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Re: OUR HIVE TEAM
4/29/2008 11:39:54 PM
That's more like it. We need a place to post our opinions on things and not be afraid of being called names or met with opposition and having things brought up from the past.

As far as bogus profiles, I'm more concerned with the ones that are setting up profiles with mal intent than people who have set them up to make instructional videos or because they couldn't find their account info and didn't know how to request it. Bogdan knows about this and he didn't have a problem with it. But the ones I'm concerned about are people who are sending out nigerian scam letters or trying to get Americans to ship things to them in other countries or stealing identities.  I've run into that here too.

My main gripe  isn't the people who were given potw, it's the rule that isn't fair. Going by number of posts isn't a good way to judge a person's activity or friendliness. I know a lot of people who have high post counts that I wouldn't introduce to my worse enemy. And I would never nominate them to potw.

I think the criteria should be how they're comminicating and not just how much.

I understand why Anthony Hostings was nominated and got past the "rule". That was a special case and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the rule itself. I think the rule is silly and shouldn't be a criteria for the nominations.
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Re: OUR HIVE TEAM
4/30/2008 12:30:30 AM

hello team...what a great team it is..I have my ad into Kevin and is placed on his hive page..thank you Kevin...I have been surffing the new hive traffice exchange ...it is looking good and new members joining everyday..any suggestions would be helpful....good work Becky....I see Lee was nominated for POTW...we will work on that and see what we can do....I see Sue is promoting the Hive video I made for the hive..she has contacts in the music industry...we could be famous

Carla and Geketa radio show is doing good...keep up the good work..

I know all are just buzzing around here and there..it all counts..and will add up in the future.

and that is our goal...to have big funds for investing into a good money maker long term....I am so excited to see all the creativity happening here...and the excitement showed my the members.

as normal...if I can do anything let me know

my Yahoo ID is...blue505light

my skype ID is ...blue505light

thank you for your hard work...Larry

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Re: OUR HIVE TEAM
4/30/2008 12:56:30 AM
Hello Friends,

I do agree with much that was written here and I won't quote each and every one of your comments on this subject but I would like to clarify a few points and issues.

When the present team took over the POTW forums I asked what the criteria was in addition to what was written in the general outline. The numbers of a minimum of 350 posts and an active forum was the answer i received.

I believe the reasons for the criteria are obvious since a member that has 50, 100 posts can't have been very active in the community. That is the basic key, activity and participation in the Adland community.

On the other hand having 1000s of posts doesn't automatically qualify members for the POTW either. Recently a member was nominated that has many posts and his nomination wasn't accepted for the simple reason that all his posts were ads and posted to the advertising forums without giving an option to reply. So we come back again to being an active member and participating in community activities.

Becky, you mention Anthony Hosking and you are so right. Anthony was my mistake and having seen him around a lot in the period prior to you people nominating him I failed to check his stats and I accept the total blame for that mistake (imagine the uproar hivers if we would not have accepted his nomination). As you all know only a fool doesn't learn from his/her mistakes and I learned my lesson.

Multiple accounts are an issue that I personally have a major problem with. When they are used for advertising purposes we don't even know about them but in the cases when they are used in order to manipulate results of polls I take a personal affront to that and whether you admit it or not it has been done by people you were once close to. I also believe that you didn't use your 3 accounts in this manner. But others did and in a massive way.

There is one thing I must state here in a personal manner. Lee Smiths nomination wasn't disqualified this time for personal reasons and I hope that's obvious. I  ertainly hope to see her as a candidate in the near future. I follow many forums and can see that lately she has been participating in a few in addition to the Hive forum.

Posts are one of the ways we can measure a members participation (one of the major ways) in Adland. The one and a half liner that some posters are famous for are ridiculous as are the multiple posts of the same graphic in thread after thread are meaningless other then to raise the post number of that member and for that reason only. I have never been able to understand the logic but for that but to each his own.

If you have another way to measure a members participation in the community please let us know what it is and we'll consider adding them on as a criteria too.

All the best & Shalom,

Peter
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Re: OUR HIVE TEAM
4/30/2008 1:46:02 AM
Thank you Peter. Diplomacy is always necessary when dealing with a lot of people such as you do with the POTW and I certainly understand that and agree that you have to do things in a way that works for everyone.

I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity. Even though this is called "ADland Pro"
this part of Adland is a community and it's the community spirit that makes it the great place it is. But there are some who give it a bad name by abusing it and it's those who do this that I have a problem with. Most of us who have forums give members a place to post ads but there's always a flock of people who want to post nothing but ads and never read the forum posts and that's one of the things that is making people leave adland pro community. That's one of the reasons that forums are being moderated so that we can monitor what content comes in and delete ads placed innappropriately. We set up forums for discussion and to be interractive and there's very little activity other than ads being posted.

For this reason I think the rule for posts being a criteria for the potw is a bad rule and should be changed to require the posts to be of good quality no matter how many or how few they are. There are a lot of good people who deserve consideration for this honor. And it IS an honor no matter what some may believe.

Community activity should be measured NOT by the number of posts, but by their helpfullness and willingness to do good in the community. I believe that if they have friends who believe in them enough to nominate them they should be considered no matter how little they have posted. A reasonable number of quality posts should be more worthwhile than a large number of meaningless ones.

I wouldn't use the number of friends they have either as a lot of people add friends just so they can spam them and never even look at their profiles.

I think that it's good that we're discussing this and not tearing anyone down or putting them in a bad spot. That's not anyone's intention I'm sure. We just feel that sometimes things need to be changed for the good of the community.

It's fairly easy to go to a person's profile and see how many ads they're posting and what type of forums they're running. Or if they have nothing at all and not even a picture. Are they taking the time to utilize  the resources that are in their hand or are they just here to advertise and spam people? I think THAT is what should be construed as activity within the community, and not how many posts a person makes.

Becky


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Re: OUR HIVE TEAM
4/30/2008 2:45:22 AM

Hello Becky,

You can't in the end get away from the number of posts as a major criteria for Visibility and Activity within the community. How else will you measure it?As I said in the POTW nomination forum there were nominees that had  thousands of posts but they were all ads, They were disqualified cos they contributed nothing to the community.

We will try and reword the criteria while leaving the basics there but in such a way that there will be no question about who is eligible and who isn't.

Shalom,

Peter

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