used. I hesitate to say it but it is by no means impossible that in many places there will soon be claims that the Israeli soldiers used chemical weapons on the ship. Oh, yes, that claim has already surfaced in non-Muslim Portugal.

Bülent Yildirim: "Let me tell you that if it were not for the ceasefire, Istanbul, Ankara, Diyarbakir, and all of Turkey would be in Gaza."

The ceasefire is that between Hamas and Israel. In other words, if the fighting renews, all Turks would go and fight for Hamas. This is not realistic, of course, but is a sign that Yildirim views the issue as a war of extermination against Israel. And, by the way, if he is advocating war this shows he puts Jihad and battle over the humanitarian well-being of Gazans. How many Gazans would be killed in that war? And what would those casualties be in terms of suffering compared to the delivery of outdated medicines and various other goods in the ships?

Yildirim continues by saying that if Allah so wills there will be no more embargo. This would mean, of course, that Hamas could get all the arms and military equipment it wants. Notice he doesn't call for an easing of the embargo just to let in humanitarian needs and consumer goods. But wait! If Hamas spends the money on arms then that will reduce the living standards of Gazans!

So Yildirim, like Hamas, tells the people of Gaza: Don't moderate! Don't make peace with your neighbors! Fight the Jihad and be a martyr! Raise your children to be suicide bombers! And if the embargo is reduced and Western countries cozy up to Hamas there is good news and bad news.

The good news is that Gazans may get more consumer goods.

The bad news is that for the rest of their lives they will be forced to fight an endless war, suffer huge casualties, undergo material deprivations, lose their children to either mindless extremism or death, and live under an oppressive regime that will repress any freedom and turn women into chattel.

How humanitarian is that?

Then Yildirim threatens to overthrow any government that doesn't support Hamas. Think of how the Egyptians, Saudis, and other governments feel about that:

Bülent Yildirim: "From here, I call upon all the leaders of the Islamic world, and upon all the peoples... Anyone who does not stand alongside Palestine - his throne will be toppled."

Yildirim does not see the Western outpouring of criticism against Israel as increasing humanitarian sentiments but as a step toward Islamist revolution and the takeover of more countries:

Bülent Yildirim: "Last night, everything in the world has changed, and everything is progressing towards Islam. All the peoples of the Islamic world would want a leader like Recep Tayyip Erdogan."

Here is a direct pledge of allegiance to Turkey's prime minister, the man behind the operation. So if Yildirim is a revolutionary Islamist who wants to destroy Israel, favors Jihad, and threatens moderate Arab regimes does that mean Erdogan, that model of a "moderate" Muslim "democrat" agree? Would he dissociate himself from Yildrim's remarks?

Of course not.

Bülent Yildirim: "In conclusion, let me tell you, oh my Palestinian brothers, who are guarded by Allah and the angels - I wish we could take you away from here to Istanbul, and bring Istanbul here to be hit by the bombs instead of you."

I wonder how the people of Istanbul generally feel about that wish? But if Erdogan continues with his adventurist, pro-Jihadist policies of alliance with Iran and Syria, who knows how much violence, instability, and suffering it will bring to the Turkish people? And that's not a threat, it is a genuine fear for the well-being of a Turkish nation in the grip of such mad men and their patrons.

And if you have any doubt left about the nature of these "peace activists" and "humanitarians" just
watch this in which the ship tells Israelis to go back to Auschwitz, remember September 11, and the operation's goal is to hurt the United States.


*Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal. His latest books are The Israel-Arab Reader (seventh edition), with Walter Laqueur (Viking-Penguin); the paperback edition of The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan); A Chronological History of Terrorism, with Judy Colp Rubin, (Sharpe); and The Long War for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley). To read and subscribe to MERIA, GLORIA articles, or to order books, go to http://www.gloria-center.org. You can read and subscribe to his blog at http://www.rubinreports.blogspot.com.


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