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Re: HSIG - Jerusalem Post- Fatah Has Never Recognized Israel
7/25/2009 4:55:20 AM
Hello Friends,

Here's some more interesting information about Fatah's claim to never recognize Israel and it's plan to continue using their terrorist tactics to destroy Israel

The article I posted yesterday was from a right wing news source and today's is from what is considered to be a more center/left news paper the Jerusalem Post.

What's interesting to me is the similarity of the two articles. This is proof that the consensus in Israel is changing and in a way we can thank B Hussein for that. His fanatical support for the PA/Fatah and for Hamas plus his claim that the building in Judea, Sameria and Jerusalem are the main obstacles to peace. Those with a minimum of common sense realize that the claim is ridiculous and has no bearing on the conflict. It's an excuse used by the Palestinians but not the reason. They want it all and that's why they can't and won't agree to peace talks. 

The fighting between the Fatah and Hamas is another point to consider seriously. Not only is Hamas refusing to accept the terms to join the peace talks the inner conflict between Hamas and Fatah  is causing a debate and fight for who is the more terroristic of the two terrorist groups. So we can expect an escalation of attacks if only to prove a point. Oh yes, how about the fighting between these two terrorist organizations??? Quite a unique situation one that in the end might bring B Hussein to demand a 3 state solution.

I wonder should I be thanking B Hussein??? I think not cos he is also the major reason for the stagnation of the peace talks that aren't progressing at any rate what so ever and  that we can attribute to the great pretender B Hussein. They believe he'll do all the "negotiating" for them and in that way they'll get the whole pie and will freely become another terrorist state amongst the many others in the world.

Shalom,

Peter



'Fatah has never recognized Israel'



Fatah has never recognized Israel's right to exist and it has no intention of ever doing so, a veteran senior leader of the Western-backed faction said on Wednesday.

A Palestinian woman rests...

A Palestinian woman rests next to a wall decorated with a graffiti supporting Fatah, in the West Bank refugee camp of Kalandia.
Photo: AP

Rafik Natsheh, member of the Fatah Central Committee who also serves as chairman of the faction's disciplinary "court," is the second senior official in recent months to make similar statements regarding Israel.

Natsheh is also a former minister in the Palestinian Authority government who briefly served as Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

Earlier this year, Muhammad Dahlan, another top Fatah figure, said that Fatah had never recognized Israel's right to exist despite the fact that it is the largest faction in the PLO, which signed the Oslo Accords with Israel.

Natsheh's remarks came days before Fatah's general assembly that is slated to take place in Bethlehem on August 4.

The assembly, the first in two decades, is expected to bring some 1,500 Fatah delegates together to discuss ways of reforming the faction and holding internal elections.

One of the topics on the conference's agenda is whether Fatah should formally abandon the armed struggle and recognize Israel's right to exist.

"Fatah does not recognize Israel's right to exist," Natsheh said, "nor have we ever asked others to do so." His comments, which appeared in an interview with Al-Quds Al-Arabi, came in response to reports according to which Fatah had asked Hamas to recognize Israel as a precondition for the establishment of a Palestinian unity government.

"All these reports about recognizing Israel are false," Natsheh, who is closely associated with PA President Mahmoud Abbas, said. "It's all media nonsense. We don't ask other factions to recognize Israel because we in Fatah have never recognized Israel."

Asked about calls for dropping the reference to armed struggle from Fatah's charter, Natsheh said: "Let all the collaborators [with Israel] and those who are deluding themselves hear that this will never happen. We'll meet at the conference [in Bethlehem]."

Natsheh stressed that neither Fatah nor the Palestinians would ever relinquish the armed struggle against Israel "no matter how long the occupation continues." He said that Fatah, at the upcoming conference, would reiterate its adherence to the option of pursuing "all forms" of an armed struggle against Israel.

Another senior Fatah representative, Azzam al-Ahmed, confirmed that his faction would renew its pledge to pursue the armed struggle against Israel during the conference.

"The Fatah conference won't obliterate the "resistance option," he said."Fatah has been the target of a conspiracy to liquidate it ever since the signing of the Oslo Accords and the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority. The elimination of Fatah means the end of the revolutionary era which began in 1965 [when Fatah was founded]." He said that, more than four decades later, Fatah's main strategy and goals remain unchanged.

The decision to convene the conference in Bethlehem has triggered a crisis in Fatah. Many Fatah living in Arab countries have protested Abbas's decision, saying it was inconceivable that the parley be held under "Israeli occupation." They are still demanding that the conference be held in an Arab country to avoid a situation where Israel would try to prevent some delegates from arriving in Bethlehem.

Meanwhile, there is growing concern in Fatah that Hamas would not permit hundreds of Fatah activists from leaving the Gaza Strip to attend the conference. Senior Fatah officials said that the conference would be called off if Hamas stopped the Fatah members from leaving the Gaza Strip.

The officials said that Fatah leaders have been talking to Syria and Egypt about the possibility that Hamas might prevent their men from traveling to the West Bank. "We made it clear to the Egyptians and Syrians that the conference would not be convened without the Fatah members from the Gaza Strip," a Fatah official in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post.

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Re: HSIG - Palestinian Refugees Blame Arab Leaders For Their Plight
7/25/2009 5:26:30 AM
Hello Friends,

Many times in the past we've discussed the  Palestinian refugee issue. The PA/Fatah/Hamas, all the Arab countries and Islamic countries blame Israel for driving them out in 1948. Nothing further can be the truth. They all left of their own volition after being "advised" by the Arab leaders to leave for 10 to 14 days at most until Israel is destroyed by the Arab armies.

To my great happiness this never happened and Israel defeated all the invading armies and the refugees failed to return to their homes. Hence the refugee camps and the continued refusal of all the Arab states to incorporate them into their countries. Had they not left they would have the same rights as citizens of Israel as the Arabs that didn't leave.

Now we have a chance to hear from the refugees why they left Israel and who they blame for the situation they are in.

Shalom,

Peter


Palestinian Media Watch

Palestinian testimony:
Arab responsibility for Palestinian refugees
by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik

"The radio stations of the Arab regimes kept repeating to us: 'Get away from the battle lines. It's a matter of ten days or two weeks at the most, and we'll bring you back to Ein-Kerem [near Jerusalem].' And we said to ourselves, 'That's a very long time. What is this? Two weeks? That's a lot!' That's what we thought [then]. And now 50 years have gone by." [PATV, July 7, 2009]

With these words an Arab resident of a refugee camp recounts the reason why his family left Israel in 1948, in an interview broadcast on PA TV this month.
Click here to view the interview on PA TV

In recent years, Palestinian leaders, writers and refugees have spoken out in the Palestinian media, blaming the Arab leadership for the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem. According to these accounts, and contrary to the Palestinian myth that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were deported by Israel in 1948, the vast majority of the Arab exodus from Israel was voluntary, and the result of orders by the Arab leadership.

Furthermore, the fact that this information has been openly discussed by public figures and refugees in the Palestinian Authority media itself suggests that awareness of this responsibility may be widespread - even though Palestinian leaders continue to blame Israel for "the expulsion" for propaganda purposes.

The following statements in the PA media shed significant light on the events of 1948 and counter the attempts by the Palestinian Authority to hide this part of history.
 
1. Arab resident of refugee camp:
"This picture was taken a week before we left Ein-Kerem [near Jerusalem] in June 1948, in front of our house. The radio stations of the Arab regimes kept repeating to us: 'Get away from the battle lines. It's a matter of ten days or two weeks at the most, and we'll bring you back to Ein-Kerem.' And we said to ourselves, 'That's a very long time. What is this? Two weeks? That's a lot!' That's what we thought [then]. And now 50 years have gone by."
[PATV, July 7, 2009]

Click here to view this interview on PA TV
 
2. Jawad Al-Bashiti, Palestinian journalist in Jordan:
"Remind me of one real cause from all the factors that have caused the 'Palestinian Catastrophe' [the establishment of Israel and the creation of the refugee problem], and I will remind you that it still exists... The reasons for the Palestinian Catastrophe are the same reasons that have produced and are still producing our Catastrophes today.
During the Little Catastrophe, meaning the Palestinian Catastrophe, the following happened: the first war between Arabs and Israel had started and the 'Arab Salvation Army' came and told the Palestinians: 'We have come to you in order to liquidate the Zionists and their state. Leave your houses and villages, you will return to them in a few days safely. Leave them so we can fulfill our mission (destroy Israel) in the best way and so you won't be hurt.' It became clear already then, when it was too late, that the support of the Arab states (against Israel) was a big illusion. The Arabs fought as if intending to cause the 'Palestinian Catastrophe'."
[Al-Ayyam, May 13, 2008]
 
3. Mahmoud Al-Habbash, Palestinian journalist in PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida:
"The leaders and the elites promised us at the beginning of the 'Catastrophe' in 1948 that the duration of the exile would not be long, and that it would not last more than a few days or months, and afterwards the refugees would return to their homes, which most of them did not leave only until they put their trust in those "Orkubian" promises made by the leaders and the political elites. Afterwards, days passed, months, years and decades, and the promises were lost with the strain of the succession of events..."
[The term "Orkubian" invokes Orkub, a figure from Arab tradition who was known for breaking his promises and for his lies.]
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Dec. 13, 2006]
 
4. Asmaa Jabir Balasimah, woman who fled Israel in 1948:
"We heard sounds of explosions and of gunfire at the beginning of the summer in the year of the 'Catastrophe' [1948]. They [Arab leaders] told us: The Jews attacked our region and it is better to evacuate the village and return after the battle is over. And indeed there were among us [those who fled Israel] those who left a fire burning under the pot, those who left their flock [of sheep] and those who left their money and gold behind, based on the assumption that we would return after a few hours."
[Al-Ayyam, May 16, 2006]

5. Ibrahim Sarsur, Head of the Islamic Movement in Israel:
An Arab viewer called Palestinian Authority TV and quoted his father, saying that in 1948 the Arab District Officer ordered all Arabs to leave Palestine or be labeled traitors. In response, Ibrahim Sarsur, now Arab Member of Israeli Parliament Knesset, then Head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, cursed those Arab leaders, thus acknowledging Israel's historical record.

Viewer: "Mr. Ibrahim [Sarsur]: I address you as a Muslim. My father and grandfather told me that during the 'Catastrophe' [in 1948], our District Officer issued an order that whoever stays in Palestine and in Majdel [near Ashkelon - southern Israel] is a traitor, he is a traitor."
Ibrahim Sarsur, now MK, then Head of the Islamic Movement in Israel: "The one who gave the order forbidding them to stay there bears guilt for this, in this life and the Afterlife throughout history until Resurrection Day."
[PA TV April 30, 1999]
6. Fuad Abu Hajla, senior Palestinian journalist:
Fuad Abu Hajla, then a regular columnist in the official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, wrote an article before an Arab Summit, criticizing Arab leaders. One of the failures he cited, in the name of a prisoner, was that an earlier generation of Arab leaders had "forced" them to leave Israel in 1948.
"I have received a letter from a prisoner in Acre prison, to the Arab summit:
To the [Arab and Muslim] Kings and Presidents: Poverty is killing us, the symptoms are exhausting us and the souls are leaving our body, yet you are still searching for the way to provide aid, like one who is looking for a needle in a haystack or like the armies of your predecessors in the year of 1948, who forced us to leave [Israel], on the pretext of clearing the battlefields of civilians... So what will your summit do now?"
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, March 19, 2001]
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Re: HSIG - BHO Lacks Facts And Jumps the Gun - Yet Again
7/27/2009 2:56:15 AM
Hello Friends,

We've seen time and time again that B Hussein makes claims and states "facts" that have no foundation and in many cases are incorrect. This hasn't stopped him and he's apparently of the mind that he can do no wrong. The problem is that there are "still many" that believe this to be true even though his popularity and approval ratings are going down from month to month.

Needless to say that his actions, deeds and statements reflect his beliefs and plans for the US and the world cos he still thinks he's a world leader.  His popularity in foreign countries in some cases is greater then in the US and why not he's been apologizing non stop and apparently they like it. The majority of the world leaders don't think much of him and that includes the Muslim world. But in this case they will and are using him to their benefit but when it comes to the crunch he'll see their backs and their ridicule.

His bullying and thuggery are becoming evident to many and he has new scapegoats every day. Cross him or speak out against him and you're on his "to destroy list".

Dry Bones today touches on this topic and covers it quite well. B Hussein's defense of a personal friend without knowing the facts once again showed his intentions and lack of shame to use the race issue to what he thought was his advantage. Another plan that went sour and boomeranged on him.

It won't be the last of that I can assure you, we are in for more of the same until he finally realizes that he doesn't walk on water. Far from it! Arrogance will be his downfall in the end and the sooner the better.

Shalom,

Peter




The President was asked:
"Recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?"

His answer began with:

"I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here." the President then said: "I don't know all the facts".


His admission of both bias and lack of knowledge of the facts did not stop the President from pronouncing judgement by saying that:

"The Cambridge police acted stupidly"
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Exactly the way he does not allow his bias and lack of knowledge of the facts interfere with his pronouncing judgement on Israel.

How could I NOT have done today's cartoon?

-Dry Bones- Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973

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Re: HSIG - Shariah Law Takes Precedance Over The US Constitution. So Says The HTA Conference
7/28/2009 3:33:53 PM

 
Sunny Greetings from California, Peter!

I would like to share with the readers of your forum an eye-opening four-part documentary that tells the truth about radical Islam in America. The video's title is The Third Jihad. It was narrated by a devout Muslim American, Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser. Dr. Jasser made the following opening statement in the document: “This is not a film about Islam. It is about the threat of radical Islam. Only a small percentage of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are radical. This film is about them.”

Here are the links to

The Third Jihad, part 1: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=tAfPJzb7Yc 

The Third Jihad, part 2: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=XWZqXJfYXi 

The Third Jihad, part 3: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=GOUE1U4oHF

The Third Jihad, part 4: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=iZz1hNWl2A


I believe that every American and politician at all levels who cares about liberty, freedom, and the American way of life needs to view this documentary over and over. With Obama in the White House, radical Islam organizations in America are being given a free rein with their Jihad activities.

Until next time --

Conservatively Yours and Shalom!

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Re: HSIG - Shariah Law Takes Precedance Over The US Constitution. So Says The HTA Conference
7/28/2009 3:55:25 PM

 
Hi Peter,

Sorry the links did not display correctly in my previous post because of the corrupted html codes. I'll try again to post those links below:


The Third Jihad, part 1: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=tAfPJzb7Yc


The Third Jihad, part 2: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=XWZqXJfYXi


The Third Jihad, part 3: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=GOUE1U4oHF


The Third Jihad, part 4: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=iZz1hNWl2A


Again I believe that every American and politician at all levels who cares about liberty, freedom, and the American way of life needs to view this documentary over and over. With Obama in the White House, radical Islam organizations in America are being given a free rein with their Jihad activities.

Until next time --

Conservatively Yours and Shalom!

JoAnne Green
Principal / International Risk Management Advisor
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