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Peter Fogel

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Human Shields In Gaza
1/12/2009 12:07:04 AM

Hello Friends,

I received this today from "Dry Bones" and thought it important to share it with you.



Here is Hamas "Member of Parliament" Fathi Hammad, bragging about the Hamas use of human shields.Translation by MEMRI. Click on the arrow to play the video.

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Fathi Hammad: "[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

Your thoughts.



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Helen Elias

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza
1/12/2009 5:23:26 AM

Hello Peter and everyone

It just doesn't get sicker than this.

What's so difficult to understand is why the media
wants to ignore the truth, ie., that Hamas was
shooting rockets at Israel for a long time before
Israel made a move, until Israel could ignore it
no longer  ... AND how Hamas is using its people,
shields.  This was also one of Huzzbalah's tactics
in Lebanon and there again the media blamed
Israel when innocents and children were killed
and did not fully report on Huzbollah's tactics.
Spelling may be wrong but you know what it sa

Israel bows to world pressure, which she did not
need to do, by the way,  and hands over Gaza to
the Palestinians causing much pain to her own
peoples living there.  And what do the Palestinians
do with this piece of land?  Instead of developing
it and making a home there for their people, they
use it to shoot rockets at Israel. 

I have been running into an unusual amount of
anti-Jewish racist types who try to convert me to
the anti-Jewish 'cause' while trying to convince me 
that the Jews are to blame for this, that and the
other thing and that they are more evil and
corrupt than others and so on, IN SPITE OF
evidence in the Middle East it is the other way
around.  Brigitte Gabriel, neither a Jew nor a
Palestinian, gives an interesting speech on what
is going on in the Middle East.  She worked as a
Journalist in Israel and the Middle East giving her
a bigger picture than what most others would see.

Here's Brigitte's website:
On the blue menu on the left of the page, click on
"Watch Video, Brigitte Gabriel's  Interview".  It
takes a while to download so please be patient. It's
very interesting as are her other videos.

Now back to my previous train of thought.....

That does not mean there are not individuals in
Israel's police force and/or army who are mean
and corrupt and who commit atrocities just as we
have in our own police and military from time to
time but generally Israel and its forces have been
long-suffering with the Palestinians and its other

There are about 1 million Arabs living in Israel. You
don't see them leaving Israel in droves.  If  Israel
was mistreating or torturing them would they not
wanting to get out of Israel?     On the contrary,
Palestinians, in particular, are applying for jobs
and trying to get into Israel by the thousands.  If
Israel opened the borders to the Palestinians, there
might be noone living in Gaza and the Palestinian
occupied lands except the terrorists.

What does that tell you about Israel?  Would the
Arabs and Palestinians want to be living in Israel,
if Israel was such an ogre?

The truth is the Palestinians would be prospering
if their leaders weren't spending all the money they
get, on ammunition and arms and also probably
socking much of it away in private bank accounts
like Yasser Arafat did. 

People should investigate what God has to say
about the Jews and Israel before they speak against

This is what the Bible has to say.....

In Isaiah 41:8-11, God says this about Israel....
8:  But you, Israel, are My servant, Jacob whom
I have chosen, the descendants of Abraham, My
9:  You whom I have taken from the ends of the
earth, and called from its farthest regions, and I
said to you, 'You are My servant, I have chosen
you and have not cast you away:
10:  Fear not, for I am with you;  Be not dismayed,
for I am your God.  I will strengthen you, Yes, I will
help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right
Now pay special attention to the next verse....
11:  Behold, all those who were incensed
against you shall be ashamed and disgraced;
they shall be as nothing, and
those who strive
with you shall perish.
(Emphasis mine)

And listen to this...  Psalm 122:6-9 says ....
Ps 122:6  Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: may
they prosper who love you.
7:  Peace be within your walls, prosperity within
your palaces.
8:  For the sake of my brethern and companions,
I will now say, "Peace be within you."
9:  Because of the house of the Lord our God I
will seek your good.

If you see the Jews prosper it is because God
promised them prosperity.  It is pre-ordained,
if you will.   Is it Israel's fault that they have
this favor in God's eyes? 

The Bible talks about prosperity for those who
love Jerusalem .."
..may they prosper who love
it says in Ps 122:6

If you read your Bible, you will find more about
this.  Do you want to be found to have favor with
God?  Then love the Jews, Israel and Jerusalem.
If you want God to save you, accept Jesus as
God, as the Messiah.  If that is difficult for anyone
then talk to God about it.  Ask Him what the truth
is.  Surely, the only thing we all want is the truth.
If you want it, God will reveal the truth to you.

God bless you all

Helen Elias
PS...Since my last name is a Biblical one,  some of you may be
wondering if I am Jewish.  I am not but I would be fine with it
if I were.
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Re: Human Shields In Gaza
1/12/2009 6:11:38 AM

Hello again

There's another video where it shows how the
people gather on the roof
of a terrorist's house
to be a human shield to save him and his house. 

does that tell you about Israel?   First,
consider if it were the other way around;
the Palestinians let that stop them from bombing
a roof full of Israelis including children? 
Hamas and the Palestinians know that Israel will

not bomb them.  Doesn't that say it's not Israel
who is the bad guy here?

Here's the video (1 minute) of that scenerio.....

Helen Elias
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Peter Fogel

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza
1/17/2009 6:52:11 AM

Hi Helen,

Thanks for visiting and your comments.

Here's an interesting video I found on atlas Shrugs. It is short only 6 minutes but explains well the root cause of the Gaza conflict. It's worth watching in its entirety.

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John Partington

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Re: Human Shields In Gaza
1/17/2009 7:35:33 AM

Hi Peter,

My own personal view is that there will never be any peace between the Arabs and Israel, the only solution would be to move all the Arabs and Israelis out of the area and then nuke it to make it totally useless for any race to live there.


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