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Re: HSIG - The 2 State Solution a Pipe Dream ?
6/3/2009 4:02:35 AM


Look at this!  I am becoming more convinced every day that the United States made a BIG mistake electing this man to the presidency.  I would not have voted for him in the first place but once elected I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ....but he is nuts!

Take a look at this article.

This will be bad for the US as well as Israel if it were to happen.   Every time the US moves against Israel having the land that God intends them to have, a major catastrophe of immense proportions happens. 

Let's pray for Israel ...AND the United States.  Let's pray for the president to have his eyes opened to the truth.  This guy is obviously a Muslim if this article is accurate.

Helen



WND Exclusive
FROM WND'S JERSALEM, BUREAU
Obama promises Arabs Jerusalem will be theirs
Official: President said Palestinian state with holy city capital 'in American interest'

Posted: May 30, 2009
5:39 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Jerusalem

JERUSALEM – President Obama and his administration told Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas during a meeting last week the U.S. foresees the creation of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, according to a top PA official speaking to WND.

"The American administration was very friendly to the position of the PA," said Nimer Hamad, Abbas' senior political adviser.

"Abu Mazen (Abbas) heard from Obama and his administration in a very categorical way that a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital is in the American national and security interest," Hamad said.

Another PA official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told WND today that Obama informed Abbas he would not let Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "get in the way" of normalizing U.S. relations with the Arab and greater Muslim world.

"We were told from this new administration they will not allow a Netanyahu government to hurt their efforts of rehabilitating U.S. relations with the Arab and Islamic world, which is a high priority of Obama," the official said, speaking during a visit to Cairo.                       

Also in Cairo today, Abbas met with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, where the Palestinian leader briefed Egypt's president on his recent trip to Washington, saying the U.S. was committed to bringing about an end to Israeli construction in the West Bank.

Hamad's comments about Jerusalem today come as controversy abounded regarding the U.S. position on Israel's capital city.

Last week, the State Department refuted a speech in which Netanyahu said Jerusalem never will be divided.

"Jerusalem is Israel's capital," Netanyahu said at an event marking Jerusalem's reunification. "Jerusalem was always ours and will always be ours. It will never again be partitioned and divided."

In response, the State Department released a statement that Jerusalem "is a final status issue."

"Israel and the Palestinians have agreed to resolve its status during negotiations. We will support their efforts to reach agreements on all final status issues," the statement said.

Also last week, a top Palestinian Authority official claimed in a WND interview that the Obama administration told the PA that Jerusalem will never be united under Israeli sovereignty.

"Americans said an open Jerusalem – yes. But a united Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty – no," Hatem Abdel Khader, the PA's minister for Jerusalem affairs, said in comments to both WND and Israel's Ynetnews website.

"(The Obama administration) has made clear that Jerusalem must be accessible to everyone – but not united under Israel's rule," Khader said.  {Jerusalem already is and has been 'accessible to everyone'.   That will change if the Arabs get it.  What are they talking about?  ..Helen}

Khader claimed the U.S. is cooperating with the PA to "thwart Israel's plans in Jerusalem."

"When they collaborate with us in Israeli courts against home demolitions or the confiscation of land we see their attitude," he said.

Khader told WND, "The Americans are very present on the ground, and they are making pressure over Israeli authorities and even municipalities."

"They are acting according to the concept that the failure to establish a Palestinian state would jeopardize U.S. national security interests – and without Jerusalem there is no Palestinian state," he said.

U.S. helps Palestinians live illegally near Temple Mount

Khader's claim the U.S. is helping the Palestinians gain a foothold in Jerusalem is accurate. In April, WND reported that under intense American pressure and following a nearly unprecedented behind-the-scenes U.S. campaign, the Netanyahu government has decided not to bulldoze Palestinian homes built illegally on Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem.

The issue is critical since the 80 homes in question are located in Silwan, an eastern Jerusalem neighborhood close to the Temple Mount and Jerusalem's Old City that the Palestinians claim as a future capital. Jewish groups have been working to fortify the community's Jewish presence. Silwan is adjacent to the City of David, a massive archeological dig just outside the Temple Mount that is constantly turning up Temple artifacts.

Like tens of thousands of other Arab housing projects throughout eastern Jerusalem, the Palestinian homes in Silwan were illegally constructed on property long ago purchased by Jews. The Israeli government ordered the structures' legal demolition.

But during a visit here in early March, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton strongly protested the planned bulldozing.

"Clearly this kind of activity is unhelpful and not in keeping with the obligations entered into under the Road Map," she said. "It is an issue that we intend to raise with the government of Israel and the government at the municipal level in Jerusalem."

The Road Map calls for Israel to freeze Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank but does not bar Israel from dismantling illegally constructed Palestinian homes in Jerusalem.

WND learned that in the weeks since Clinton's visit here, the U.S. mounted an intensive campaign lobbying the Israeli government against tearing down the illegal Palestinian homes in Silwan. The campaign included letters from the Middle East section of the State Department addressed to various Jerusalem municipalities, with copies of the letters sent to the offices of Israel's prime minister and foreign minister. The letters called on Israel to allow the illegal Palestinian homes in Silwan to remain and stated any demolitions would not foster an atmosphere of peace.

Also, in a follow-up visit here, State Department officials made it clear to their Israeli counterparts the U.S. opposes the Silwan bulldozing.   {If the PA was bulldozing Israeli homes, that would be ok?  ..according to Hillary and her boss?}

According to sources in the Israeli government, including in Netanyahu's administration, a decision has been made not to bulldoze the illegal Palestinian homes. The sources said the issue of the homes may be raised again in the future, but for the time being the houses will remain intact. {Try getting the same kind of treatment of the Israelis by the PA}

The sources attributed the decision against the bulldozing – which has not yet been announced – to the intense American campaign against the house demolitions.

Said one source in Netanyahu's administration, "This was very frustrating to us. Can you imagine if a foreign government came in and told a city office in the U.S. not to tear down a house that was illegally constructed on someone else's property?"

While Clinton opposed the Palestinian house demolitions, informed Israeli officials said the Obama administration is carefully monitoring Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem and has already protested to the highest levels of Israeli government about evidence of housing expansion in those areas.

The officials, who spoke on condition that their names be withheld, said that last month Obama's Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, oversaw the establishment of an apparatus based in the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem that closely monitors eastern Jerusalem neighborhoods, incorporating regular tours on a daily basis.

The officials said that in recent meetings Mitchell strongly protested Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem. Mitchell also condemned the work of nationalist Jewish groups to purchase property in Jerusalem's Old City, including in areas intimately tied to Judaism.

Israel recaptured eastern Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount – Judaism's holiest site – during the 1967 Six Day War.

The Palestinians, however, have claimed eastern Jerusalem as a future capital. About 244,000 Arabs live in Jerusalem, mostly in eastern neighborhoods, out of a total population of 724,000, the majority Jewish.

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Re: HSIG - The 2 State Solution a Pipe Dream ?
6/3/2009 6:13:57 AM

Hi Helen,

I read that article yesterday I think and even though is annoyed me greatly to say the least it didn't surprise me after all the great pretenders declarations during Abbas's visit and after. I always believed he'll screw Israel and I guess I wasn't off base with that feeling.

B Hussein has his agenda and he's working "diligently" to succeed. I sincerely hope that Bibi will stand up to this nonsense and start working on the real issues. Only time will tell.

Now we'll have to wait and see what damage and apologies he'll make while in Egypt. They feel his weakness and are using it to their advantage. But it suits his and the Saudi King's agenda.

Shalom,

Peter

 

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Re: HSIG - The 2 State Solution a Pipe Dream ?
6/3/2009 8:18:47 AM
Hi Peter and Friends,

I do not see a two party state in Israel ever being a solution for the nation , knowing that the Koran teaches to kill every Jew until there is none left on earth . Iran and other Islamic nations have said and are still  saying they want to alienate Israel and all the Jews in the world .. so why would anyone expect a two party state to coexist with out thousands of people dying  and total chaos ? Israel gave them Gaza and daily are bombarded with rockets .. appeasing them has not worked in the past and it wont work now.


Shalom,

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Re: HSIG - The 2 State Solution a Pipe Dream ?
6/3/2009 3:04:08 PM

Hi Geketa,

Very true. The world has seen what Hamas has done to Gaza since Israel withdrew from the whole area. Catastrophic results and unfortunately in hindsight an erroneous move but what's done is done.

As I said in the past I was always against a 2 state solution cos I never believed it would work but for the past few years I accepted that we have to give it a chance. Unfortunately as you can see there is no one to talk to. All they do is demand what isn't theirs to begin with and aren't able, capable or willing to sit down and start serious peace talks. Only demands.

It's all a facade and games as far as they're concerned and now they believe B Hussein will do the dirty deed. I believe we're made of sterner stuff and will survive Hussein's one sided "demands".

Shalom,

Peter 

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Re: HSIG - BHO Says -The USA Is One Of The Largest Muslim Countries In The World
6/3/2009 3:07:22 PM
Hello Friends,

B Hussein already started making his erroneous statements before his speech in Egypt. While being interviewed yesterday by French TV he stated that the USA is "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".

Factually this is incorrect as so many of his statements are but I actually believe it's a case of wishful thinking.
Even if the USA has around 8 million Muslims ( a very high estimate) how does that make the USA a Muslim country? The man and his agenda is becoming moreobvious and hopefully this will be a wake up call for all the sheeples.
I've been referring to the great pretender as a "closet" Muslim and as each day goes by I believe he's slowly coming out of the closet.

I shudder to think what he'll apologize about tomorrow in Egypt. Question is did he get special instructions from his liege during his visit in Saudi Arabia. I'm quite confident he did. We'll know tomorrow and I hope the damage won't be to great.

The article below reviews B Hussein's Muslim past that he denied but the proof was there during the campaign and is still there for all to see.

Shalom,

Peter


OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Obama: U.S. 'one of largest Muslim countries'
President makes inaccurate statement as White House stresses his Islamic roots

Posted: June 03, 2009
11:17 am Eastern

By Aaron Klein

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM – The number of Muslims in the U.S. would make America "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world," claimed President Obama in an interview released last night.

His assertion, which is factually inaccurate, comes one day before he is set to deliver a much-anticipated address to the Muslim world from Cairo, Egypt.

Teasing the speech with the French television network Canal Plus, Obama commented"

"Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples."

He continued that his Muslim outreach aims to establish "better dialogue" so the Muslim world understands more effectively "how the U.S. but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians."

As the Weekly Standard points out, Obama's claim American Muslims could make the U.S. one of the largest Islamic countries is not demographically true. The most generous estimates put America's Muslim population at about 8 million, which would barely place the U.S. in the top 42 Muslim countries.

The Standard's Michael Goldfarb comments, "Obama is undertaking a very significant reorientation of American foreign policy, and one hopes that he isn't doing so on the very mistaken belief that the U.S. is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.

"Actually, if you look at the number of Jewish Americans, we'd be the largest Jewish country in the world after Israel. And America is the largest Christian country in the world. This context might be useful to the president as he tries to help the Muslim world better understand the United States," Goldfarb writes.

Meanwhile, ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report the White House's new approach of stressing Obama's Islamic roots as part of the president's outreach to the Muslim world. The move is in contrast to Obama's stance during the presidential campaign, during which the mere mention of his middle name – Hussein – was strongly condemned as fear-mongering by Obama's spokesmen.

During a conference call in preparation for the president's Muslim address tomorrow, deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Denis McDonough said "the President himself experienced Islam on three continents before he was able to – or before he's been able to visit, really, the heart of the Islamic world – you know, growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father – obviously Muslim Americans (are) a key part of Illinois and Chicago."

Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'

Obama's faith was a central part of his presidential campaign. He has repeatedly denied he is a Muslim. His presidential campaign website contained the statement, "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

But as WND reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

Obama's campaign wavered several times wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator's childhood faith.

Commenting on a Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque, Obama's campaign released a statement explaining the senator "has never been a practicing Muslim."

Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968 Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.

Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion.

After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled "also as a Muslim, according to documents" in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.

Laotze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted, "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school, and a young 'Barry Soetoro,' being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."

Indeed, in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher, but he is still in my memory," claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

The Kaltim Post said Obama's teacher, named Hendri, had died.

"I remember that he studied mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house," Amir said. "If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny."

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.

"We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque," said Adi. "But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played."

Friday prayers

Obama's official campaign site contained a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page stated, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."

But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a "practicing Muslim" clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputed Adi's statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama's declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama.

But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article.

It quotes Obama's former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling how the young Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article "cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim" actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services.

In an interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

The first few lines of the call to prayer state:

Allah is Supreme! 
Allah is Supreme! 
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! 
I witness that there is no god but Allah 
I witness that there is no god but Allah 
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet ...

Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, Obama stated: "The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

Still, Obama maintains he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim.

"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding," he told the Times of London.

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