Hi Linda, My main effort in this thread is to warn people to be careful how they use search engines. There are so many offers to submit to a bunch of search engines. Just plain submitting with those submit for free links is not always a good idea. Yes, the webcredible link is not current. It is more current than the notion to blindly submit to search engines and wait for the traffic to roll in. Please be advised that I do not totally agree with that article on webcredible. I do still use search engine optimization. I do post to search engines, small and large. I do it having prepared my sites for the search engines first. I agree with you that linkback or reciprocal links are more important than just posting to a search engine. In that respect what you say and what the webcredible article says agree I think. I do not mind the feedback. I think the issue needs to be brought out and thoroughly discussed which I am sure has been done in the past on the search engine forums, just not focused on this issue as another point to consider. I started this thread because I have many friends part of other forums where the forum owner is leading my friends down a common path of search engine bliss that I believe is far less current than this webcredible article. Horror stories about google is one of the points of the the webcredible article. The formula for how to be successful with google changes so rapidly, the best thing to do, as I have already stated in the thread, is to focus on your customer. Find targeted customers. AdlandPro is a great way to do that if you do it right. For example, instead of posting your ad, press release, etc. in all forums you are part of information about your goods or services, post in the forums that specifically relate to your goods and/or services. I know you know this Linda, I am stating it here for the benefit of our readers who may not have considered these specifics yet. I am glad you are here to support the thread with an experienced voice. Thank you for taking the time to share with us. Sincerely,

Hi David; You're very welcome. : ) My main effort in this thread is to warn people to be careful how they use search engines. There are so many offers to submit to a bunch of search engines. Just plain submitting with those submit for free links is not always a good idea. You're very right there. The biggest mistake people make is NOT reading the terms and conditions of the search engines themselves. Horror stories about google is one of the points of the the webcredible article. The formula for how to be successful with google changes so rapidly, the best thing to do, as I have already stated in the thread, is to focus on your customer. I tend to get very passionate about this subject because it's what I do for a living. Horror stories about Google exist because so many people are uneducated and have NOT read Google's terms and conditions. This makes them vulnerable to any pitch and to using techniques that Google themselves tell people not to use. See, the thing is, the criteria to be successful with Google has NOT CHANGED in all the years since their beta version came out in 1998. It ONLY changes for the people that are violating their terms and conditions to get in through "holes" in the algorithm. If an optimizer or site owner is using a hole in the algorithm to get into Google... yes, the "rules" will change. When Google finds the hole, they plug it and dump sites that were using the vulnerability to get listings. Hence, the appearance that the rules are changing. But, for anyone that is getting into Google following their algorithm, the methodology has not changed in years. I have many sites that have held multiple page one listings for years, despite all the Google dancing and hole plugging and algorithm changing. Google posts loud and clear on their site, things like "do NOT use doorway pages, do NOT use software like webposition gold, do NOT join linkfarms...." etc. But when people don't read the terms and conditions, and follow blindly anything they read - I can see how they think it's a horror. It's a horror of their own making, really. The guidelines are there for anyone to read. One thing you're VERY right in -- people should build websites for their visitors, not for bots. Bots don't buy things online. *wink* Thanks for letting me share a little info here. Very gracious of you to let me get on my soapbox here, since it's your forum. If even one person goes and reads Google's terms as a result, then it's a good thing. : ) Linda

Dear Linda, Thanks for being specific. I really appreciate that. I know this information is available elsewhere. I would be so bold as to say you have said it before. Yet as you say, many are uneducated. That is what I am sure you are here to alleviate, so am I. I welcome your input and experience. I guess I am not doing too bad. You said I was right twice. Cheers For Linda,

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